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I think prop, primo and tren with an oral is a better choice bro... I like winstrol in there for 8 weeks at 50 mg day... you don't need npp in this cycle... I love the low dose of test you have in there... nice research there... you don't list any ancillaries or pct though... you need aromasin and caber... also i would run n2guard with tren... it really helps with it... hcgenerate es on cycle and a strong pct...
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Well I like the combo you have. I'd switch the primo out for mast p but it's up to you. Tren and npp go together like peanut butter and jelly. Running nandrolones side by side is by far IMO one of the best stacks there are. You have to be very careful and control that estrogen or your prolactin will sky rocket and cause Ed in a hurry. I also highly recommend n2guard to control the tren sides. I agree with Dylan on the pct and adding in the winny, but I'd leave the npp in. That stack will add some nice lean mass, and make hard as a rock.
I agree with Dylan with this. I would leave NPP out. Some people can get away with it, but running two nandrolones can lead to a lot of problems with people
rustilldown
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2 nandrolones together isn't as big of an issue as many make it out to be. Especially with such a low dose of test there will be hardly any aromatizing going on. Npp and tren go together very very well. Just control the estrogen. That's all you need to do. I think the key to a successful and fun cycle is finding the correct synergy. For me, my next go is actually going to be similar.
Test p 25mgs/day
Tren ace 37.5mgs/day
Mast p 50 Mgs/day
Npp 50mgs/ day
Just pay attention to your body.
Test p 25mgs/day
Tren ace 37.5mgs/day
Mast p 50 Mgs/day
Npp 50mgs/ day
Just pay attention to your body.
its not that you can't run two nandrolones together, i just don't think its necessary here... let primo really shine on the cycle... add winstrol to this cycle instead of npp and its the ultimate hardening and muscle building cycle...
I am just throwing some ideas together, I am very OCD about things I like everything to be laid and planned out perfectly. Don't worry, I know all about cycle support. I'd definitely be running caber, and will have an AI on hand. I'd also be running a combo of n2guard, lipid stabil, and liv-52.
So the general consensus is to either drop the npp or to drop the primo. My main goal is to increase my LBM as much as possible while keeping fat to a minimum.. very unique goal i know. Not really too concerned with compounds like masteron at the moment.. but could defenetely see some winny in there.
So how about one of these for a layout.
1-8 Test Prop 50 mg/eod - 200 mg/week
1-8 Tren Ace 100 mg/eod - 400 mg/week
1-8 NPP 100 mg/eod - 400 mg/week
or
1-8 Test Prop 50 mg/eod - 200 mg/week
1-8 Tren Ace 100 mg/eod - 400 mg/week
1-8 Primo 150 mg/eod - 600 mg/week
5-9 Winstrol 80 mg/day
So the general consensus is to either drop the npp or to drop the primo. My main goal is to increase my LBM as much as possible while keeping fat to a minimum.. very unique goal i know. Not really too concerned with compounds like masteron at the moment.. but could defenetely see some winny in there.
So how about one of these for a layout.
1-8 Test Prop 50 mg/eod - 200 mg/week
1-8 Tren Ace 100 mg/eod - 400 mg/week
1-8 NPP 100 mg/eod - 400 mg/week
or
1-8 Test Prop 50 mg/eod - 200 mg/week
1-8 Tren Ace 100 mg/eod - 400 mg/week
1-8 Primo 150 mg/eod - 600 mg/week
5-9 Winstrol 80 mg/day
Bane1985
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I like your cycle with test prop , tren , NPP and winny ..but I feel 8 weeks is a lil short !! I think 10 weeks would be better. Even though they are short esters it will still take about 14 to 18 days to kick in fully. So that really only gives you 5 1/2 to 6 weeks to take advantage of your cycle . And I think 50mg of winny should be enough. And I would run the winny for 6 weeks
Bane1985
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For lean bulk, I would choose option 2. It's more constructive for your goal of adding lean mass and keeping fat gain to a minimum.
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UA_Iron
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I personally would drop NPP, I'm not a fan of the Nandrolone flavor of steroids and the way they make me feel. Also, NPP and tren together wouldn't exactly make me look "lean"
Your weekly dosages are off.
1-8 Test Prop 50 mg/eod - 200 mg/week (175mg/week)
1-8 Primo 150 mg/eod - 600 mg/week (525mg/week)
1-8 Tren Ace 100 mg/eod - 400 mg/week (350mg/week)
1-8 NPP 100 mg/eod - 400 mg/week (350mg/week)
EOD injections = 3.5 shots/week for math purposes.
Some masteron would go well in this cycle... If it were me I'd extend it out to 10-12 weeks, run test E and mast E to reduce injection volume, and keep the tren ace and primo the same. I'd end the cycle with an oral staggered out past two weeks my last long ester shot.
Granted there's nothing wrong with your cycle - I've just found that I like doing the above quite a bit.
Your weekly dosages are off.
1-8 Test Prop 50 mg/eod - 200 mg/week (175mg/week)
1-8 Primo 150 mg/eod - 600 mg/week (525mg/week)
1-8 Tren Ace 100 mg/eod - 400 mg/week (350mg/week)
1-8 NPP 100 mg/eod - 400 mg/week (350mg/week)
EOD injections = 3.5 shots/week for math purposes.
Some masteron would go well in this cycle... If it were me I'd extend it out to 10-12 weeks, run test E and mast E to reduce injection volume, and keep the tren ace and primo the same. I'd end the cycle with an oral staggered out past two weeks my last long ester shot.
Granted there's nothing wrong with your cycle - I've just found that I like doing the above quite a bit.
I was going with the math that eod injections would be 4 injections per week... whether is 3.5 or 4 not a huge deal. With the 8 week cycle, I was taking into the consideration the myostatin levels and how cycles tend to stall out shortly after the 8 week mark.. thus using the shorter esters to get the most out of it. If I were to go at least 10 weeks then I would switch to longer esters like test e and tren e. I am terrified of needles, so the less shots per week the better.
1-10 Test E 250 mg/week
1-10 Tren E 400 mg/week
1-10 Primo 600 mg/week
7-12 Winstrol 80 mg/day
Thanks for the advice!
1-10 Test E 250 mg/week
1-10 Tren E 400 mg/week
1-10 Primo 600 mg/week
7-12 Winstrol 80 mg/day
Thanks for the advice!
I like this... I like primo ran a bit longer but this cycle looks very nice bro... doses all look great as well...
I agree with Dylan I'd make it longer to take advantage if the long esters. I'd go at least 12 weeks on this. As long as your running your cycle supports you will be fine.
So what is the reasoning for extending the cycle longer? Is myostatin levels and LBM plateauing after the 8 week mark more of an unproven theory? If so, then I'd look to run primo for 16-20 weeks with tren on the end. This cycle is still a few months down the line so have plenty of time to work out the kinks.
That 8 week theory is bs IMO. I haven't stopped using juice for over 2 years straight and I'm still making gains on a regular basis. Granted I blast and cruise but I make gains long after 8 weeks on blasts. Every compound does have a point where gains start plateauing unless you up the dose. But it certainly isn't 8 weeks, well for me at least.
I'd run a low dose of test like 2-300 mg max. Primo can have a negative effect on libido when it's ran solo,the test will keep you rocking and rolling in the bedroom.
The myostatin theory is on the initial run... So say you start out with an 8 week run, then the myostatin theory kicks in but if you cruise after that, then it levels off and once you begin your cruise then you are level and can run the longer cycles... It is based on an initial run...
I can tell you this... I just ran a 20 week cycle and made gains the entire time... That was definitely due to the primo and eq combo as well as the extreme amount of hard work and disciplined diet...
El Hefe
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An unproven theory?
Well, there's been a consensus among many vets for years that cycles would stall out somewhere around week 8. Although they weren't all in agreement as to why. Then, a study was published that explained what many already knew and had experienced.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19356623/
This info has also been accepted and stickied on some AAS forums.
Ledhead recently brought this info to EF and talks extensively about it in his Ledhead Unleashed thread.
This doesn't mean that everyone will respond identically and stall out on day 56. But it's a pretty good guideline.
The entire thing is just confusing I think. So if you are bulking and on cycle, even though you are eating above maintenance calories, you will stop gaining muscle after a certain time? Shouldn't that be true if you are off cycle then? From my experience, I have noticed a plateau around the 8-10 week mark.. and I have ran both short cycles with things like prop and tren, and longer ones with deca and EQ. So it makes all the sense in the world to me. But there is also more to running cycles then just building muscle. I think you could run a longer cycle with Primo or EQ, and even after the LBM gains start to stall.. you can still make strength gains. And the steroids will also help maintain LBM while you are cutting, so body recomp is still possible. Good thing this cycle is a little bit down the road.. think I have a good base for what to run but still needs to workout all the kinks! Everything has to be perfect!
El Hefe
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Good luck with everything being perfect.
I believe the myostatin issue is real and not theory. But that doesn't mean that one cannot improve bf%, increase strength and solidify gains after the 8 week mark.
For longer cycles, I would prefer something like a 28 week BNC:
8 Blast
12 Cruise
8 Blast
Then PCT and spend the rest of the year off.
I believe the myostatin issue is real and not theory. But that doesn't mean that one cannot improve bf%, increase strength and solidify gains after the 8 week mark.
For longer cycles, I would prefer something like a 28 week BNC:
8 Blast
12 Cruise
8 Blast
Then PCT and spend the rest of the year off.
Myostatin is very real, but nothing is set in stone. Longer cycles still have merit, but you will generally get diminished returns after 8-10 weeks. That's why I go surplus for the first 8-10 weeks of a cycle then go for a cut the remainder of it and keep the dosages the same. Works great for me. And long esters are fine. They may take longer to peak but you can still have a good 8 weeks at peak levels before myostatin gets too high so it all evens out. Just run it a little longer
good thing I still have a lot of time to think this through and plan out.. there's a lot to take into consideration. Don't really want to go the route of staying on for a long time.. but also want to get more than 8 weeks out of a cycle.. maybe something like this..
1-10 Test E 250 mg/week
1-10 Tren E 400 mg/week
1-10 Primo 600 mg/week
7-12 Winstrol 80 mg/day
11-20 Test E 250 mg/week
11-20 GW-50 20 mg/day
21-30 Test E 250 mg/week
21-30 Primo 800 mg/week
27-32 Winstrol 80 mg/week
and then a very thorough PCT
1-10 Test E 250 mg/week
1-10 Tren E 400 mg/week
1-10 Primo 600 mg/week
7-12 Winstrol 80 mg/day
11-20 Test E 250 mg/week
11-20 GW-50 20 mg/day
21-30 Test E 250 mg/week
21-30 Primo 800 mg/week
27-32 Winstrol 80 mg/week
and then a very thorough PCT
HcGenerate ES is going to give you more of a libido boost than any other product you can take... It will also keep your suppression to a minimum and allow a smoother transition into pct for a more optimal recovery... Recovery and health is of the most importance...
One thing I can already see is your worst enemy is that you are overthinking far too much... Its a wonderful thing to plan and look at all your options but when you over think, you make mistakes... You are going to get differing opinions on all the questions you are asking... The myostatin issue is a real thing but it does not mean there are not gains to be made after that point... It will vary from person to person as well as what you are running, etc... You are going to have to do a little trial and error to see how YOU respond... I can tell you from firsthand experience that I continued to get gains all the way to the 20 week mark with primo and eq... They are very clean and gradual but they are there...
I'm in the middle of designing a revolutionary product that blocks Myostatin. I been reading a lot of Dr. Mengele's excerpts on genetics, and discovered some exciting ideas. Now, all I need is someone to volunteer to be a test monkey to see if the product works
Oh, I like your blast and cruise protocol, that's how you do it!!
I'm in the middle of designing a revolutionary product that blocks Myostatin. I been reading a lot of Dr. Mengele's excerpts on genetics, and discovered some exciting ideas. Now, all I need is someone to volunteer to be a test monkey to see if the product works
Oh, I like your blast and cruise protocol, that's how you do it!!
I know myostatin inhibitors have been around forever, and have been pretty much been proven worthless but I'm assuming you are talking about something very different than that. At any rate, I'm very interested in this.
Yes, I been studying genes for a while. In reality, Myostatin is just a muscle regulator or a gene regulator; it prohibits muscles from getting to big. In relation to muscle building, Myostatin is synonymous with homeostasis.
People who have a mutation in both copies of the MSTN gene have rather large muscle whether they train or not. Through my studies thus far, I would say that the majority of pro bodybuilders have a mutation in both copies of the MTSN gene, that's why they excel fast in the sport, or get over that hurdle that is so hard to leap to become a pro. And of course, their muscle receptors are more responsive to drugs than the average persons'.
With Myostatin eliminated, there will indeed be a rapid increase and an enhancement of hypertrophy, which is ideal for building muscle. Akt, which is a kinase that causes muscle hypertrophy in conjunction with protein synthesis will not be hindered, which is ideal to making new tissue. Also, cycles will not crash within 8 weeks, which means LBM gains will continue past week 8, but I don't know how long LBM gains would continue (I'm still researching).
There are a few things I found that "might" work to block myostatin but I'm not quite certain about them yet, so I won't disclose any info at the moment, but I will get in touch with you as soon as I'm sure about it..
For now, I would suggest for people who just cycle and don't blast and cruise to save their more anabolic roids for like weeks 7 or 8; especially tren becuase that will smash myostatin and extend the cycle for 3 or 4 more weeks.
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