Legal Cutting Agents

[NFG123]

So now that I have stacks of ECA (before they were banned) stored around, what do you suggest to supplement fat loss? (sold OTC supplements). Usnic Acid, if legal, is intriguing, but hepatotoxicity is a concern.

What's the good word?

 

[SacStateHornet]

I would be intereste din knowing this a well. Looking to drop a few pounds before summer.

 

[NFG123]

I would be intereste din knowing this a well. Looking to drop a few pounds before summer.

That makes 2 of us.

 

[pong21]

T-rex from the AF Store is all you need.

 

[Stryc-9]

I don't imagine you will need anything beyond E/C, regular exercise and a clean diet. Don't go anywhere near usnic acid!!

 

[sawastea]

I don't imagine you will need anything beyond E/C, regular exercise and a clean diet. Don't go anywhere near usnic acid!!

You could also add some nicotine, synephrine and EGCG if you want to supress your appetite, while benefiting from the antioxidant properties of green tea

As Stryc-9 mentioned, unless you're comfortable and know what UA/SU does, stay away.

 

[6_pak]

I agree that all you need is the ECA or ECY(yohimbine) and a clean, consistant diet.

 

[steig]

Has anyone tried ALRI chizeled? And what is the info on UA/SU?

 

[javaguru]

Alcar and green tea are two favorites of mine.

 

[Stryc-9]

Usnic acid has a similar mechanism as DNP....I think what it does is uncouple ATP synthesis in brown adipose tissue - the by-product being HEAT, HEAT, and um, more HEAT.

Like DNP, too much of this in the wrongs hands (i.e., morons who subscribe to the theory that "if a small amount works, a larger amount must work better") will quite literally COOK you from the inside out (i.e., you will die). Play safe!

 

[NFG123]

Usnic acid has a similar mechanism as DNP....I think what it does is uncouple ATP synthesis in brown adipose tissue - the by-product being HEAT, HEAT, and um, more HEAT.

Like DNP, too much of this in the wrongs hands (i.e., morons who subscribe to the theory that "if a small amount works, a larger amount must work better") will quite literally COOK you from the inside out (i.e., you will die). Play safe!

Yeah, Usnate is an ATP uncoupler, like DNP. I am not sure why there are more reported cases of hepatoxicity, or why people think it is worse than DNP. I would have to guess that (I have only found a few cases in the literature of fulminant liver failure, and a case in 2004 was the first reported case of one linked directly to pure usnate) ... The amt of people who used usnate since it was legal and OTC versus DNP is huge ... My guess is this is simply a reporting bias. It's like this: tylenol causes far more deaths per year due to liver failure than 17-aa ... would you say its "harder" on the liver? Nope, its reporting bias.

NFG

 

[anthrax]

uncoupler of oxidative phosphorylation

 

[SPORT SCIENTIST]

I have the folowing formulae going into development and testing (doseages based on highly effective clinical trials, that proposed optimal doseages) :

1. THERMOBLAST (TO BE TAKEN 3X PER DAY FOR OPTIMUM DOSEAGE)

HCA (Garnicia carbinogia derived hydroxycitric acid) (1556mg standardized to 60% HCA, providing (936mg)
HCSX (Hydroxycitric acid) – (of the SUPER CITRIMAX variety) (1556mg standardized to 60% HCA, providing (936mg)

NBC (Niacin bound chromium) 1.33mg

CITRUS AURANTIUM 325mg

CAFFEINE 176mg

GREEN TEA EXTRACT 300mg
(of active epigallocatchin gallate)

YOHIMBINE (standardization varies between 25-75% 10mg (of active yohimbine alkaloid)
NANGARIN 100mg (after standardization)

GYMNEMA SYLVESTRE
(standardized to 75% gymnema acid) 50mg (providing 33mg gymnema acid)

White willow (standardized to 75% salacin)
(Providing 40mg salacin after standardization)

IODINE 100 IU

SELENIUM

APHANIZOMENON FLOS-AQUAE (AFA) Standardised to contain appropriate amounts of 2-phenylethylamine (PEA) 10mg PEA

L-TYROSINE 1000mg

L-Phenylalanine 1000mg

VITAMIN B6 30mg

- I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT IF YOU ADD THE VERY SAFE, CHOLESTEROL LOWERING, L-DOPAMINE/BRAIN PROTECTING DRUG SELEGELINE (3X 3.33mg)
TO THIS YOURSELVES IT WOULD MAKE THE PEA INCREDIBLY POTENT; AS BRAIN AUTOPSIES OF PARKINSONS PATIENTS (WHO USE IT FOR ENHANCING COGNITIVE FUNCVTION) HAVE SHOWN INCREASED CONCENTRATIONS OF PEA (AS A RESULT OF DEPRYNL SELEGELINE ADMINISTRATION) BY UP TO 3500%!

2. KETO-SLIM (for optimum doseage drink twice a day)


WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE 15g

CALCIUM CASSEINATE 15g

BIOPERINE 10mg

CHRONDROITIN SULPHATE (depolarized version) 600mg

GLUCOSAMINE SULPHATE 750mg

L-CARNITE L-TARTRATE 1g

BETA-ECDYSTERONE (20-HYDROXYECDYSONE) 40mg

CALCIUM D-GLUCARATE (GLUCARIC ACID/CALCIUM GLUCARATE/D-GLUCO 1-4 LACTATE) 200mg

DIINDOLYMETHANE (DIM) 200mg (50mg pure DIM)

PROBIOTICS Each serving to contain more than 1 billion bacteria

RHODIOLA ROSEA 150mg

ALPHA GPC (GLYCEROLPHOSPHORYCHOLINE) 200mg

PHOSPHOTYDL SULPHATE (PS) 400mg

Nac (N-ACYTL-CYSTEINE) 500mg

Magnesium 363mg

Zinc 7.5mg

AMINOGEN (proteolytic enzyme) 250mg

OKG 5g

FIBRE (ARABINOGALACTAN)- soluble prebiotic fibre 5.0g

FIBRE (GUAR GUM) Cyamopsis tetragonolobus 2.5g

VITAMINS AND MINERALS (see centrum) 50% RDA

GUGGALIPID/GUGGLESTERONE (type E&Z from the Commiphora Mukul plant) 38mg (after standardization)

7-KETO DHEA 100mg

5HTP (Hydroxytryptophan) 300mg

COLEUS FORSKOLI (standardized to 20% forskolin)
150mg (30mg forskolin)

CLA (10 cis- 12 trans isomer) 3g

MCTs 10g

TRIBULUS TERRESTRIS (30-45% steroidal saponins- furostanol)
750mg

MILK THISTLE (STANDARDISED TO 80% SILYMARIN)
250mg

GRAPE SEED EXTRACT (standardized to a procyanidolic value of greater than 95% or 95% polyphenols per dose.)
50mg (after standardization)

CHRYSIN 500mg

VITAMIN C 500mg

HORNY GOATS WEED (EPIMEDIUM) (alcohol extract containing icariin)
250mg

VITAMIN E (alpha tocopherol form) 200IU

TRIBASIC SODIUM PHOSPHATE 2g

CYSTIDINE DIPHOSPHATE CHOLINE (CDP) 400mg

MUCUNA PRURIENS (containing 15% L-Dopa) – inc. GH? (AKA Couhage, Cowhage, Cowitch, Kiwach) 700mg

GLUTAMINE 5g

320 CALS/SERVING –
APPROXIMATELY 56% PROTEIN
- 20g WHEY 80cals
15g CALCIUM CASEINATE 60 cals
5g OKG 20 cals
L-GLUTAMINE 5g

9% CARBS
5g ARABINOGALACTAN soluble prebiotic

fibre
20 cals

2.5g GUAR GUM Cyamopsis tetragonolobus
- Hydrocolloid fibre
10 cals

(both non impact carbs)
34% FAT
3g CLA 27 cals
10g MCTs 83 cals

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Thermorexin

ephedrine + caffeine