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Legal question about products for "research usage"

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I see many sites these days openly selling products such as
liquid clomid, liquidex, liquid femara, liquid cialis, as well as anastrozole powder, clomid powder, cialis powder all for "research purposes". They have full disclaimers freeing them of any liability and clearly state that said products are for research usage only and not for human usage. My question is whether or not selling products like these (whether in liquid or powder form) is legal since it is sold for research purposes only? There would be no difference between selling it in liquid or powder form? Is there a certain quantity it must stay under to remain legal or something? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
good question. i think it is illegal to possess them if you are not donig any research on them. bump for someone who knows about this
 
In Rick Collins' book, Legal Muscle, he has a little write up on liquidex, he said, simply putting "For Research Purposes Only", doesn't make it legal.
I know I seen a couple sites in the US, which sell raw chemical powers for research only to businesses, educations and labs, so there must be a way to do it legally.
I'm trying to find out, because I'm interested in selling these liquids as well, but it's hard to find any information.
 
Maybe you need documentation about the research purposes it's intended for. Seems to easy to just say it's for research and get away with it. Maybe laboratories and universities can do it because they do legitimate research.

Good question bro.
 
From what i understand about the law, you can aquire pretty much anything as long as you have a research liscence, thats how it is up here anyway.
dunno about the states, but some i dont think "this is for research puposes only, and in buying this product we assume that you have a research liscence." I dont think the law is that stupid and ignorant that bussiness men assume that the person on the other end does have a liscence. You can assume anything, with chemicals, but I'm no lawyer thats just my take on it.
 
Surgical said:
Maybe you need documentation about the research purposes it's intended for. Seems to easy to just say it's for research and get away with it. Maybe laboratories and universities can do it because they do legitimate research.

Good question bro.
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Yeah, probably need something like that.
I emailed one company, and gave my business name, but they never responded.
 
here you go boys

strait from the man him self animal.,


believe it would be called the hobby chemistry law and anything you find at fisher or sigma or the like can be used by the HOBBY chemist however they like. If it is a business, the same laws applying to the big boys as in sale to other hobby chemists would apply.

I guess my boy Rick don't know everything, does he! There a few things he told me which were wrong and I think he still don't believe I'm not in jail, but fact is I was right and knew the law and knew they couldn't do shit all along.

That being said, Liquidex had some lawyers look into stuff as well, but it appears he may be having some 'trouble possibly related to operation headupsmokingass' as his no respond to email and even his autoreply no work for last 2 weeks at least and others have asked me that as well.

As I told him, it really don't matter WHAT you find or lawyers believe the law to say because some fedthug is gonna wake up one day and try to fuck you.

Even so, the research law can be thought of most easily in terms of yohimbine. Yohimbine is NOT a script until it is put into higher than 2.9mg tab/cap. At that point it would be illegal to sell if you capped it at 10mg or whatever, but if you don't put it into such a division, the responsibility then falls onto the end user and what they do with it.

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exactly. any old person can fool around with chemistry in their basement. there's no law against it and it's basically honor system.

Now if you say there and dropped some liquidex into some OJ and drank it righ in front of a police officer, I don't know that that would be illegal either. But I wouldn't do it.
 
In order to obtain many of these chemicals... you must be a business... the FDA requires many of these companies to perform checking to make sure you are a corporation... I mean, you could incorporate...

Take DNP for example... if you had your own research company, you could order kilos and kilos of it from a chemical company... because, in power/crystal form, it is just that... a research chemical... it is when you start making it viable for human consumption (cutting it with corn starch or sugar and capping it) that it becomes "illegal".

there is some monitoring to this system... if you guy 200lbs of something... don't expect it to go unnoticed....

C-ditty
 
I am incorporated, but still didn't get a reply, guess it's because "bodybuilding" is in the name, lol. Oh well.
 
Who would be at fault then if someone got caught with one of these chemicals, ie a vial of liquidex but it was clearly marked for research use only and not for human use? The buyer for not being licensed to possess said compound or the seller or neither since there has been no human use proven? Wouldn't it only be the buyer could be incriminated if there was more evidence to prove human usage of the product? I know RK for one claims that everything they sell is legal and I know they have an attorney and such so whats the deal? Anyone?
 
Mike DiMaggio and I intended to fully research and present the definitive "last word" on this topic, and Mike did some of the research. But Mike got sidetracked with bar studies and I have too many bro's with emergency legal problems to divert the necessary time at this moment. To do it right requires fully researching the statutes, regs and cases, as well as corresponding with all the relevant agencies for their policies and perspectives (which are, occasionally, inconsistent with the law!). I won't be able to get to it for a bit. If any of the other lawyer-bro's here have a bit of time now, PM me.
 
Well, seeing as nobody else has stepped up to the plate.... :bawling: ... I'm gonna move this to the front burner.

Bump it once a week as a reminder to me.:jackbox:
 
Rick:

I thought it was interesting and a good topic. But with Mike back in the office after the bar, I assumed you guys were going to work on it.

RW
 
But I think the issue here is what exactly qualifies as research purposes. Granted the aforementioned drugs are approved for human consumption, and shall not be dispensed without a prescription. With that in mind, the whole point here being that these dealers are endeavoring to circumvent the prescription requirment on the basis that these chemicals are assertedly not being dispensed for human use.

RW
 
Rick Collins said:
Mike DiMaggio and I intended to fully research and present the definitive "last word" on this topic, and Mike did some of the research. But Mike got sidetracked with bar studies and I have too many bro's with emergency legal problems to divert the necessary time at this moment. To do it right requires fully researching the statutes, regs and cases, as well as corresponding with all the relevant agencies for their policies and perspectives (which are, occasionally, inconsistent with the law!). I won't be able to get to it for a bit. If any of the other lawyer-bro's here have a bit of time now, PM me.
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O/T. Thanks for everything bro. Just got off the horn with you from the Keystone State.
 
ROID WARRIOR said:
But I think the issue here is what exactly qualifies as research purposes. Granted the aforementioned drugs are approved for human consumption, and shall not be dispensed without a prescription. With that in mind, the whole point here being that these dealers are endeavoring to circumvent the prescription requirment on the basis that these chemicals are assertedly not being dispensed for human use.

RW
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on a similar note, but different tangent, a lot of these guys sell liquid cialis for research purposes.


What is the deal with cialis distribution and possession/use as it is not yet an fda approved med.
 
I would venture to say that if the facts and circumstances can establish that it is being sold for human consumption, that these sellers are violating the FDCM for distributing an unapproved drug.

RW
 
ROID WARRIOR said:
I would venture to say that if the facts and circumstances can establish that it is being sold for human consumption, that these sellers are violating the FDCM for distributing an unapproved drug.

RW
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If it officially has not been approved as a drug, then how can they charge you with distributing a drug? Most of the Research Chems ARE approved(exept IGF-1) though.
 
I know, I know. (I wish there were more hours in a day.) Many bro's have a lot of interest in this topic, and, as promised, I'll give my opinions on it. After speaking with Citruscide, I think the best way to present the information is in question and answer form, like an interview. He has knowledge in this area too, and will be quite suitable to frame the questions properly. I'll answer as many questions as appropriate to cover the topic. We'll post it as soon as it's done, which should be within three weeks.

BTW, thanks again for all the terrific feedback I've gotten on LEGAL MUSCLE!
 
"I know, I know. (I wish there were more hours in a day.)"


It sounds as though CMG needs a young attorney who's into bodybuilding to help out. Maybe handling smaller cases, researching, writing, running errands, going to see the Postal Inspectors to claim some seized porperty, taking a client from court to probation and back to the in-patient rehab center in a snow storm. Things like that. I know an all-around good guy who would be interested.
 
I am really interested in the answer to this question too especially how it relates to IGF and the legalities of posessing/buying.

Bump this up ^^^^^
 
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