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jmead

jmead

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So.. finally got a legit source, after gettin ripped off 500 bucks, thanks to a few guys on here.. thanks btw im finally gettin my stuff! .. so stuff is comin in monday-tues.. heres my thoughts

wk 1-14 Test E 250mg EW 125mgx2 mon/thurs
wk 1-13 Eq 400mg EW 200mgx2 mon/thurs
wk 1-4 Dbol/pink thai 30mg ED 5mgx6
wk 1-14 aromasin eod 20mg
wk 1-PCT.. AIFM

wk 16-17 HCG 1500mg EW
wk 18-21 40mg,20mg,20mg nolva
wk 18-21 100mg,50mg,50mg Clomid

test is just a maintenance dose to help with libido..dbol jumpstart to see strength/size gains early.. hope for aifm to keep dbol/test bloat to minimum.. the eq to keep bloat down by the end of the cycle and have keepable gains/striations/veins.. i hope to get about 10-15 pounds of lean mass out of this cycle..increase all my lifts.. and just nice lean mass gains

I have plenty of nolva/aromasin/aifm on hand to squash any estrogen sides..

this will be my 3rd cycle.. though my first 2 were deca only one 300 EW 8 wks one 600 EW 10 weeks.. with crappy pct and no anti e's or progesterone regulators.. i gained about 35 pounds with the 2 cycles.. kept around 28-30

I know these are 3 new compounds which is why im trying to prepare myself properly before i even start..

stats
6'5''
220lbs (long ass legs haha)
9-10% bf

dead- 420
bench- 310
squat- 400

heres what im asking..
1. possible sides that anti e's or SERMS cant handle..
2. if BP gets too high, anything i can take to combat that?
3. PCT look ok?
4. worst possible situation with the 3 new compounds..
5. if no sides occur could i up the eq to 600 mid cycle and be ok?

I'm going to be monitoring my BP daily, and having bloodwork done every 3weeks or so..

mostly i want some "worst case scenario" situations.. and how to combat them..

or just some reassuring words haha
 
fuck bro...looks great...i would go ahead and start the eq at 600mg ew because you are fuckin huge so why not...looks good...for me i start hcg 1 week before and 2 weeks after my last shot of gear...happy growing
 
I agree at your size I would not take less than 600mg of EQ a week, and for your 3rd cycle I wouldnt be fukkin around with 250mg Test, Id up that for sure
 
you guys are reading that my other 2 cycles were deca only right? just dont want you guys thinking ive ran any of this before.. so up to 600.. and say fuck it? haha.. what kind of sides could i expect.. worst possible situation.. dbol/test/eq
 
jmead said:
you guys are reading that my other 2 cycles were deca only right? just dont want you guys thinking ive ran any of this before.. so up to 600.. and say fuck it? haha.. what kind of sides could i expect.. worst possible situation.. dbol/test/eq
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if you didn't get bad sides from your deca only cycle you sure wont from this. id say up the dose.
 
im just kinda concerned about runnin over a gram of AAS.. all new steroids to my body.. i got flamed hardcore on a few other forums for suggesting runnin 500test e 600eq EW 30mg Dbol ED..
 
Okay...one last time.

500mg/wk test (2x250mg/wk).
400-600mg/wk eq.
Dbol...ok.
AIFM/Aromasin

PCT:

Weeks: 14/15 with Hcg
weeks: 16-18 with clomid

AIFM throughout.

Nolva optional.

BMJ
 
haha, bmj is always there to back me! thanks bud.. so u see no problem with the 3 new steroids in my body and those high of dosages? if sides were to occur.. what would they be.. besides estrogen related?
 
mr.nitrofish said:
if you didn't get bad sides from your deca only cycle you sure wont from this. id say up the dose.
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deca is a nandrolone.. how is that so? basically two totally different compounds.. and im gonna be at a gram of new aas.. still think the same nitro?
 
jmead said:
haha, bmj is always there to back me! thanks bud.. so u see no problem with the 3 new steroids in my body and those high of dosages? if sides were to occur.. what would they be.. besides estrogen related?
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You think those are high? Brotha, those are just on the high end of medium dosages..

As mentioned in previous posts, you really start to run into problems with fluctuating blood levels. As long as you keep your blood levels somewhat even, your side effects should be down to a minimum. Estrogen/aromatization is what's going to cause most of your problems and it looks like you've got it covered. If you run the prescribed cycle you are going to be thrilled with the result.. :)


You might notice some bacne or maybe slightly higher blood pressure readings, but that is to be expect with most AAS. I've ran over 2800mg of AAS per week for 10 weeks in my body before and didn't notice too many side effects because I was running an AI.. You should be fine.. Let us know what your final decision is and keep us posted on your results! The more you post, the more accountable you feel, the better your results! Good luck brotha!

T-Matt
 
ya you guys have been real helpful about makin me feel more comfortable about it.. so far out of 3 forums this is the only one that i didnt get flamed on.. and in person no one is approving of running over a gram of new substances.. but i have all the precationary measures taken to combat sides/libido/atrophy/estrogen.. i know these doses arent extreme but them being new steroids kinda scares me.. "500 test e ew first cycle.." bla bla.. i dont want to wait 3 cycles to run this.. haha i dont even plan on running anything else but maybe 1 cutter after this cycle.. im big enough to suit me and my girl.. and the people i get the crazy looks/ accusations from
 
bump. goin to sleep, hopefully to wake up to 10 posts on this topic.. should i do it or not.. lets hear it.. and why
 
You will be fine. If any gyno signs appear, they will be estrous. Unless you are super sensitive, AIFM/aromasin will do very well. If anything, they are probably gonna be overkill if taken together.

Unless you have any pre-existing health problems....liver, kidneys, etc will be fine. Keep water intake high. 4 weeks of Dbol is nothing on the liver. Test/Eq will not effect liver as well.

Put the most into your diet and training and everything will fall into place.

Other sides will vary....acne & hair loss (mainly genetic), aggression, prostate, etc.....

For prostate, an AI+Saw palmetto has helped me a lot. Never had any problems at all, ever.

The only acne I really get is from nandrolones (god knows why) or when I eat like shit (fast foods) on a bulker, or with constant hormonal fluctuations. Take at least 2 showers per day. There are tons of options for this if it occurs.

Hair loss.....haven't lost any....or at least very much that I could really tell....knock-on-wood. Also many options available that can be used if it occurs.

Aggression.....feel more confident, but never ran my head through a car window, charged a vehicle, beat up my GF or parents, etc......Not sure about options, except that if you were beating up your girl on a cycle, you probably were or wanted to before as well.

I also take ALA, B6, B12, Folic Acid, a multi Vitamin/mineral, Magnesium @ night, Vit C/E, Fish oil caps, Pycnogenol, Zinc, and various AF products (green tea, neurogenix, Tyler's Liver Detox, Sesapure, Alcar, etc....) when I have extra $$$$.

BMJ
 
very reassuring.. thats basically what my argument is.. im well prepared for sides that may occur.. if anything im taking too much AI.. but id rather back off than combat gyno once its already there.. im just hoping my blood pressure doesnt skyrocket.. if it does.. what can i do besides hop off the dbol and see how the test/eq effect it?
 
You will be fine....

It is normal for BP to elevate a little when first starting Dbol. It usually subsides quickly though. AI's and a clean diet will also help control BP, as well as lots of water. There are other tools and tips that can be thrown in for this as well if it arises. Remember, you are only talking about 4 weeks of Dbol use.

You are gonna look back at this and laugh......although, I do congratulate you on asking these questions and taking initiative to understand the situation you are getting into. Very responsible, and you setting a positive example for others to follow suit.....before jumping into situations/cycles and not asking questions beforehand.

BMJ
 
jagerbombme said:
i'd say you don't need aromasin. the aifm is enough
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agree, but you should ALWAYS have 2 AI's on hand. Also even though nolva has its issues its wise to have both clomid and nolva on hand. (though reccomend clomid use)
 
Also (I HAVE to say this) you laid out your whole cycle, stats, PCT, just about everything like it is suppossed to be done in a post when asking for cycle advice. I'm tired of the "I'm 18 and I have 20 vials of winny-v, plan my cycle".

Karma coming your way....
 
im saying while your on the cycle, i don't think you need aromasin. aifm is plenty. when you are in pct, well, i don't know. i know i was on aromasin and went back to aifm and aifm is alot stronger. i had to discontinue aifm wich is a long story, and wasn't on anything, and sure as shit, i started getting pain in my breast and started feeling weird tubes swollen in my left breast. aromasin and letro together did jack fucking crap. aifm, swollen shit is gone, after two days of aifm and feel better.
 
holy shit i have 7 karma points, effin SCORE.. anyone wanna give some projected gains off this cycle? pre-pct with 3 new compounds and current stats.. assuming diet is in check..running it for 13 weeks..

im guessing maybe gain 15-20 in first 4 weeks(from what ive heard about dbol).. test kicks in week 4-5.. gain another 10 in a few weeks.. eq kicks in week 6-7.. start vascularity shed some water.. hopefully end around 20-25 pounds of lean mass veins everywhere with not so much bloat.. opinions?
 
i love this cycle bro...probably because i'm doing the exact same one(except for possibly drol instead of dbol) in a month. good choice to up the dosage. cycle looks good. keep that diet right and train hard man. later
ps. you should be fine with the sides. looks like you got it covered!
 
^^^is right but if you do everything right and have good diet and pct i'd estimate 20lbs minimum. after the water from dbol and test is shredded. maybe more.
 
even if i just get harder/vascular ill be happy, which i know i will i was just wondering what kinda gains to expect.. i dont really want 40 pounds i think my girl would be afraid id fall on her and break my dick off haha
 
k i keep going back and forth.. and the more i keep thinkin the less mg i want to blast into me haha.. im thinkin

wk 1-4 pink thai 30mg ED
wk 1-12 EQ 400mg EW
wk 1-13 test E 400mg EW
then aifm ED
aromasin EOD or as needed

nolva/hcg/aifm pct

i know everyone says i should be able to handle 500/600 test/eq.. but what if i cant? i keep thinking that ill grow just fine off of more moderate dosages.. the dbol alone will probably get me the gains i want.. the test/eq are going to solidify those gains and allow me to grow more over a longer period.. and help me keep them.. and hopefully the eq will give me the vascularity/veins i want.. once again 6'5'' 220lbs 9-10% bf
 
jmead said:
even if i just get harder/vascular ill be happy, which i know i will i was just wondering what kinda gains to expect.. i dont really want 40 pounds i think my girl would be afraid id fall on her and break my dick off haha
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You wont gain 40 pounds, thats unrealistic. I think you could look to put on about 20-25lbs at the max. Maybe 10-15lbs of lean mass max.
 
as noted above gains will vary. Genetics, training, height, frame, diet, etc... all will play a significant role. ie.. Someone that is 5'6" is not going to gain as much as someone thats 6'2" all other factors being equal (which they never are).

two big issues with getting the most out cycles that the individual is responsible for: over and under eating as well as over and under training. you need to constantly evaluate your diet and training and make adjustments. Its better to over eat a little and undertrain a little than vice versa. Overtaining leads to injury and injury can ruin a great cycle, even years worth of work.... that also brings up another point WARM UP... the older you are the more important this is (its important for everyone, doubly so if you are over 30)...

rant ended... for now :p
 
haha bmj you keep convincing me then i talk myself out of it.. man im just worried about running 1300mg of aas in my body for 4 weeks.. then continuing to run over 1000mg for 12 weeks.. you dont think thats too much for all these compounds being new to my body? wha thappens if my bp goes crazy.. i have to hop off or what?
 
You'll thank me later.:)

I've ran that exact cycle many times at much higher doses of both test/dbol.

BMJ
 
if you are using AIFM your BP wont go crazy (estrogen/fluid/mineral retention is the primary BP rise issue).

though when on gear always make sure you get enough potassium and at least WATCH sodium intake...
 
jmean, ur thinking about it too much.

The doses ur going to be using are just right and somewhat safe. Ur not running a g of test or eq so u should be fine.
 
i probably am, but i want as many people as possible to tell me im just thinking too much, before i run 1.3 grams of aas haha
 
see thats what i keep thinking, basically its kind of like running about 750mg of test e.. right? just that 1200mg number kinda looks scarey..
 
it looks scary because you have created an arbitrary line in your mind (likely because others have reinforced the concept that the gram is a huge barrier). It is certain that higher doses of certain compounds do create their own issues, but its all about which drugs, how much of each, ancillaries used and individual response.

if you dont feel comfortable with a higher dose then DONT do it. the wrong mindset can lead to a self fullfilling prophecy.
 
im just looking too far into things and trying to be TOO cautious.. if i were running some harsher compounds then id probably not do it.. ive talked myself into it.. im going to do 500/600 and take precaution during the cycle with my ancilliary drugs that i spent my money on.. almost as much at the actual juice itself haha

besides aromasin/aifm/nolva/hcg what other drugs would i need to combat any sides? hair loss? i know you said aifm takes care of BP which is mostly caused by estrogen increase..

thanks everyone for your support and information.. ill post up pics here in a few days.. its gonna be fun..
 
woooo old threads rock,

update. currently 252, 10%ish BF

week 14ish i think? haha..

just put up 370 flat bench with no spot.. chest day.. weeeee

would of went for more but my GF was spotting me.. haha..

started this cycle my flat bench was 275 MAX.. i know its just one of my lifts but hey.. im happy

BULKING btw.. if you didnt notice my precycle stats..

i really dont know how ive gained so much weight, i think it has to do with me starting under my normal weight in the first place.

thanks for all the help bros
 
Dude, why the EQ?? and frankly why the Dbol also?

It's your first cycle, keep it simply dont complicate things.

Test E 500mg / Week (12 Weeks)
Aromasin 20mg EOD
Nolva on hand 20mg ED

and PCT : HCG / Nolva

take as little stuff as possible
 
Wow... you could be our poster child for the promotion of AAS. Amazing shit, you deserve a lot of credit for researching and properly applying the advice you got. Plus, you worked your ass off. Kudos, bro. You should be proud.
 
nab12 said:
well what was the amounts you ended up running?
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cycle started oct 4th so 15 weeks in
wk 1-now 600 test e EW
wk 1-now 600 eq EW
wk 1-4 dbol 30mg ED
wk 9-now npp 500mg EW
wk 13-now dbol 50mg ED
wk 1- death AIFM 4-5 sprays ED
wk 1-8 aromasin 20md ed
wk 8-now letro 1.5mg ED
wk 8-now cabergoline 2.5mg E3D

i started off wanting a more lean bulk look.. but after about week 8 i really stopped caring.. started eating everything i could get my hands on, once the gains slowed down i tossed the npp in there..

decided to remix dbol back in to put a little more size on.. gonna get off the dbol in a week.. run the test eq npp for another 3 weeks, run my PCT.. hope that i dont crash too hard, might try the 10mg am DBOL ..

its been a fun ass run.. by the way this wasnt my first cycle, i ran 2 deca only cycles before this.. never got much out of it.. i didnt know what the fuck i was doing..ran too low of dose,for too short of time and my injection schedule sucked i gained 25lbs first one, lost about 10 of that through the period of a few months..

gonna get bloodwork in about 3 months..

i want to bring in next year at 6'5'' 375 9% bf.. hefty goal but i think its very attainable..
 
600 test e
600 eq
been running theses two since oct 4th
wk 1-4 40mg dbol pink thai
500 npp
started npp around week 8

still have a defined 6 pack.. posting pics in about a week or so.. i dont have many precycle pics but theres quite a difference, mostly in my chest/shoulders.. well shit theres a difference everywhere.. fuckin calfs still wont grow
 
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