large cycle

[romoranger]

basically i am trying to design a cycle with large amounts of gains that are keepable in the end, but strrength is a priority along with size. please help me if i am incorrect with some of this, high dose cycles always confused me and there are some that i have never used before in it

week 1-3 25mg dbol/day
week 1-12 500mg test (most likeley sustanon, but i am willing to work with say enanthate first 6 weeks, then cypionate last six weeks as i guess a change in ester mid cycle will allow more steady gains rather than a peak and a drop)
week 1-12 600mg primo
week 1-12 .5mg a-dex daily
week 13-14 1000 mg of hcg mon/wed/fri
week 13-14 20mg nolvadex daily so as to not downregulate LH
week 15 40mg nolvadex daily
week 15 300mg, then 150, then 100mg rest of week clomid
week 16-17 20mg nolvadex daily
week 16-17 50mg clomid daily


ok guys, as i stated before i am not familiar with some of these. i am familiar with dbo and test and all ancillaries, but not the primo. would eq be just as effective for mostly strength AND lean mass, or is primo king in this. anything else any one else would add? i am consdiering maybe a low dose of deca put in or maybe trenbolone enanthate. please give me some guidance here. also considering that this is mostly for athletic performance, but muscle growth is also a concern; but i am not too keen on the idea of hgh for an extended period at this current time
i am getting a headache, please help

 

[romoranger]

omg, it finally posted, i have been trying for liek an hour to post this

 

[Dial_tone]

I don't think the choice of drug matters much in this regard. Much of the size people lose post-cycle is related to estrogen and water retention. Personally I think it's time people consider bringing back the old school tapering. It's less of a shock to the system (mentally and physicially) going from 1600mg/week to 1200mg/week to 800mg/week to 400mg/week than it is going from 1600mg/week straight to zero then PCT. No, you won't make the same gains in that last month but if you keep more of it you end up in the same spot. Quick and dirty example:

wk 1-10 1,600mg/week (total dosage)
wk 11 1200mg/week
wk 12 800mg/week
wk 13-14 400mg/week

 

[romoranger]

ok, so taped everything down say 1/3 week 11, then another 1/3 week 12, then have the pct occur?

 

[Dial_tone]

ok, so taped everything down say 1/3 week 11, then another 1/3 week 12, then have the pct occur?

That was just an example. It may make more sense to halve it each time like 1600/800/400. Most people today will hate this idea and shoot it down immediately, but I think it should be done with high dose cycles. I stay well under 1gram/week so there's less of a need for it.

 

[romoranger]

ok. that opinion does certainly make sense to me and i will incorporate that idea. do you feel that maybe trenbolone enanthate might add to this cycle in a beneficial way? or will it make recovery that much harder and is just another drug that is not of use considering doses already being considered

 

[Mythicalbeing]

I've played with the idea of tappering off a long cycle....while using PCT at the same time....Dial_tone have you tried this? Kind of like not going cold turkey....always thought this was a sound practice, works with everything else. Anybody?

 

[FknKnuckleHd]

Tapering was the only way we did it back in the day...deff doing it after coming off my current cycle.

 

[romoranger]

ok, tapering down definitely a must. do you guys feel i should run like sustanon for all 12 weeks, or do like 6 weeks enanthate and then 6 weeks cypionate. i remember reading somewhere how this was beneficial, whom said it is currently eluding me

 

[Mythicalbeing]

FknKnuckleHd Do you taper down every 2 weeks?
Right now I'm running 1g test,600mg eq 40mg dbol(on off every 6 weeks)....when I come off....would you taper off every 2 weeks....like drop down to 750mg test...400eq,2 weeks later 500mg test 275mg eq ect ect?...During this time frame I was also gonna start running primo,tren 100mg each EOD....for 6 weeks before hitting PCT.