Lawsuit Seeks To Ban Sales of Oreo Cookies To Children (California)

[collegiateLifter]

Until there is credible research to show levels of toxicity, what is the relevance? At what point do you stop requiring companies to analyze their products to list "supposed" toxicants? Are we going to require all foods to list dioxins, arsenic, lead, etc.? This analysis requires money and only increases the cost of the end-product and really provides no relevant information to the consumer.




I posted another article by Stephen Malloy who shows that there is little research backing the claims of these shysters. The epidemiological studies show no causation and the in-vitro studies are too specific.

Fat is a macro nutrient. Transfatty acids are hardly different in regards to saturated fat that is already listed. Your line of thinking borders on paranoid extremism given that many foods already list macro breakdowns of saturated, monos and polys; just put how many transfatty acids are in there too.


you do realize how extremely hard it is to show causation for something in this nature, right? It took decades to get credible data against ciggarettes.

 

[p0ink]

BTW Poink why do you have a Crowley quote in your sig?

because:

a. he was a hedonistic philosopher.

and

b. various aspects of the occult interest me, even though it conflicts with some of my religious beliefs.

are you into him?

i just got finished reading The Book of Lies.

 

[p0ink]

collegiate lifter,

do you think it is going to make one god damn bit of difference, if they start listening 'trans fat' on the labels? the idiots stuffing their faces full of this shit are not going to know what the hell it is, or what it does to you.

 

[Frackal]

Absurd


WHEN WILL PEOPLE START TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEMSELVES.

This is obviously a publicity stunt/money grab

As if oreos are a significant factor in obesity

Also, if these people are too stupid to control themselves and they balloon up and die, it will 'thin the herd' so to speak

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

http://www.etherzone.com/2003/sees051403.shtml

 

[collegiateLifter]

collegiate lifter,

do you think it is going to make one god damn bit of difference, if they start listening 'trans fat' on the labels? the idiots stuffing their faces full of this shit are not going to know what the hell it is, or what it does to you.

I personally would like to know how much transfats are in say Jiff peanut butter. The FDA attempted to make it mandatory listing a while ago but the food industry is resisting.

As for the idiots theres not much you can do about them, but i think that people with brains would benefit from knowing what it is they are getting. Like with ephedra, xenadrine had a warning on it not to take it if you had X condition.... of course notable idiots ignore these warnings, but i still think they should exist.

 

[circusgirl]

because:

a. he was a hedonistic philosopher.

and

b. various aspects of the occult interest me, even though it conflicts with some of my religious beliefs.

are you into him?

i just got finished reading The Book of Lies.

Haven't read much of his work. I know a lot of people who practice magick of various types, and have an interest in the occult. Most of what I knew about Crowley is what friends who have read him say about him. He's on my amazon list though, along with a bunch of sports and lifting books that I plan on reading on my next holiday.

Me, although I believe in the occult, prefer not to mess with it. I have no other religious beliefs re the organisation of the hereafter, but I do believe that death is not the end. My secular beliefs are in things like freedom, democracy, justice etc (standard enlightenment era philosophy).

BTW, afaik a belief in the supernatural is not contradictory to mainstream christian beliefs (I am making an assumption here - I am assuming you belong to one of the major christian faiths? Your posts indicate a Christian view of the world). I knew quite a few guys in the Christian Union at my uni and they said that the Catholic Church in particular definitely believes in good and evil spirits, and that other Christian faiths (ie theirs, these guys were "biblical christians" in that they went straight to the bible and didn't really have services as such), did not preculde the existence of spirits, but that the assumptions of what was behind the organisation of spirits etc was different from pagan beliefs (ie god and the devil). I also knew a guy who was a "christian magickian (sp?) who practiced "white magick" ie only things that did good and lifted curses etc.

Crowley, of course, was a full-on pagan not just a spiritualist.

I wish there weren't quite so many teen-piss-off-parents-I'm-a-satanist-Crowley worshipers though! I know waaaay too many of these!

BTW, to remain on-topic, I've recently actually tasted some Oreos as they are now available in certain stores over here. Them and Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. Only one or two at a time, as they are not cheap here! Now I just need to find an Enteman's Cookies store here and I'll be happy, burp!

 

[Raina]

Heaven forbid we take responsibility for our own actions. When people start thinking that we should legislate tasty cookies to protect us from our own temptations, it's just another indication of "it's not my fault" mentality of so many in this country.

 

[atlantabiolab]

Fat is a macro nutrient.

I have worked in the field of food technology, I am well aware of the analyses involved. Are you?

Transfatty acids are hardly different in regards to saturated fat that is already listed. Your line of thinking borders on paranoid extremism given that many foods already list macro breakdowns of saturated, monos and polys; just put how many transfatty acids are in there too.

You are obviously not aware of the science required to analyze for trans-fatty acids. There are numerous trans-fatty isomers and to analyze for them requires standards for verification of the analysis, this costs money and adds extra costs to the end product. And as of yet, it has not been shown to be a causative agent of disease in humans. How do we remove all other factors involved with atherosclerosis to pinpoint trans-fats as disease causing? Not to mention that there are many naturally occuring trans-fats. Which ones are causing problems?

How is my response extremism? You are the one proposing that food companies start listing information that the 99% of the public can't use. For every link that a study can find, should we force private industry to bend to the findings? Are we going to have Ben & Jerry's list the dioxin content of their ice cream? It was found to be several thousand times higher than the EPA acceptable levels, by an independant study. What about acrylamide levels in carbohydrate foods? A Swedish team showed that French Fries have acrylamide (a possible carcinogen)?

you do realize how extremely hard it is to show causation for something in this nature, right? It took decades to get credible data against ciggarettes.

So you propose a level headed idea of listing every possible toxicant? The questions I pose is where does it end and what benefit have you provided?