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Let's Converse about HUNTING............

havoc

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I've never hunted. I've never felt the urge or thought I would get any satisfaction from it. By no means am I an animal rights activist, in fact, I partake in eating animals six - eight times a day and have done that for about 15 years now on a consistent basis(chickens mainly).

I feel if you can confront an animal and defeat the beast with your hands and skills then that is something to be proud of (for survival purposes). However, using a gun from a distance to kill an animal is by no means a lack of skill, but maybe more of a lack of integrity and displays coward ness to a degree.
Hypothetical: You're out on a deer excursion, you spot your target, why not attempt to take it down without a gun/bow/weapon? Why not truly test those manly, "I have dominion over all animals" outlook on the innocent, "they are overpopulated and need my tough hunting ass to lower their numbers" deer that you like because maybe it has some decent growth on the head so you can use it as some backwoods decor that shows nothing except you really can't handle an animal without the use of a gun and your taste in wall decorations is pretty suspect.

You know you can practice your shooting skills in other ways. Let me guess, you like the thrill of the hunt, the outdoors, being in touch with nature, why not give it a go without the weaponry. I believe capturing a deer or whatever creature you seek with only your hands and skills would be much more respectful. And the ones that don’t fall into the “able to be captured” category get to guess what……”live”.

I guess my problem is this: I'm not into someone having an advantage or cheating. In this case, the weapon is the advantage and cheating.
Killing does not bother me; it's the unfair playing field.

On another note, I'd like to hunt hunters and seriously wish that it was legal.
I have no intentions to kill, just maybe some unconsciousness and defecating on their face(s).

I'm luckily deep in nature almost 3 - 4 times a week and see/hear/read about hunting trips, pictures of the trips, the so called "rewards" of the trips. Next time, why not try it with just your strength and athleticism, you have that right? This is a fitness board so you must be in tune with that to a degree I'm assuming.

Now by no means is my argument perfect. I’m sure some hunting is necessary, but most is not; perhaps it’s the unnecessary hunting that gets under my skin. Also, you may ask “how about you try to catch a certain animal with your so called skills”. Well, first, that’s not my thing, secondly, if it had to be done I’m sure if anyone could do it I could, I’m quite the physical specimen, but let’s not focus on that.

My travels have taken me through some beautiful terrain, but some of the travels/friends/articles/internet/tv tend to divert my attention to the unnecessary killing of innocent animals that are just enjoying their day……..and then tough guy hunter chooses to end a life because it makes them feel like an accomplishment of some sort has just occurred. Way to phucking go!!!
 
killing a freaking animal 2 thousand miles away with a gun with a can't miss scope doesn't take much skill. now if you go hand to hand combat with a full grown bear and kill it then you have my respect.
 
im not really sure what the big deal is with hunting i have only been once and it was Moose hunting but i think it is stupid to go hunting for deer or birds. I think hunting is about the thrill of the hunt when you hunt something worthy not a pussy deer
 
Isnt that kindof the ''sportsmen's lie'' ???

People who feel they're in tune with the earth because they hunt, fish, and spend time in the woods. In reality they drive a 9mpg truck (with no catylitic converter), dump their used motor oil in the backyard, burn their trash, destroy the land with quads and dirtbikes... etc etc...

edit: I dont care either way, but I dont hunt
 
I like to hunt for scum in the city. I take my guns, I take several but my favorite and first choice is an in between between a pistol and a rifle, its possible to shoot with one hand , if you have a strong arm and know what you´re getting. It kicks like a mule. It´s got a smooth bend, not a corner, like an old pirates gun. It´s steel and I make it shine.

You hit the no-go area and shoot anyone that´s alone, you don´t recognise, and looks like they aren´t attending church every sunday. Nobody who matters, cares.
 
i dont understand it. its cheaper and easier to just buy shit at the grocery store but i guess you dont get that weird male bonding like on the lease.
 
While hunting one year I had some of the same thoughts. I put down my rifle and jumped on the back of a 32 point buck. I then wrastled it to the ground before slitting its throat. I then drank its blood and ate its heart raw. I felt much better afterwards, since I was no longer a cowardly hunter.

Next time you want a chicken dinner, go out and find some wild chickens, chase them around and kill one or two. Why buy them from the store, use your athleticism to catch and kill your meat. I have hunted chickens in the mid west and Africa. Those buggers are hard to catch. You gotta be fast.
 
fistfullofsteel said:
killing a freaking animal 2 thousand miles away with a gun with a can't miss scope doesn't take much skill. now if you go hand to hand combat with a full grown bear and kill it then you have my respect.

Agree, it would also be nice to watch someone actually try this.
 
hmm im a hunter. i enjoy being out in nature. Im a bow hunter and im not trailor trash by any means. I make one deer last me all year in meat. It cuts down on cost for food and i love deer jerkey. soooo. ok thats all ;)
 
Believe it or not, I used to deer hunt every single season, even using a bow just to get a one month head start on gun hunters.

I can tell you it is no sport. I only saw that after I gave it up. You are sitting up in a tree or worse.. a fucking cover all blind. Wearing fox urine to cover your scent. camo to break up your silouette. illegal bait to lure them closer because your Lasik needing eyes can't see far. A scope to really insure accuracy on a weapon that would be better for use in sniping enemy troops hidden inside a tank. Running hollow point bullets so that on the off chance you like, miss and hit a flank, they will expand enough to severe an artery in the neck region or something.

It ain't no sport.
 
Come to the South or Florida and hunt man ..

Woods so thick you are lucky to have 1.5 seconds to see a deer/hog aim and shoot
it before it takes off dodging and disappears into the trees and palmettos.

They will likely smell you or hear your from 200 yards away anyhow and move away.

True Hunting isn't as easy as some make it for the most part.
True, some places you do shoot across open range at animals standing still.
But this is fairly rare from my experience and others.

It can be a challenge and worth the effort and sadly most times you come out of the woods empty handed unless you are Skilled/Lucky or doing something Illegal.
 
My dad worked Heavy and Highway Construction for years in PA. In the wintertime, there was no work. Our family lived off fish and game meat that he provided by hunting and fishing. Fuck you and your lofty "I am better than a hunter" idealism. It is quite unbecoming and leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Who cares if it is sport to you or not? Next time you eat beef, go butcher it. Want a ham? Go to the farm, hit it between the eyes with a sledge, scald and scrape the hair off it and hang the meat in a smoke house.
 
How can it be cheating? From a biological standpoint, it means we have become more adapted to our environment. We no longer need to use our bare hands. Our intelligence has enabled us to go beyond the limitations of our rather horrible stregth to size ratio and kill an animal by the smallest amount of energy needed. Nature is lazy
 
Thanks you for saying "converse" instead of "conversate"!!!
 
The way I look at it,
Sure, I have a gun and higher or broader mental abilities than say a deer.

But, to even it out

can I smell a deer from 200 yards away ?
can I run 30 mph dodging trees ?
can I jump 8 ft off the ground ?
can I see clearly in near pitch dark ?
can I hear the slightest sound ?
do I know the territory so well because I spend 24/7/365 there ?
 
Delinquent said:
How can it be cheating? From a biological standpoint, it means we have become more adapted to our environment. We no longer need to use our bare hands. Our intelligence has enabled us to go beyond the limitations of our rather horrible stregth to size ratio and kill an animal by the smallest amount of energy needed. Nature is lazy



Yep, nature is very lazy. Let the hydrogen bombs fly. We smart like that.
 
it only becomes a sport once the deer have guns too.

otherwise it is just "hunting".
 
redguru said:
My dad worked Heavy and Highway Construction for years in PA. In the wintertime, there was no work. Our family lived off fish and game meat that he provided by hunting and fishing. Fuck you and your lofty "I am better than a hunter" idealism. It is quite unbecoming and leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Who cares if it is sport to you or not? Next time you eat beef, go butcher it. Want a ham? Go to the farm, hit it between the eyes with a sledge, scald and scrape the hair off it and hang the meat in a smoke house.

I dunno, I'm the type that would love that winter lifestyle your dad provided. Wild meat from hunting all the time? mmmmmmmm. Talk about appreciate for food.
 
dog will hunt leatherface
 
LOL Havoc, I am sure you get a sense of accomplishment from sneaking up on the meat aisle and snatching up some pre-packaged chicken, with your bare hands, who never even saw you coming.

But why use the internet to get out your message about hunters? Being able to reach millions with a few keystrokes and clicks of the mouse is certainly as much of an advantage as using a gun.
Instead, do it the old fashioned way. Grab a pencil and paper and send everyone a letter. That would be much more of a test, and would even the playing field for those who don't have internet access but have a message to get out.

Now I am off to plan out my next slaughter of poor innocent animals out to enjoy their day with my a combination AK-57 uzzie radar lasar triple barrel double scoped heat-seakin shotgun.
 
yeah i'm a deer hunter how do you do

i got this deer huntin rappin tale for you
i'm so excited, it's my favorite time of year
i love to freeze my buns chasin trophy deer
but don't clap your hands to the stompin of the feet
cause ya he's like me he can't keep a steady beat no

i got this great big knife cause the hunting is my life
it's my chance to drink beer and get away from the wife
it's the boys night out acting stupidly

say now baby baby don't you think maybe how bout you and me yeah
well we partied all night never made it to our bunks and
i was sittin in the tree stand on the tree dead drunk
windmill blowin 45, temp thirty below, i was freezin to death, then it started to snow
so i got down from the tree stand start headin for the truck
and thats when i seen it there, the turdy point buck
the turdy point buck?
turdy point buck (5x)

well he was eight foot tall, weighed twelve thousand pounds, with every step there was a shakin' on the ground
he was so rutiful so beautiful
strutted right out of my dreams, he was created by God just for outdoor magazines
now i'm not much for thinkin, no i don't do it often
but i had an idea
to put that turdy pointer in his coffin

turdy point buck
hh
turdy point buck

i couldn't get to my grenades
the howitzer was in the shop
my stomache was tied into a monkey knot
ya my only hope was betty lou
she was da one
a combination AK-57 uzzie radar lasar triple barrel double scoped heat-seakin shotgun

turdy point buck
hh
turdy point buck
turdy point buck

ya dat the women clappin' the the back dere i gotta make dat

well he was comin for me gettin bigger and bigger but my fingers were so frozen i could not pull the trigger
i kicked off my boots fired with my big toe
i was Dirty Harry, John Wayne, and G.I. Joe

ya dat turday point buck was only 10 feet away
ya still i couldn't seem to hit him and he wouldn't run away
and after 20 minutes when the smoke cleared
there were hunters on the ground and the world's biggest deer
standing tall and proud, he looked at me and yawned (ohhhhhhh dear)
and then a flash of white, and there he was, gone

[cryin and burpin]

well seven men got up and then one fell down
a big lump of blaze orange, shakin on the ground
at first i thought he was one of the boys
but it was a no brother good in law man from illinois

only cheese-heads in here, right boys?
send him back on the next plane ya know

Did ya see the turdy pointer?
Did ya see the turdy pointer?
Did ya see the turdy pointer?
Did ya see the turdy pointer?

as we jumped into da truck
sayin i'm gonna get that turdy point buck
yeah i'm gonna get that turdy point buck
 
fistfullofsteel said:
typical hunter = a gut, bald, beard and drives a shitty pick up truck. can you say trailer trash? http://www.possibilityfarm.com/photogallery/pheasant team hunters.jpg

Hey fuck head do you have any idea what you are even talking about. I would love to see your slob ass even attempt to understand anything about the sport. The picture you included is probably some blue collar guy who was with his daughter on one of his only days off for the year. Does that make this guy trailer trash? I hate pricks like you.

Whatever happened to the saying "To each his own"? Oh, I know people as ignorant as you came along and decided to insert useless statements about something they know nothing about.

To clear things up for you, yes I am a hunter. I probably make ten times what you make, live in a larger house, have a hotter wife and have the general understanding that an individuals idea of fun is none of my business.

I hope nobody questions you about your favorite things to do. I don't think we could all take listening to you talk about your fetish for farm animals. That's really what this is all about isn't it? You don't want us hunters cutting into your dating pool. Sorry prick that is just the way it has to be.
 
yourmomgoestocollege said:
Hey fuck head do you have any idea what you are even talking about. I would love to see your slob ass even attempt to understand anything about the sport. The picture you included is probably some blue collar guy who was with his daughter on one of his only days off for the year. Does that make this guy trailer trash? I hate pricks like you.

Whatever happened to the saying "To each his own"? Oh, I know people as ignorant as you came along and decided to insert useless statements about something they know nothing about.

To clear things up for you, yes I am a hunter. I probably make ten times what you make, live in a larger house, have a hotter wife and have the general understanding that an individuals idea of fun is none of my business.

I hope nobody questions you about your favorite things to do. I don't think we could all take listening to you talk about your fetish for farm animals. That's really what this is all about isn't it? You don't want us hunters cutting into your dating pool. Sorry prick that is just the way it has to be.



allow me to get in an apache chopper and start blasting at animals with a gatling gun and somebody come along and say, "to each his own."

awwww, you don't likes me. what will I do now. somebody needs a time out.
 
fistfullofsteel said:
allow me to get in an apache chopper and start blasting at animals with a gatling gun and somebody come along and say, "to each his own."

awwww, you don't likes me. what will I do now. somebody needs a time out.

Your average hunter wants to conserve the meat and hide, trophy. They aren't murdering savages out for the kill as you seem to be portraying.
 
havoc said:
I've never hunted. I've never felt the urge or thought I would get any satisfaction from it. By no means am I an animal rights activist, in fact, I partake in eating animals six - eight times a day and have done that for about 15 years now on a consistent basis(chickens mainly).

I feel if you can confront an animal and defeat the beast with your hands and skills then that is something to be proud of (for survival purposes). However, using a gun from a distance to kill an animal is by no means a lack of skill, but maybe more of a lack of integrity and displays coward ness to a degree.
Hypothetical: You're out on a deer excursion, you spot your target, why not attempt to take it down without a gun/bow/weapon? Why not truly test those manly, "I have dominion over all animals" outlook on the innocent, "they are overpopulated and need my tough hunting ass to lower their numbers" deer that you like because maybe it has some decent growth on the head so you can use it as some backwoods decor that shows nothing except you really can't handle an animal without the use of a gun and your taste in wall decorations is pretty suspect.

You know you can practice your shooting skills in other ways. Let me guess, you like the thrill of the hunt, the outdoors, being in touch with nature, why not give it a go without the weaponry. I believe capturing a deer or whatever creature you seek with only your hands and skills would be much more respectful. And the ones that don’t fall into the “able to be captured” category get to guess what……”live”.

I guess my problem is this: I'm not into someone having an advantage or cheating. In this case, the weapon is the advantage and cheating.
Killing does not bother me; it's the unfair playing field.

On another note, I'd like to hunt hunters and seriously wish that it was legal.
I have no intentions to kill, just maybe some unconsciousness and defecating on their face(s).

I'm luckily deep in nature almost 3 - 4 times a week and see/hear/read about hunting trips, pictures of the trips, the so called "rewards" of the trips. Next time, why not try it with just your strength and athleticism, you have that right? This is a fitness board so you must be in tune with that to a degree I'm assuming.

Now by no means is my argument perfect. I’m sure some hunting is necessary, but most is not; perhaps it’s the unnecessary hunting that gets under my skin. Also, you may ask “how about you try to catch a certain animal with your so called skills”. Well, first, that’s not my thing, secondly, if it had to be done I’m sure if anyone could do it I could, I’m quite the physical specimen, but let’s not focus on that.

My travels have taken me through some beautiful terrain, but some of the travels/friends/articles/internet/tv tend to divert my attention to the unnecessary killing of innocent animals that are just enjoying their day……..and then tough guy hunter chooses to end a life because it makes them feel like an accomplishment of some sort has just occurred. Way to phucking go!!!


Why has it got to be about skill? Why not just kill the animal in a way that causes a minimum amount of distress to it and then eat it?

We eat meat for a healthy survival, just kill the animal quickly and eat it. There should be nothing more to it. No bullshit 'look what i've done', i've just killed a huge animal. Who cares if you use a gun or use bare hands, just do it, don't brag about it and for fuck sake think how you'd feel if you were the animal and get the job done quickly.
 
redguru said:
Your average hunter wants to conserve the meat and hide, trophy. They aren't murdering savages out for the kill as you seem to be portraying.


didn't know there was an average hunter. sort of like your average school yard bully.
 
jd_uk said:
Why has it got to be about skill? Why not just kill the animal in a way that causes a minimum amount of distress to it and then eat it?

We eat meat for a healthy survival, just kill the animal quickly and eat it. There should be nothing more to it. No bullshit 'look what i've done', i've just killed a huge animal. Who cares if you use a gun or use bare hands, just do it, don't brag about it and for fuck sake think how you'd feel if you were the animal and get the job done quickly.

I doubt that any way a hunter kills an animal is nearly as bad (from the animal's point of view) as getting killed and eaten on the spot by a bear or mountain lion, which would have been that animal's eventual fate anyway.
 
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