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Kerry's Lies on 'Meet The Press'

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Kerry's Inaccurate Statements on Meet the Press
George W. Bush ^ | April 19, 2004

CUBA

Kerry Claim:

Kerry Claimed That He Never “Suggested Lifting” The Cuban Embargo. KERRY: “Now, I met with members of that community. All through the years I've been in the Senate, for 20 years, Tim. I have never suggested lifting the embargo. I don't suggest you just lift the embargo. That's not what I'm talking about. But for anybody to suggest that what we've been doing has worked, that it has somehow--I mean, look what happened with the Vallera program recently. A whole bunch of people got arrested and put in jail.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 4/18/04)

The Truth:

Sen. Kerry Has Long Voted Against Stronger Cuba Sanctions. (H.R. 927, CQ Vote #489, Motion Rejected 59-36: R 50-2; D 9-34, 10/17/95, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 955, CQ Vote #183: Rejected 38-61: R 5-49; D 33-12, 7/17/97, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 1234, CQ Vote #189, Motion Agreed To 55-43: R 43-10; D 12-33, 6/30/99, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 2549, CQ Vote #137: Motion Agreed To 59-41: R 52-3; D 7-38, 6/20/00, Kerry Voted Nay)

In 2000, Sen. Kerry Said Florida Politics Is Only Reason Cuba Sanctions Still In Place. “Senator John F. Kerry, the Massachusetts Democrat and member of the Foreign Relations Committee, said in an interview that a reevaluation of relations with Cuba was ‘way overdue.’ ‘We have a frozen, stalemated, counterproductive policy that is not in humanitarian interests nor in our larger credibility interest in the region,’ Kerry said. … ‘There is just a complete and total contradiction between the way we deal with China, the way we dealt with Russia, the way we have been dealing with Cuba over the last [several] years. It speaks volumes about the problems in the current American electoral process. … The only reason we don’t reevaluate the policy is the politics of Florida.’” (John Donnelly, “Policy Review Likely On Cuba,” The Boston Globe, 4/9/00)

CAFE STANDARDS

Kerry Claim:

Kerry Said He Is Flexible On Miles Per Gallon Standard That His Own CAFE Legislation Proposed. RUSSERT: “That was your legislation. You stand by that.” KERRY: “Well, we tried to do that that year but both McCain and I said at the time, you can go back and look at the quote -- we said we're not fixed in stone as to the number or how we do this. We're ready to negotiate. The problem is nobody wanted to negotiate because they had the votes.” (NBC's "Meet The Press," 4/18/04)

The Truth:

In 2002, Kerry Proposed His Own Legislation To Increase Fuel Efficiency Standards For Automobiles To 35 Miles Per Gallon. Kerry sponsored failed legislation that would have required automakers to boost Corporate Average Fuel Economy, or CAFE, standards to 35 miles per gallon by 2013. (S.1926, Introduced 2/8/02; Peter Cohn and John Godfrey, "Another Committee Loses Voice On Energy Overhaul," Congressional Quarterly Daily Monitor, 2/12/02)

Kerry Sticking With Plan To Raise CAFE Standards. “In the face of rising gasoline prices and stagnating fuel efficiency, Senator John Kerry is sticking with a plan he backed in the Senate to increase the nation's fuel economy standards 50 percent by 2015. That would be the largest increase, by far, since automotive fuel economy standards were first imposed after the oil shocks of the 1970's.” (Danny Hakim, "Kerry Is Sticking With Plan To Raise Auto Fuel Efficiency," The New York Times, 3/26/04)

Kerry Has Called For Higher CAFE Standards That “Go As Far And Fast As We Can.” “The Senate Commerce Committee is now reviewing the need to raise fuel economy standards for cars and SUVs. The question is: how far and how fast can we go? My answer is that we should go as far and fast as we can, guided by the legitimate concerns of the domestic automobile industry and the limits on what it is technically and economically feasible.” (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At The Center For National Policy, Washington, DC, 1/22/02)

In 1999 And 2002, Kerry Voted For Increased CAFE Standards. (H.R. 2084, CQ Vote #275: Rejected 40-55: R 6-45; D 34-9; I 0-1, 9/15/99, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 517, CQ Vote #47, Adopted 62-38: R 43-6; D 19-31; I 0-1, 3/13/02, Kerry Voted Nay)

MEANS TESTING

Kerry Claim:

Kerry Claims He Has Rejected 1995 Statement For Means Testing Of Social Security. RUSSERT: “Back in 1995, you said we have to be bold. And it might be unpopular, but we should consider raising the retirement age and means testing. Do you stand by those statements?” KERRY: “No, I rejected that. We looked at that and we found that we don't have to do it.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 4/18/04)

The Truth:

But, In August 2003, Kerry Again Suggested Considering Higher Taxes And Means Testing For Social Security. “[Kerry] told the audience here the country should consider raising Social Security taxes on incomes above $86,000 or capping the retirement benefits paid to wealthy Americans.” (David Yepsen, “Still Time For Kerry - But Hold The Ketchup,” The Des Moines Register, 8/14/03)

And In The Very Same Interview With Tim Russert, Kerry Again Hinted At Means Testing. Columnist Mickey Kaus noted: “Did John Kerry endorse means-testing Social Security--shaving the benefits of the affluent elderly--on Meet the Press today? I think he did! Let’s go to the transcript. Kerry’s just been asked how he’s going to make Social Security solvent. At first Kerry says he’s ‘rejected’ a 1995 statement of his that called for raising the retirement age and means-testing. But then he says: SEN. KERRY: ‘Tim, we’re going to have a bigger economy. We have more Americans who are working. We have the ability to grow out of it. Now, if we don’t do that--let me give you an idea. You and I earn a lot of money. We’re very lucky. If you live to be 85, Tim, do you think it’s right that somebody who earns $30,000 a year after you’ve gotten all your money out of Social Security, after you’ve gotten everything and more than you paid is paying you money? I think there are plenty of ways to look at things. We don’t have to tell Americans it won’t be there, because it will be there. And we certainly don’t have to cut benefits to pay for George Bush’s unaffordable tax cut.’ [Emph. added] Sounds like a modified version of means-testing that would only kick in after rich retirees had gotten their contributions back in the form of benefits.” (Mickey Kaus, “Did Kerry Endorse ‘Means-Testing’?” Slate.com, 4/18/04)

VA BUDGET

Kerry Claim:

Kerry Accused President Bush Of Cutting The VA Budget. “And what the Republicans are doing is one of their craven, misleading, distorting ads, spending millions of dollars trying to suggest I'm not strong on defense. I'm not going to let these Republicans, not for one instant, ever accuse me, who's voted for 16 out of 19 biggest defense bills in our history, who has supported our troops, while they're cutting even the VA budget.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 4/18/04)

The Truth:

The President’s FY 2005 Budget Proposes To Increase Funding For The Department Of Veterans Affairs (VA) To $68 Billion From The 2001 Level Of $48 Billion. The past four straight VA budget increases have provided more than a 40% increase in VA health care alone since 2001. (www.omb.gov, accessed 4/19/04)

According To Factcheck.Org, Kerry’s Attacks On Veterans Are False: “Yet even so, funding for veterans is going up twice as fast under Bush as it did under Clinton. And the number of veterans getting health benefits is going up 25% under Bush's budgets. That's hardly a cut.” (“Funding for Veterans up 27%, But Democrats Call It A Cut,” Factcheck.org, 2/18/04)

KERRY SPENDING

Kerry Claim:

Kerry Claimed His Budget Numbers Add Up And He Will Balance The Budget. RUSSERT: “Senator, if you repeal the top bracket of the Bush tax cut, you get about $50 billion a year.” KERRY: “Actually, you get about--you get more than that, Tim. RUSSERT: “It's pretty close. $200 billion over four years. And if you go through and add up your--if you...” KERRY: “Tim, no, that's wrong. You get about $850 billion over 10 years.” RUSSERT: “It--well, it kicks out later.” KERRY: “Right.” RUSSERT: “But initially, your first four-year term, it's about $50 billion a year. If you go through and add up all the campaign promises you've made, about health care, education, environment, the National Taxpayers Union said it's about $280 billion a year. So if you're saving $50 billion, if you will, in terms of the tax cut...” KERRY: “Yeah.” RUSSERT: “...with new revenues coming, but adding all that new spending...” KERRY: “The National...” RUSSERT: “...you're not going to be able to balance the budget.” KERRY: “Wrong. They--you know, I love these experts in Washington who have an interest, incidentally, and so they skew things the way they try to figure them out. The fact is, they don't take into account savings. They don't take into account the innovative ways I'm going to pay for things.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 4/18/04)

The Truth:

An Updated Analysis Of Senator John Kerry’s Campaign Promises Shows They Would Cost At Least $977 Billion Over 5 Years And $1.9 Trillion Over 10 Years. This is new government spending on top of the President’s budget. The costs are only for 44 out of Kerry’s 85 campaign promises. There were not enough details to determine the cost of Kerry’s remaining proposals.

John Kerry's Proposed Tax Increases Would Generate Only $658 Billion In Revenue Over 10 Years, Resulting In A $1.25 Trillion Tax Gap. John Kerry has proposed to raise income, capital gains, and dividend taxes on those making more than $200,000, to modify the repeal of the death tax, and close corporate tax loopholes.

IRAQ

Kerry Claim:

Kerry Claimed He Didn’t Attack The President On Iraq Until U.S. Had Taken Control Over The Country. RUSSERT: “You've been, obviously, extremely critical of President Bush's handling of foreign policy and his role as commander in chief. A year ago in March you made a commitment, and this is what you said. You ‘voted to authorize military action but has accused President Bush of rushing into war, [but he] said he will cease his complaints once the shooting starts. “It's what you owe the troops,' said a statement from Kerry. I remember being one of those guys and reading news reports from home. If America is at war, I won't speak a word without measuring how it will sound to the guys doing the fighting when they're listening to their radios in the desert.’” Are you concerned that you're sending the wrong message to the troops by not showing solidarity in terms of the war in Iraq? And have you broken your pledge?” KERRY: “No, I haven't. Because, number one, I did adhere strictly to that through the period of the success of the war, when we finally had taken control of the country.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 4/18/04)

The Truth:

Kerry Attacked The President Before Troops Had Made It To Baghdad And Called For “Regime Change” In The U.S. “‘What we need now is not just a regime change in Saddam Hussein and Iraq, but we need a regime change in the United States,’ Kerry said in a speech at the Peterborough Town Library. Despite pledging two weeks ago to cool his criticism of the administration once war began, Kerry unleashed a barrage of criticism as US troops fought within 25 miles of Baghdad.” (Glen Johnson, “Kerry Says Us Needs Its Own ‘Regime Change,’” The Boston Globe, 4/3/03)
 
The_Eviscerator said:
I have no idea what Kerry stands for... and neither does he.


Kerry2.jpg
 
Interesting note - in the last 6 weeks Bush has spent 40 MILLION dollars on ads attacking Kerry. Kerry has spent 300,000 dollars. And they are still neck to neck in the polls.

Kinda tells you something huh.
 
AAP said:
Interesting note - in the last 6 weeks Bush has spent 40 MILLION dollars on ads attacking Kerry. Kerry has spent 300,000 dollars. And they are still neck to neck in the polls.

Kinda tells you something huh.


I see your point but other polls have shown that our nation is pretty much 50/50 on party affiliations.
 
AAP said:
Interesting note - in the last 6 weeks Bush has spent 40 MILLION dollars on ads attacking Kerry. Kerry has spent 300,000 dollars. And they are still neck to neck in the polls.

Kinda tells you something huh.



Perhaps simply that 30 sec segments don't do much to change the minds of most.
 
The only difference is that Bush has spun bigger lies and we already know about them.

Such as, "Bush goes in front of UN, lies about Iraq WMD."

I'm surprised he hasn't been out there apologizing to our allies for losing their troops pursuing something that didn't exist. That could be one of the things contributing to our international image.
 
AAP said:
Interesting note - in the last 6 weeks Bush has spent 40 MILLION dollars on ads attacking Kerry. Kerry has spent 300,000 dollars. And they are still neck to neck in the polls.

Kinda tells you something huh.

Tells me that in most instances the liberal press loves to roast bush and not kerry... what is their combined budget?
 
Right now, you could tell me that Kerry is a gay cross-dresser in his spare time, cheats on his wife, snorts coke, and earned his money illegally, and I would STILL vote for him instead of Bush.

Voting for Kerry is the only way to possibly get Bush out at this point (voting for Nader is wasting a vote), and I'm willing to vote for someone I don't trust and even dislike just to do it. Hopefully in 4 years I can vote for someone I want and not someone I have to settle for.
 
AAP said:
Interesting note - in the last 6 weeks Bush has spent 40 MILLION dollars on ads attacking Kerry. Kerry has spent 300,000 dollars. And they are still neck to neck in the polls.

Kinda tells you something huh.

They are not neck and neck. Bush is pulling away, Kerry was 10 points ahead when he came out of the primaries. This is in the midst of partisan 9-11 hearings and rough times overseas.

But the president will stay the course in Iraq and the economy is kicking some serious ass. This thing is over guys.
 
casualbb said:
"Bush goes in front of UN, lies about Iraq WMD."

Every major intelligence agency in the world agreed that their were WMD's in Iraq. George Tenet was convinced they were there. Bush did not lie for fucks sake. he went by the best intelligence we had. I still believe the WMD's are in Syria or Lebanon.

Also, the UN is a fucking joke. A bunch of third world asshole leech mother fuckers trying to dictate what we do in the world. I say fuck em and pull all our aid as well.
 
The_Eviscerator said:
The UN is a fucking joke. A bunch of third world asshole leech mother fuckers trying to dictate what we do in the world. I say fuck em and pull all our aid as well.
 
you dont need to prove that kerry is a horrible choose for president. but ill probably still vote for him.

bush turned the biggest surpules into the greatest debt we have ever seen.

he also started a war on false intellegence.

to be honest i really cant see how kerry will do a WORSE job then bush.

and in my opinion i dont see how it will be hard to do a better job.

im not liberal or conservitive the ideas of the partys are way to polar for my beliefs.

im just saying.... both you republicans and democrats can pile a mountian of evidence daming "your" opponent. but its pointless, truth is we are not dealing with the cream of the crop here....smells more like a cheap dinner at dennys.

i say kerry so far based on what a terrible,bloody,deciving,jobless,fearful last 4 years we have had.


BO-DEN




p0ink said:
Kerry's Inaccurate Statements on Meet the Press
George W. Bush ^ | April 19, 2004

CUBA

Kerry Claim:

Kerry Claimed That He Never “Suggested Lifting” The Cuban Embargo. KERRY: “Now, I met with members of that community. All through the years I've been in the Senate, for 20 years, Tim. I have never suggested lifting the embargo. I don't suggest you just lift the embargo. That's not what I'm talking about. But for anybody to suggest that what we've been doing has worked, that it has somehow--I mean, look what happened with the Vallera program recently. A whole bunch of people got arrested and put in jail.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 4/18/04)

The Truth:

Sen. Kerry Has Long Voted Against Stronger Cuba Sanctions. (H.R. 927, CQ Vote #489, Motion Rejected 59-36: R 50-2; D 9-34, 10/17/95, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 955, CQ Vote #183: Rejected 38-61: R 5-49; D 33-12, 7/17/97, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 1234, CQ Vote #189, Motion Agreed To 55-43: R 43-10; D 12-33, 6/30/99, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 2549, CQ Vote #137: Motion Agreed To 59-41: R 52-3; D 7-38, 6/20/00, Kerry Voted Nay)

In 2000, Sen. Kerry Said Florida Politics Is Only Reason Cuba Sanctions Still In Place. “Senator John F. Kerry, the Massachusetts Democrat and member of the Foreign Relations Committee, said in an interview that a reevaluation of relations with Cuba was ‘way overdue.’ ‘We have a frozen, stalemated, counterproductive policy that is not in humanitarian interests nor in our larger credibility interest in the region,’ Kerry said. … ‘There is just a complete and total contradiction between the way we deal with China, the way we dealt with Russia, the way we have been dealing with Cuba over the last [several] years. It speaks volumes about the problems in the current American electoral process. … The only reason we don’t reevaluate the policy is the politics of Florida.’” (John Donnelly, “Policy Review Likely On Cuba,” The Boston Globe, 4/9/00)

CAFE STANDARDS

Kerry Claim:

Kerry Said He Is Flexible On Miles Per Gallon Standard That His Own CAFE Legislation Proposed. RUSSERT: “That was your legislation. You stand by that.” KERRY: “Well, we tried to do that that year but both McCain and I said at the time, you can go back and look at the quote -- we said we're not fixed in stone as to the number or how we do this. We're ready to negotiate. The problem is nobody wanted to negotiate because they had the votes.” (NBC's "Meet The Press," 4/18/04)

The Truth:

In 2002, Kerry Proposed His Own Legislation To Increase Fuel Efficiency Standards For Automobiles To 35 Miles Per Gallon. Kerry sponsored failed legislation that would have required automakers to boost Corporate Average Fuel Economy, or CAFE, standards to 35 miles per gallon by 2013. (S.1926, Introduced 2/8/02; Peter Cohn and John Godfrey, "Another Committee Loses Voice On Energy Overhaul," Congressional Quarterly Daily Monitor, 2/12/02)

Kerry Sticking With Plan To Raise CAFE Standards. “In the face of rising gasoline prices and stagnating fuel efficiency, Senator John Kerry is sticking with a plan he backed in the Senate to increase the nation's fuel economy standards 50 percent by 2015. That would be the largest increase, by far, since automotive fuel economy standards were first imposed after the oil shocks of the 1970's.” (Danny Hakim, "Kerry Is Sticking With Plan To Raise Auto Fuel Efficiency," The New York Times, 3/26/04)

Kerry Has Called For Higher CAFE Standards That “Go As Far And Fast As We Can.” “The Senate Commerce Committee is now reviewing the need to raise fuel economy standards for cars and SUVs. The question is: how far and how fast can we go? My answer is that we should go as far and fast as we can, guided by the legitimate concerns of the domestic automobile industry and the limits on what it is technically and economically feasible.” (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At The Center For National Policy, Washington, DC, 1/22/02)

In 1999 And 2002, Kerry Voted For Increased CAFE Standards. (H.R. 2084, CQ Vote #275: Rejected 40-55: R 6-45; D 34-9; I 0-1, 9/15/99, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 517, CQ Vote #47, Adopted 62-38: R 43-6; D 19-31; I 0-1, 3/13/02, Kerry Voted Nay)

MEANS TESTING

Kerry Claim:

Kerry Claims He Has Rejected 1995 Statement For Means Testing Of Social Security. RUSSERT: “Back in 1995, you said we have to be bold. And it might be unpopular, but we should consider raising the retirement age and means testing. Do you stand by those statements?” KERRY: “No, I rejected that. We looked at that and we found that we don't have to do it.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 4/18/04)

The Truth:

But, In August 2003, Kerry Again Suggested Considering Higher Taxes And Means Testing For Social Security. “[Kerry] told the audience here the country should consider raising Social Security taxes on incomes above $86,000 or capping the retirement benefits paid to wealthy Americans.” (David Yepsen, “Still Time For Kerry - But Hold The Ketchup,” The Des Moines Register, 8/14/03)

And In The Very Same Interview With Tim Russert, Kerry Again Hinted At Means Testing. Columnist Mickey Kaus noted: “Did John Kerry endorse means-testing Social Security--shaving the benefits of the affluent elderly--on Meet the Press today? I think he did! Let’s go to the transcript. Kerry’s just been asked how he’s going to make Social Security solvent. At first Kerry says he’s ‘rejected’ a 1995 statement of his that called for raising the retirement age and means-testing. But then he says: SEN. KERRY: ‘Tim, we’re going to have a bigger economy. We have more Americans who are working. We have the ability to grow out of it. Now, if we don’t do that--let me give you an idea. You and I earn a lot of money. We’re very lucky. If you live to be 85, Tim, do you think it’s right that somebody who earns $30,000 a year after you’ve gotten all your money out of Social Security, after you’ve gotten everything and more than you paid is paying you money? I think there are plenty of ways to look at things. We don’t have to tell Americans it won’t be there, because it will be there. And we certainly don’t have to cut benefits to pay for George Bush’s unaffordable tax cut.’ [Emph. added] Sounds like a modified version of means-testing that would only kick in after rich retirees had gotten their contributions back in the form of benefits.” (Mickey Kaus, “Did Kerry Endorse ‘Means-Testing’?” Slate.com, 4/18/04)

VA BUDGET

Kerry Claim:

Kerry Accused President Bush Of Cutting The VA Budget. “And what the Republicans are doing is one of their craven, misleading, distorting ads, spending millions of dollars trying to suggest I'm not strong on defense. I'm not going to let these Republicans, not for one instant, ever accuse me, who's voted for 16 out of 19 biggest defense bills in our history, who has supported our troops, while they're cutting even the VA budget.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 4/18/04)

The Truth:

The President’s FY 2005 Budget Proposes To Increase Funding For The Department Of Veterans Affairs (VA) To $68 Billion From The 2001 Level Of $48 Billion. The past four straight VA budget increases have provided more than a 40% increase in VA health care alone since 2001. (www.omb.gov, accessed 4/19/04)

According To Factcheck.Org, Kerry’s Attacks On Veterans Are False: “Yet even so, funding for veterans is going up twice as fast under Bush as it did under Clinton. And the number of veterans getting health benefits is going up 25% under Bush's budgets. That's hardly a cut.” (“Funding for Veterans up 27%, But Democrats Call It A Cut,” Factcheck.org, 2/18/04)

KERRY SPENDING

Kerry Claim:

Kerry Claimed His Budget Numbers Add Up And He Will Balance The Budget. RUSSERT: “Senator, if you repeal the top bracket of the Bush tax cut, you get about $50 billion a year.” KERRY: “Actually, you get about--you get more than that, Tim. RUSSERT: “It's pretty close. $200 billion over four years. And if you go through and add up your--if you...” KERRY: “Tim, no, that's wrong. You get about $850 billion over 10 years.” RUSSERT: “It--well, it kicks out later.” KERRY: “Right.” RUSSERT: “But initially, your first four-year term, it's about $50 billion a year. If you go through and add up all the campaign promises you've made, about health care, education, environment, the National Taxpayers Union said it's about $280 billion a year. So if you're saving $50 billion, if you will, in terms of the tax cut...” KERRY: “Yeah.” RUSSERT: “...with new revenues coming, but adding all that new spending...” KERRY: “The National...” RUSSERT: “...you're not going to be able to balance the budget.” KERRY: “Wrong. They--you know, I love these experts in Washington who have an interest, incidentally, and so they skew things the way they try to figure them out. The fact is, they don't take into account savings. They don't take into account the innovative ways I'm going to pay for things.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 4/18/04)

The Truth:

An Updated Analysis Of Senator John Kerry’s Campaign Promises Shows They Would Cost At Least $977 Billion Over 5 Years And $1.9 Trillion Over 10 Years. This is new government spending on top of the President’s budget. The costs are only for 44 out of Kerry’s 85 campaign promises. There were not enough details to determine the cost of Kerry’s remaining proposals.

John Kerry's Proposed Tax Increases Would Generate Only $658 Billion In Revenue Over 10 Years, Resulting In A $1.25 Trillion Tax Gap. John Kerry has proposed to raise income, capital gains, and dividend taxes on those making more than $200,000, to modify the repeal of the death tax, and close corporate tax loopholes.

IRAQ

Kerry Claim:

Kerry Claimed He Didn’t Attack The President On Iraq Until U.S. Had Taken Control Over The Country. RUSSERT: “You've been, obviously, extremely critical of President Bush's handling of foreign policy and his role as commander in chief. A year ago in March you made a commitment, and this is what you said. You ‘voted to authorize military action but has accused President Bush of rushing into war, [but he] said he will cease his complaints once the shooting starts. “It's what you owe the troops,' said a statement from Kerry. I remember being one of those guys and reading news reports from home. If America is at war, I won't speak a word without measuring how it will sound to the guys doing the fighting when they're listening to their radios in the desert.’” Are you concerned that you're sending the wrong message to the troops by not showing solidarity in terms of the war in Iraq? And have you broken your pledge?” KERRY: “No, I haven't. Because, number one, I did adhere strictly to that through the period of the success of the war, when we finally had taken control of the country.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 4/18/04)

The Truth:

Kerry Attacked The President Before Troops Had Made It To Baghdad And Called For “Regime Change” In The U.S. “‘What we need now is not just a regime change in Saddam Hussein and Iraq, but we need a regime change in the United States,’ Kerry said in a speech at the Peterborough Town Library. Despite pledging two weeks ago to cool his criticism of the administration once war began, Kerry unleashed a barrage of criticism as US troops fought within 25 miles of Baghdad.” (Glen Johnson, “Kerry Says Us Needs Its Own ‘Regime Change,’” The Boston Globe, 4/3/03)
 
The_Eviscerator said:
Every major intelligence agency in the world agreed that their were WMD's in Iraq. George Tenet was convinced they were there. Bush did not lie for fucks sake. he went by the best intelligence we had. I still believe the WMD's are in Syria or Lebanon.


I doubt they really believed there were WsMD in Iraq...we needed a reason, so we made one up. If they really believed it, they're not so intelligent are they?
 
AAP said:
Interesting note - in the last 6 weeks Bush has spent 40 MILLION dollars on ads attacking Kerry. Kerry has spent 300,000 dollars. And they are still neck to neck in the polls.

Kinda tells you something huh.
COKE OR PEPSI...
:qt:
 
Bulldog_10 said:
I doubt they really believed there were WsMD in Iraq...we needed a reason, so we made one up. If they really believed it, they're not so intelligent are they?
It is a fact that there were WMDs in Iraq. He used them on more than one occasion. The question is, where are they?
 
The_Eviscerator said:
Also, the UN is a fucking joke. A bunch of third world asshole leech mother fuckers trying to dictate what we do in the world. I say fuck em and pull all our aid as well.


brilliant idea , then we can pay 12$ a gallon for gasoline, and forget vacations outside of the country. forget travel outside the country period.
warlords would end up over throwing large goverments like israel and aquire nuclear arms. sell them to terrorists and we all end up 500 million little piles of
melted cheese

BO-DEN
 
Longhorn85 said:
It is a fact that there were WMDs in Iraq. He used them on more than one occasion. The question is, where are they?


Surprising that in a country smaller than some of our states, we can't find a weapon of mass destruction...especially since we've got the place pretty much on lockdown with our military. If they were there, we'd have found it by now...or at least some evidence of it's existance.
 
Longhorn85 said:
It is a fact that there were WMDs in Iraq. He used them on more than one occasion. The question is, where are they?

thats easy just decided who you think is "evil" then destroy they'r goverment, scoial structure. and kill about 30,000 women and children of the people and call it :whatever:"collateral damage":whatever:
send the complex society into civil war...

we can say we liberated them ...

call it a day in the name of god and justice.

you all talk like it matters if bush lied or not... lol the goverment is sooooo powerful now (LMAO) that what ever they tell you.....is taken as if it were the law of gravity

none of you are cia..

none of you have any real information or your own experience or "facts"

only what the news tells you. just like aljezera tells them

its all bullshit to keep you hens laying eggs

you argue about shit that is totaly out of your hands



BO-DEN
 
Bulldog_10 said:
Surprising that in a country smaller than some of our states, we can't find a weapon of mass destruction...especially since we've got the place pretty much on lockdown with our military. If they were there, we'd have found it by now...or at least some evidence of it's existance.
You would think so, yes, I agree. But the fact that they were there in great numbers is undisputable. Has anyone checked Syria? Libya? Iran? Jordan?
 
Longhorn85 said:
Has anyone checked Syria? Libya? Iran? Jordan?


i think this time it would be a good idea to be "sure" before we destroy another country, spend 400billion dollors , and the lives of hundreds of our soilders.

BO-DEN :coffee:
 
BO-DEN said:
we can pay 12$ a gallon for gasoline
-heading that way anyway
and forget vacations outside of the country. forget travel outside the country period.
-heading that way anyway (well except mexico- but that is the only place I want to go anyways)....
warlords would end up over throwing large goverments like israel and aquire nuclear arms. sell them to terrorists and we all end up 500 million little piles of melted cheese
-they could do this anyways
Bo-den- I agree with the rest of what you say tho about arguing about things you know nothing about and they're trying to keep the hens laying eggs... it is just when it comes down to it, I woud rather have someone that is ready to pull the trigger than some waffling pansy...

Longhorn85 said:
Has anyone checked Syria? Libya? Iran? Jordan?
NEXT! :evil:
 
I love this line:
"They don't take into account the innovative ways I'm going to pay for things"

Is he talking about pushing payments off until he's out of office, or some other innovative payment plan?

Maybe he's doing a Mistubishi "Pay nothing until 2010!!" deal.
 
p0ink said:
Kerry's Inaccurate Statements on Meet the Press
George W. Bush ^ | April 19, 2004


CAFE STANDARDS

Kerry Claim:

Kerry Said He Is Flexible On Miles Per Gallon Standard That His Own CAFE Legislation Proposed. RUSSERT: “That was your legislation. You stand by that.” KERRY: “Well, we tried to do that that year but both McCain and I said at the time, you can go back and look at the quote -- we said we're not fixed in stone as to the number or how we do this. We're ready to negotiate. The problem is nobody wanted to negotiate because they had the votes.” (NBC's "Meet The Press," 4/18/04)

The Truth:

In 2002, Kerry Proposed His Own Legislation To Increase Fuel Efficiency Standards For Automobiles To 35 Miles Per Gallon. Kerry sponsored failed legislation that would have required automakers to boost Corporate Average Fuel Economy, or CAFE, standards to 35 miles per gallon by 2013. (S.1926, Introduced 2/8/02; Peter Cohn and John Godfrey, "Another Committee Loses Voice On Energy Overhaul," Congressional Quarterly Daily Monitor, 2/12/02)

Kerry Sticking With Plan To Raise CAFE Standards. “In the face of rising gasoline prices and stagnating fuel efficiency, Senator John Kerry is sticking with a plan he backed in the Senate to increase the nation's fuel economy standards 50 percent by 2015. That would be the largest increase, by far, since automotive fuel economy standards were first imposed after the oil shocks of the 1970's.” (Danny Hakim, "Kerry Is Sticking With Plan To Raise Auto Fuel Efficiency," The New York Times, 3/26/04)

Kerry Has Called For Higher CAFE Standards That “Go As Far And Fast As We Can.” “The Senate Commerce Committee is now reviewing the need to raise fuel economy standards for cars and SUVs. The question is: how far and how fast can we go? My answer is that we should go as far and fast as we can, guided by the legitimate concerns of the domestic automobile industry and the limits on what it is technically and economically feasible.” (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At The Center For National Policy, Washington, DC, 1/22/02)

In 1999 And 2002, Kerry Voted For Increased CAFE Standards. (H.R. 2084, CQ Vote #275: Rejected 40-55: R 6-45; D 34-9; I 0-1, 9/15/99, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 517, CQ Vote #47, Adopted 62-38: R 43-6; D 19-31; I 0-1, 3/13/02, Kerry Voted Nay)
p0ink said:
i don't see a lie in this statement nor do i see how raising cafe standards is bad. one certain way to decrease dependence on foreign oil is to increase cafe standards. the technology is available to do it now and to do it cheaply.
 
Longhorn85 said:
Has anyone checked Syria? Libya? Iran? Jordan?

Give us a fucking break. Bush never said they were in Syria. Nor Libya. Nor Iran, etc..

He said they were MOST DEFINATELY in Iraq. Hiding behind those 4 million new jobs he created last year no doubt.
 
TQpew said:
i don't see a lie in this statement nor do i see how raising cafe standards is bad. one certain way to decrease dependence on foreign oil is to increase cafe standards. the technology is available to do it now and to do it cheaply.

If such technology was cheap, then why would the companies not implement this? Would a full size SUV that could get 30 miles to the gallon NOT sell?

Such measures will not remove our dependance on foreign oil since we will still be using oil, this will not produce alternative fuels. What it will definately do is raise the costs of cars, which will decrease the demand for cars, which will reduce profit of the car companies, which will cause job cuts, etc.
 
Longhorn85 said:
It is a fact that there were WMDs in Iraq. He used them on more than one occasion. The question is, where are they?

Mr. "I am not in Politics" Powell contradicts your silly belief sir.

The evidence keeps mounting that the intelligence concerning WMDs was wrong, and either the Bush Administration is so inept that it lied about the reasons for military action. Increasingly, it appears that the main reason GW Bush wanted to oust Saddam Hussein was to settle the Bush family vendetta against the man what tried to kill his daddy.

Powell: Iraq Evidence May Have Been Wrong
BY BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer

WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Colin Powell has conceded that evidence he presented to the United Nations that two trailers in Iraq were used for weapons of mass destruction may have been wrong.

In an airborne news conference on the way home from NATO talks in Brussels, Belgium, Powell said Friday he had been given solid information about the trailers that he told the Security Council in February 2003 were designed for making biological weapons. But now, Powell said, "it appears not to be the case that it was that solid."

He said he hoped the intelligence commission appointed by President Bush to investigate prewar intelligence on Iraq "will look into these matters to see whether or not the intelligence agency had a basis for the confidence that they placed in the intelligence at that time."

Powell's dramatic case to the Security Council that Iraq had secret arsenals of weapons of mass destruction failed to persuade the council to directly back the U.S.-led war that deposed the Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. But it helped mobilize sentiment among the American people for going to war.

As it turned out, U.N. inspectors were unable to uncover the weapons, but administration officials have insisted they still might be uncovered.

David Kay, who led the hunt for the weapons, showed off a pair of trailers for news cameras last summer and argued that the two metal flatbeds were designed for making biological weapons.

But faced with mounting challenges to that theory, Kay conceded in October he could have been wrong. He said he did not know whether Iraq ever had a mobile weapons program.

Powell told reporters that as he worked on the Bush administration's case against Iraq U.S. intelligence "indicated to me" that the intelligence was solid.

"I'm not the intelligence community, but I probed and I made sure, as I said in my presentation, these are multi-sourced" allegations, Powell said.

The trailers were the most dramatic claims, "and I made sure that it was multi-sourced," he said.

"Now, if the sources fell apart we need to find out how we've gotten ourselves in that position," he said.

"I have discussions with the CIA about it," Powell said, without providing further details.

The trailers were the only discovery the administration had cited as evidence of an illicit Iraqi weapons program.

In six months of searches, no biological, chemical or nuclear weapons were found to bolster the administration's central case for going to war: to disarm Saddam of suspected weapons of mass destruction.
 
Becoming said:
Bo-den- I agree with the rest of what you say tho about arguing about things you know nothing about and they're trying to keep the hens laying eggs... it is just when it comes down to it, I woud rather have someone that is ready to pull the trigger than some waffling pansy...

i agree with you , i think our leader needs to be a warrior leader in thies times but...

A- i want someone thats gunna aim at the real enemy and not have the gun backfire leaving us with the bloody hands... then he retires (with full benifits,4 mansions,full salery till he dies.. playing golf with dad) and lets my childrens generation pick up the peices.


B-i think we need to rethink our system for intellegence because we have dropped the ball twice in that area in the last 3 years and together both cost us about 3,700 american lives. (the intellegence should be saving us american lives. its why we pay through the nose in this country so we can at least THINK we are safe)

(IMO)
i dont want a pansy behind the wheel of this country but blind fury is just as dangerouse as impetence in this situation.

(EXAMPLE OF BLIND FURY)
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Our government is like a nightmare you can't wake up from that just keeps getting worse and worse by the moment.I never thought I'd see the day when I was ready to move to a different country from being so tired of the relentless bullshit,lies,and special interest agendae.
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Our government is like a nightmare you can't wake up from that just keeps getting worse and worse by the moment.I never thought I'd see the day when I was ready to move to a different country from being so tired of the relentless bullshit,lies,and special interest agendae.
It's survivor with nukes.
 
atlantabiolab said:
If such technology was cheap, then why would the companies not implement this? Would a full size SUV that could get 30 miles to the gallon NOT sell? What it will definately do is raise the costs of cars, which will decrease the demand for cars, which will reduce profit of the car companies, which will cause job cuts, etc

hybrid technology is here now. when it was intro'd 7-9 years ago it doubled the price of a car. it has currently advanced to a stage where it adds 2-3 thousand to the manufacturing cost of a vehicle. car manufacturers don't want to spend the extra $ and congress has failed to put any meaningful increased cafe legislation on the table. why? because those same car manufacturers grease congressional pockets to keep the standards lower than what is possible and reasonable.
and surely you don't believe demand for cars in this nation will ever decrease. americans love cars too much to ever switch to mass transit.
 
TQpew said:
hybrid technology is here now. when it was intro'd 7-9 years ago it doubled the price of a car. it has currently advanced to a stage where it adds 2-3 thousand to the manufacturing cost of a vehicle. car manufacturers don't want to spend the extra $ and congress has failed to put any meaningful increased cafe legislation on the table. why? because those same car manufacturers grease congressional pockets to keep the standards lower than what is possible and reasonable.

Why would they pressure government to prevent such legislation if as you claim the demand for cars will not diminish? If I can add costs into a product yet still recoup my costs, then what would preclude me from doing this, especially if it is in demand?

and surely you don't believe demand for cars in this nation will ever decrease. americans love cars too much to ever switch to mass transit.

The demand for hybrid cars is not that great, thus the companies are not pushing hybrid designs hard. You state that the car manufacturers don't want to spend the extra money...do you think that the consumers should have to pay the extra costs when they don't have to? Is it OK to force consumers to pay extra for something they don't want?
 
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