Kre Alkalyn creatine, is it that good?

[bittersuit_98]

hey fellas, anyone has tried the kre alkalyn creatine?. According to some manufacturers' claims, this kind of creatine is supposed to be way superior than creatine monohydrate, because has balanced ph which makes this thing more souluble in water reducing waste in your body (less creatinine), therefore smaller dosages are needed. The manufacturer claims that kre alkalyn is a U.S. patented product, but I haven't found scientific research supporting the claims. Also, i noticed that people at the forums don't talk about this product, neither the bb's at the gym regardless whether they're serious or casual.


Who's tried both kinds of creatine, and what are your opinions? Is it just another hyped product?

 

[KIAN]

Kre Alkalyn is marketed through SciFit and is claimed (by SciFit) to be a completely stable form of creatine in a liquid solution. Their claim is that creatine ceases to breakdown into creatinine in a liquid environment when the pH value of the liquid is above 12. Kre Alkalyn is marketed as a buffered creatine with a pH value above 12. It is also alleged that it has a 100% absorption/utilisation rate. You will also see it marketed under the name 'Purple K'.

SciFit has been unable or unwilling to produce documented reports to back up the claims which they have made. This has not, however, stopped them from making alleged claims that CEE (creatine ethyl ester) is unsafe for use, despite the fact that SciFit also markets and sells CEE. SciFit is also unwilling to provide details as to the contents of its CEE product.

Creatine in a liquid form is still considered to be an unstable form of creatine. SciFit Kre Alkalyn falls into a grey area of the supplement industry. It is marketed but it is not supported.

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[bittersuit_98]

Kre Alkalyn is marketed through SciFit and is claimed (by SciFit) to be a completely stable form of creatine in a liquid solution. Their claim is that creatine ceases to breakdown into creatinine in a liquid environment when the pH value of the liquid is above 12. Kre Alkalyn is marketed as a buffered creatine with a pH value above 12. It is also alleged that it has a 100% absorption/utilisation rate. You will also see it marketed under the name 'Purple K'.

SciFit has been unable or unwilling to produce documented reports to back up the claims which they have made. This has not, however, stopped them from making alleged claims that CEE (creatine ethyl ester) is unsafe for use, despite the fact that SciFit also markets and sells CEE. SciFit is also unwilling to provide details as to the contents of its CEE product.

Creatine in a liquid form is still considered to be an unstable form of creatine. SciFit Kre Alkalyn falls into a grey area of the supplement industry. It is marketed but it is not supported.

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that was my point. I haven't seen any scientific evidence supporting SCIFIT's claims, nevertheless that stuff is U.S patented, so I'm not sure if i should try it. I've heard in the EF forums that CEE is superior, but again no info regarding efectiveness (only testimonials). Have you tried any of these creatine compounds? If so, which one worked better for u?

 

[KIAN]

Don't let their claim of a US Patent being assigned to their product mislead you. The patent is for the Pyruvate which Kre Alkalyn contains and was assigned to the University of Pittsburgh. Contact SciFit and ask them to provide you with the MSDS infromation regarding their product Kre Alkalyn and you will see exactly what part of their product holds the patent, assuming they respond to you. For some reason they don't like talking about their products.

Another thing to remember about supplements, in general, is that when a claim of 'University tested' is made, it usually means that a representative of the company went to the local university, saw a group of buff guys in the athletic centre, and asked them to try and review this new supplement they are planning to market. If none of them go blind then it usually hits the shelves within a few months.

Degussa AG, previously called SKW, is the largest manufacturer of creatine and although their research into a stable form of creatine in a liquid solution has progressed, they still maintain that, currently, liquid forms of creatine are completely unstable. They have also begun legal action against SciFit for their alleged claims in promoting the effects of Kre Alkalyn over creatine monohydrate. Degussa Ag holds the patent on 'CREAPURE'.

I have looked at the science behind many forms of creatine but have tried only a few as a result of what I have found. When I do use creatine, I use Ultimate Nutrition's CREAPURE as it's levels of creatinine, dihydrotriazine, and dicyandiamide are all within acceptable levels ... something which cannot be said for many of the creatine and CEE products on the market.


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[floridalife]

Curious after reading this and your creatine info sticky.. what would you say
is the purest best quality most accurate non BS creatine product on the market that we would benefit from the most?

Don't let their claim of a US Patent being assigned to their product mislead you. The patent is for the Pyruvate which Kre Alkalyn contains and was assigned to the University of Pittsburgh. Contact SciFit and ask them to provide you with the MSDS infromation regarding their product Kre Alkalyn and you will see exactly what part of their product holds the patent, assuming they respond to you. For some reason they don't like talking about their products.

Another thing to remember about supplements, in general, is that when a claim of 'University tested' is made, it usually means that a representative of the company went to the local university, saw a group of buff guys in the athletic centre, and asked them to try and review this new supplement they are planning to market. If none of them go blind then it usually hits the shelves within a few months.

Degussa AG, previously called SKW, is the largest manufacturer of creatine and although their research into a stable form of creatine in a liquid solution has progressed, they still maintain that, currently, liquid forms of creatine are completely unstable. They have also begun legal action against SciFit for their alleged claims in promoting the effects of Kre Alkalyn over creatine monohydrate. Degussa Ag holds the patent on 'CREAPURE'.

I have looked at the science behind many forms of creatine but have tried only a few as a result of what I have found. When I do use creatine, I use Ultimate Nutrition's CREAPURE as it's levels of creatinine, dihydrotriazine, and dicyandiamide are all within acceptable levels ... something which cannot be said for many of the creatine and CEE products on the market.


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[Turanabol]

I've used both KreAlkalyn and CEE for quite some time. I used Scifit's Krealkalyn on and off for 6 months with little results. When first using it I noticed light strength and size gains for the first couple of weeks. After that all effects seemed to diminish and I haven't been able get anything from it further. I then switched to MBI's CEE and it was like a smack in the face compared to KreAlkalyn. The gains were immediate and recovery times faster. Strength from the first time using it was incredible and hasn't let up. I've been using it solid for 8 weeks now and I haven't had any bloating or negative side effects. I also noticed my endurance in the gym is increased too. Next I'm gonna stack it with thier NitricOxide. Anyways I'd opt for the CEE if I was you.

 

[AX_Ryan]

I agree. I think CEE hands down delivers better results than Kry-Alkalyn. I use Dymatize Xpand and have great results.

Another one to look at is Controlled Labs Green Buldge. (horrible name, but great creatine mix).

 

[KIAN]

Curious after reading this and your creatine info sticky.. what would you say is the purest best quality most accurate non BS creatine product on the market that we would benefit from the most?

In terms of type, micronised creatine monohydrate is the tried and tested leader of them all with magnesium creatine showing good results to support initial claims.

In terms of brand, this is where it gets messy. This is just looking at creatine supplements and not at creatine supplements mixed with other compounds. From the information I have accessed, been provided, and obtained through independent lab analysis, the only creatine supplement I can recommend using is Ultimate Nutrition's Creapure. This is based on supporting documents and HPLC analysis for creatinine, dihydrotriazine, dicyandiamide and sodium.

Now, this does not mean that all other creatine supplements currently on the market are rubbish. It just means that the ones I have looked into (and there were many), fall into one or more of the following categories:

• the manufacturer, supplier and/or distributor are unable or unwilling to provide HPLC analysis results for their product
• the manufacturer, supplier and/or distributor will only provide the COA (certificate of analysis) for their product which is of no use in determining the possibility for the presence of contaminants
• the manufacturer claims to not know what an HPLC analysis actually is
• the manufacturer and/or supplier produced fraudulent supporting documents for their product
• the manufacturer, supplier and/or distributor refuse to provide any supporting information for their product
• the supplier refuses to answer any correspondence
• the manufacturer has been fined for misleading advertising with regards to their product
• the manufacturer has been fined for misleading statements/claims on their product
• third party, independent analysis has proved the manufacturer's claims to be false
• the product contains high levels of dicyandiamide (three cases where the levels were extreme)
• the product contains high levels of dihydrotriazine
• the product contains high levels of creatinine (note the different spelling)
• the product contains high levels of sodium
• the product contains very little, actual creatine
• the product is completely unstable

A couple of points to remember when using any creatine supplement.

• The effectiveness of creatine will depend upon the individual user's responsiveness as 30% of users will not respond to creatine supplementation.
• Creatine supplements have to be used correctly for any potential effects to be witnessed.
• A particular brand of creatine may, infact, produce results for you but you will need to question yourself as to whether or not these results are coming at the expense of consuming possible contaminants. If the manufacturer is unwilling to provide you with reassurance as to the quality of their product then you will have to resort to an independent lab analysis to satisfy your concerns or stop using that particular supplement.
• Also be aware that an individual's claim of one brand of creatine to be superior to another brand may be unfounded as different manufacturers sometimes use the same supplier for their raw materials. The finished product may have a different name but it is exactly the same creatine.

Don't base your purchase and use of any supplement on the claims of a manufacturer or on the fact that other people are using that particular product. Always ask the quesions: 'What does it do?' 'What is in it?' 'Why?' The supplement industry is worth 19 billion (US$) per year and is basically self-regulating. Don't support an industry which will not support you in obtaining information.

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[MikeMartial]

Don't base your purchase and use of any supplement on the claims of a manufacturer or on the fact that other people are using that particular product. Always ask the quesions: 'What does it do?' 'What is in it?' 'Why?' The supplement industry is worth 19 billion (US$) per year and is basically self-regulating. Don't support an industry which will not support you in obtaining information.

Probably the best piece of advice anyone can take to heart on a regular basis when buying
ANY supplement.

 

[floridalife]

Oh yeah i think we all know claims and fake articles pretending to review products etc are just a load of crap.. And that's why i asked you, someone who seems to have intensely researched it what brand seemed legit.

Thanks for the time and great information! I'll be trying Ultimate Nutrition's Creapure