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mattcanning99

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just wondering what you guys think about legalising marijuana...the way i see it, is that alcohol causes more damage, and would cause more damage even if weed was legal...i dont smoke marijuana...but i do see the benefits of marijuana for aids wasting patients, as well as other diseases...i think it would be much easier for doctors to administer prescriptions to people if it was not for all the societal issues of marijuana being illegal
 
mattcanning99 said:
just wondering what you guys think about legalising marijuana...the way i see it, is that alcohol causes more damage, and would cause more damage even if weed was legal...i dont smoke marijuana...but i do see the benefits of marijuana for aids wasting patients, as well as other diseases...i think it would be much easier for doctors to administer prescriptions to people if it was not for all the societal issues of marijuana being illegal

Actually I live in California where Medicinal Marijuana is legal.
 
You should remember, mj is still ILLEGAL, I know you'll cite the med-pot laws passed in Cali but Federal law still outlaws it. That means the feds can still arrest you and so can the local cops if they choose to. Oregon had a problem with that-the DEA decided to go along with the locals checking the med-pot gardens plant counts, making sure they were under the guidelines. After they went to all the gardens the DEA (being federal) went back and busted everyone. So watch out.
 
DBC,

I guarantee the DEA is not going to kick in your door in California if you are using medicinal marijuana under guidelines. They are minly after people that grow/sell for the purpose of distribution on the black market. My aunt has had AIDS for 12 years (HIV was found in her in the late 70's before they knew what it was) and without marijuana she may not have made it this far. It allows here to eat regular meal and takes away the nausia from the meds she takes.
 
They might not be kicking doors in for joints, but they are taking down the growers who grow just for the med clinics, which in turn hurts the people that do actually need it.
 
"I guarantee the DEA is not going to kick in your door in California if you are using medicinal marijuana under guidelines. They are minly after people that grow/sell for the purpose of distribution on the black market. My aunt has had AIDS for 12 years (HIV was found in her in the late 70's before they knew what it was) and without marijuana she may not have made it this far. It allows here to eat regular meal and takes away the nausia from the meds she takes."

NOT TRUE!!! I live in Northern California and John Ashcroft and the "justice department" just showed California who's who. They busted the guy in Oakland, California who was growing it for the City of Oakland's medical marijuana program. He was operating under license from the City of Oakland, Ca. to do so and was completely operating in the open. During the trial, the jury was never allowed to know that he was growing Medical Marijuana and the judge narrowly restricted the discussion to "he was growing marijuana." They were also not allowed to hear anything about the medical marijuana program, etc. that might tip them off as to the purpose of the marijuana. It seems that the Feds were quite intent on "making the point." And they certainly succeeded as the jury convicted him of violating Federal Law. After the trial, when members of the jury found out what he was growing it for, they were very angry and many said that they would never have convicted him if they had known this. They felt betrayed by the system. He is now serving a prison sentance for this and the medical marijuana program for the City of Oakland is shut down. This just happened in the last couple of months in case no one read it in the so called "mainstream media."

Under the Clinton administration and democratic attorney general Janet Reno, the Feds choose to look the other way on this issue. But once the fascist republicans took control, that policy was immediately reversed. Seems like they agree with states rights only as long as the state goes along with the way THEY think the world should be. As soon as a state does something different like medical marijuana or assisted suicide (Oregon) then it is immediately to direct Federal control. Personally, I don't see why ANYONE should be put in prison at tax payers expense for smoking a joint. I totally agree with Oregon in that they didn't make it legal but "decriminalized it" which means it is a misdemeanor offense punishable by a modest fine. How does putting a person in prison for growing medical marijuana or putting a person in prison for something as minor as smoking a joint make society a safer place? How exactly do they pose a threat so serious to society that they must be separated from society by imprisonment. Somehow this thinking makes me feel a whole lot LESS safe, personally even though I don't even smoke pot but it does carry over to all kinds of other issues. The only issue I can see is "driving under the influence" of any substance that can impair your ability to drive, which California motor vehicle codes already address.

As for medical marijuana, the Justice Department and RepublicaNazi John Ashcroft have made it PERFECTLY clear that it is against Federal law (which, in fact, it is) and that they WILL prosecute and show the rest of us who's who! What is particularly sad is that they stupidly claim that there is a prescription drug, i.e. Marinol which supposedly takes the "active ingredient" for marijuana that makes it effective for treating nausea induced by chemotherapy, etc. Problem that they forget to tell you is that it is VERY hard for a person to hold down an orally administered "pill" when they are having projectile vomiting from heavy duty chemotherapy. And to make it worse, they have to hold it down for something like two hours for it to be effective. Like GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! That is completely retarded!!!! Smoking a joint completely by- passes the issues of having to swallow and hold down a pill in the patient's stomach. It also starts taking effect within ten minutes as it crosses directly from the lungs into the blood where it exerts its effect thus giving very rapid relief to the patient instead of having to suffer addtional hours before getting some relief, provided you can even hold it in long enough. Seems like a no brainer to me but then again, I have come to realize that there are a lot of republican supporters on here which seems weird considering the RepublicaNazi stand on this and many other in your face "personal" issues that should not be any of their business like using many of the supplements that guys/women talk about for bodybuilding in quantities for personal use. The fascist answer to everything seems to put you in jail. So that is why I use such a harsh term. As long as they are going to behave like fascists, I will continue to refer to them as such. I don't see much hope in things changing for the better as long as people keep electing these assholes to power either.
 
I should also point out that there have also been several other recent incidences in the last several months of people in Northern California arrested and convictied of using or growing "personal use" medical marijuana under city or local programs. The Feds actually broke down the door and arrested an MS patient and her husband in the Sacramento area for growing/possessing "personal use" quantities of marijuana for her own personal treatment. She wasn't even distributing. This has now happened several times to different people between the "foothills" and the San Francisco Bay Area. So if you don't think the DEA is going to bust down your door or your Aunt's door on this one, you better think again! They are already doing it and are planning on continuing to do it. So beware!!!
 
pot rules with or without aids =)

I have a prescription and as far as I know, the burden of proof is no longer on me to prove that Im using it for medical purposes - its on the proscecution. All I have to do is show doubt that i was using it for medical purposes and the case is dismissed.
 
That was Ed Rosenthal from the 'Ask Ed' feature in High Times, he also has several books out. The jury wasn't allowed to know of his license from the county to grow since it was a federal court and federal law is over local laws.
 
"That was Ed Rosenthal from the 'Ask Ed' feature in High Times, he also has several books out. The jury wasn't allowed to know of his license from the county to grow since it was a federal court and federal law is over local laws."

It was also because John Ashcroft's "Justice" Department was out to fry anyone involved in medical marijuana and make the BIG point. they succeeded. And anyone thinks that the burden is on the feds because they have a "legal" scrip better think again. There is NO such thing as a "legal" prescription for medical marijuana under Federal Law and that is exactly who will prosecute you. They will NOT dismiss the case because your doctor wrote you a presciption. Plain and simple. That IS the LAW. The state is now out of it legally and won't prosectue because California state law allows it. Federal law, however, pre-empts state law and ANY use of marijuana including medical is still against FEDERAL LAW. Which means they will just prosectute you in Federal Court instead of State Court and put you in Federal Prison instead of State Prison. So much for states' rights. The fascist republicans only give lip service until the individual state does something they disagree with and then the foot comes down and they'll show you whose in charge!!!!!!!
 
The local laws is what matters neways because most pot cases under a certain amount go to state/local courts. For the growers, hey if Bush is arresting sick people for smoking pot while theres a war to fight........ theres a problem.
 
"The local laws is what matters neways because most pot cases under a certain amount go to state/local courts. For the growers, hey if Bush is arresting sick people for smoking pot while theres a war to fight........ theres a problem."

Medical marijuana is NOT against State law in states that have passed laws to authorize the growing, use and possession of medical marijuana. Accordingly, in California, which has a medical marijuana law, the local and state courts have NO juridiction on the issue (medical marijuana but they do on non medical uses) once it is shown to comply with the requirements of these laws by having a valid scrip it will be thrown out. That is why in the State of California it is HIGHLY IMPROBABLE that the State's DEMOCRATIC Attorney General would even consider prosecuting such a case. After an initial investigation shows that you have a valid prescription and are otherwise in compliance with the State and local laws here it would just simply be thrown out.

HOWEVER, that being said, it doesn't matter at all right now that the State/local laws in California allow medical marijuana because Federal Law over-rides State/local law AND the Bush administration and his Gestapo of a Lieutenant, John Ashcroft, have made "medical marijuana" one of the priorities right along with putting an end to Oregon's assisted suicide law for the terminally ill at this point in time. So much for the concept of States' Rights!!! They prosecute their cases right in Federal Court which ABSOLUTELY DOES have jurisdiction. So they could care less about your scrip from an MD. In fact it won't even be allowed in the arguments for your defense because the reason for your possession is completely irrelavant to Federal law. It CAN NOT even be considered as a "mitigating circumstance" when determining your punishment under Federal sentencing guidelines. Marijuana, by the way, is a Federal Schedule I drug meaning that it has NO valid or legitimate medical use and therefore CAN NOT be prescribed for ANY reason by a physician. So by definition and in accordance with Federal law, a scrip is INVALID PERIOD, end of discussion. The Judge and Jury will never even know anything other than the fact that you were in possession of marijuana against Federal law and you WILL be convicted without question if the Feds choose to prosecute you. Accordingly, no mention of medical marijuana will even be allowed into court records. And the fact that this administration IS putting sick people i.e. users in jail right along with the growers and is aggressively pursuing it right now speaks to the fact that there IS a problem. And that problem is all of the fascist in your face right wing religious republicaNAZIs that are trying to legislate their christian fundimentalist morality, force it down the throats of EVERYONE ELSE and control all aspects of YOUR personal life to save you from your misguided self. And they are doing it to you under the full force of the LAW!!

And I have heard Justice Department Attorneys AND officials actually say that Marinol is available and approved by FDA and, therefore, by definition IS SAFE AND EFFECTIVE for nausea control, if prescribed properly in accordance with the law and accepted medical practice. So that is the ONLY choice--use it or tough shit!!! And they don't care if you can't hold it down in your stomach long enough to get ANY benefit from it because you are having projectile vomitting from chemotherapy or HIV medications!!! They also don't care that by smoking marijuana for controlling nausea bypasses the obvious problem pathway as it goes directly into your blood from inhaling it into your lungs instead of swallowing it and sending it through your digestive system. They also don't care that the effect of inhaling it as smoke provides almost INSTANT relief and that swallowing it requires something like TWO HOURS in your digestive tract before it even starts to take effect, that is IF you can even hold it down THAT long. IT DOES NOT MATTER TO THEM. That is a fact!!! THEY DO NOT CARE. They are sworn to uphold the law, no matter how egregious or misguided. They did not legislate it, they just ENFORCE IT. Just like the HIV retro virus, which invades and takes over the key portions of the host cell, the right wing christian fundimentalist republicaNAZIs have invaded and completely taken over the controlling components of the machinery of the government and are using it to THEIR christian fundimentalist moral fascist ends.

And yeah, I have a BIG problem with the government legislating morality (last place I want to hear morality from is from a fucking politician!) and controlling people's personal lives. It was also the republicaNAZIs that made AAS schedule III and removed them from the auspices of the FDA and put them directly under the control of the DEA AND criminalized (which means a prison sentence is affixed, possible and LIKELY) their use, possesion, etc. without valid medical reason and prescription.

It was also the republicaNAZIs that in putting AAS as schedule III also put the heat on physicians so that most are afraid to prescribe them even for valid medical cause or if they do, they may not be willing to prescribe a sufficient amount to adequately treat the diagnosed and qualifying condition. FEW PHYSICIANS are likely to want to loose their DEA prescription license for controlled substances (which also includes schedule II, etc.) AND risk Federal Prison for ANY reason. The incredible nightmarish hassles of an investigation alone would make it not worth the risk, frankly.

And it was the Bush administration, in their fight against assisted suicide for the terminally ill, that removed the commonly prescribed medications and made them Federal Schedule I and in so doing, also deprived people with narcolepsy and certain sleeping disorders from the MOST effective medications available to help them with their specific sleep disorders. These things can NO LONGER be prescribed as Schedule I, by definition has NO valid medical use. Period!!! Thank you John Ashcroft!!! SIEG HEIL!!!

It was a republicaNAZI administration, some may remember, that prosecuted and imprisoned Walter Jekot, MD of Los Angeles for improperly "importing" AAS in order to study their effects on AIDS patients, early on in the HIV epidemic, with serious wasting issues--he received five years in Federal Prison for that. He made the "dangerous" observation that guys that used steroids like recreational bodybuilders typically did better than people that did not. The difference was STRIKING. So he tried to set up a medical study but also realized that some of the foreign steroids were better than those available in the U.S. That was his mistake!!! And it was his "importing" of the drugs for the study that got him nailed as he did not follow correct FDA and DEA administrative paperwork protocal in order to accomplish this legally although he did this out in the open. See what NOT HAVING YOUR PAPERS IN ORDER can do to you with the fascist republicaNAZIS?

Their answer to everything under the sun that they don't agree with seems to be HARSH prison sentences to force compliance OR ELSE!!! And you can thank all the assholes on here that voted and still vote for republicaNAZI assholes. I just hope that one day while sitting in prison for growing for personal use, or using or possessing medical marijuana or possession of AAS without a valid scrip and a qualifying medical condition, etc., some of the assholes that voted for the republicaNAZIs finally make the connection of how the republicaNAZIs improved THEIR quality of life while they rot for years in Federal Prison!!!!!!!!
 
damn NorCalBuilder, you are one pissed off d00d hehe..... war getting to you? Or just a fundamental hate for Bushs administration?
 
"damn NorCalBuilder, you are one pissed off d00d hehe..... war getting to you? Or just a fundamental hate for Bushs administration?"

Hatred for Bush in particular and Bush's administration in general is the UNDERSTATEMENT of the year. Bush's obsession with Sadaam Hussein and the war is just one more obnoxious chain of events with this administration to add to the list. I intensely dislike what the republicans over the course of the last twenty years have become as well. I am opposed to any group that feels that the government should be directly involved in anyone's personal life. Frankly, even though I don't use it, I don't see any reason why marijuana shouldn't be fully legalized and not just for medicinal reasons. But as long as the republicans are in power, THAT will never happen.

And remember it was the republicans that openly discussed on the floor of the House some years ago placing all HIV positive people into "internment camps" exactly like Cuba used to do (funny, the republicans HATE everything about Cuba except putting people in "internment camps"--the NAZIs had these "tendencies" too by the way) even when it was made clear by epidemiologists that it would not make any sense for "quarantine" purposes as it was long past when that MIGHT have worked. And having failed THAT, they then began the "names reporting" that is pervasive throughout much of the U.S. to this date at the instigation of the republican Senator from Oklahoma, the MD but once again, I will with hold the name of the guilty party. And in case you didn't know it, names reporting is the requirement in MOST states (they did this state by state and are still trying to get California and Oregon as well as a few other holdouts on board) that anyone that tests positive on an HIV test (you probably didn't know that "anonymous testing" in most states really isn't because they have a system in place, because of the names reporting requirement to affix your name to the test, and of course, because of names reporting are not required to inform you of this) or anyone that is receiving treatment for HIV or anyone that a physician is aware is HIV positive even if they are not receiving treatment is required to turn the name, social security number, address, employment information, etc. into a "central data collection" center, usually the repective state's Department of Health Services. This can then be accessed and used by the Federal (not just CDC) government for tracking purposes. It also does not require that anyone inform you that you have been reported. So why would anyone REALLY need this detail and level of information?...........so they seem pretty fascist to me in case you didn't already pick up on that. I am every bit as opposed to them as I am opposed to Communists. Like I said, I oppose any group that advocates direct and intrusive government control over peoples' private lives.

You should also be aware that some of the really big hitters behind the scenes with republican party, I will withold the names here but in particular they live in Orange County, California, and happen to own several of the companies that make most of the voting machines in the United States advocates the death penalty for gays and lesbians and imposing "biblical law" in the U.S. They are not the only ones that feel that way. So I don't know if you have any gay/lesbian friends or know anyone that is HIV positive but these folks are VERY clear in what they would like done with THOSE problems............So, yeah, that kind of thinking on the part of the republicans DOES make me crazy. There are already WAY too many parallels with how Hitler started out and Bush is going to make me comfortable. If you would like to read a good article on that very issue, check out my post under "sound familiar?" It wasn't just the German Foreign minister that happened to notice the "similarities" in tactics between the Bush administration and the NAZIs. Definitely something to think about.
 
Last year there was this weed-advocate who was a former and fairly recent baller for the Dallas Cowboys who appeared on the "O'Reilly Factor." The eponymous named show of Bill O'Reilly. I don't remember his name, he's caucasian and had long black hair tied into a pony-tail. He looked like a former lineman.

He made an idiotic comment when he said that weed isn't addicting. The fuck it ain't! Maybe not as physically addicting as heroin, but nevertheless addicting. I smoke weed in cycles of 3-6 weeks, and getting off of it is tough, real tough. And despite 2-3 months of clean time, I always revert back to another smoke cycle. I'm a classic binge user.

That Dallas Cowboy was full of shit, and just as bad was O'Reilly's failure to insert umbrage into the discussion at that moment, he instead let it fly over his head and didn't have the sense to object. And that's because O'Reilly is ignorant on the subject and has never been a user.

I use weed, and I can enjoy it, but towards the end of a smoke cycle I am totally burnt out on it and powerless to it's ways and means. Not to mention that it turns my life and personality upside down. You here me bitch and lament? I also can enjoy it, but one toke or joint is just never enough.

Though I ain't one of these idiots who sports a tattoo of a marijuana leaf on my back, or who wears a marijuana leaf belt-buckle around town while listening to reggae through the headphones. I ain't carrying no torch for no one, man, I could care less about any referendums related to a marijuana agenda. As George Carlin once said, "Live and let live, and kill all of those who think otherwise!"
 
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