le chatelier's principle with aromatization

[Keep it beefy]

le chatelier's principle and aromatization

what i was thinking is that with this an AS like dbol, test won't arromatize as drastically as it would alone. with higher estrogen levels on the right hand side of the reaction, the reaction would not run (that is, however, until the testosterone/estrogen concentration reached a high enough ratio such that the reaction would then begin to run once again). so, theoretically, with a given amount of dbol, and a given amount of test, you will only get the amount of estrogen that the AS with the higher equilibrium constant would produce...

another interesting point that i thought i might bring up is that with test introduced into a dbol cycle, you'll get less water retention (than a dbol cycle alone) due to the competition between testosterone and estrogen. whereas with test, you have just dbol in your system, and natural test levels decline, leaving you with higher estrogen/test ratios which is what contributes to the bloat. i wouldn't say that it is as much the estrogen that dbol produces as much as teh estrogen/ratio.

just some food for thoughts...

 

[the gringo]

Let me guess -- a chemistry major?

I really didn't follow your reasoning. (Still, I don't have the keq's handy, either.)

Think about it. We talking about men -- who naturally sport more test than estrogen. A cycle of any anabolic that aromatizes simply increases the disparity. Then, according to LeChatelier's Principle, estrogen formation would be favored. The equation would shift rightward.

We could simply add estrogen to prevent the shift, right? But who would want to risk that kind of treatment. I think the better option is to include an anti-aromatase. Something like Arimidex. Estrogen conversion is therefore prohibited. No need to ponder how dbol/test could play out against estrogen. End of story.

 

[BigAndy69]

Le chatelier had an aromatization principle?

 

[Keep it beefy]

le chatelier's principle applies to all reactions

 

[Keep it beefy]

the gringo

not quite... you see, the reaction that form estrogen from dianabol does not necessarily have the same equilibrium constant as the reaction of testosterone aromatizing into estrogen...it appears as though the former is much higher. intuitively, if administering dbol at 25 mgs/day causes a heck of a lot of water bloat, that must mean that it is significantly more prone to aromatization than an equal amount of testosterone. therefore, introducing testosterone to an environment with a high estrogen/test ratio will prohibit aromatization of the exogenous test.

 

[ironbarbarian]

I hate chemistry

 

[the gringo]

I guess you don't grasp my argument -- which obviates any need to discuss equilibrium constants.

In my theory, the conversion to estrogen is prohibited thanks to arimidex, nolva, etc.