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Keepable gains on dbol?

I don't see why a good amount of your gains wouldn't be keepable. A lot of people put down d-bol, and say that it's all water. Even more people believe that d-bol can put a lot of solid muscle on you. Check out all the old-timers. D-bol was responsible for 90% of their cycles. Who wouldn't want to look like Arnold circa 1977?
 
marshallmadman said:
I don't see why a good amount of your gains wouldn't be keepable. A lot of people put down d-bol, and say that it's all water. Even more people believe that d-bol can put a lot of solid muscle on you. Check out all the old-timers. D-bol was responsible for 90% of their cycles. Who wouldn't want to look like Arnold circa 1977?
Exactly right. Up until it was taken off the market, dbol was bread and butter. Having run several dbol only cycles in my past, I can vouch that a solid % of the gains can be kept. All that being said, most of the people these days who run dbol only cycles are novices and novices tend to have issues keeping gains, especially with fast acting/exiting drugs. Long acting/self tapering injects are a lot easier on most people for maintaining gains.
 
You may go up 15-20lbs total, but you will drop 9-10 lbs which is water weight, and isn;t actually gains. So you will look like you blew up while on cycle and then after your off it most of this will disapear. This could be very depressing.
 
Why would you want to use on D-Bol? Why not throw in some ent or cyp and really blow up? I don't like D-Bol only cycles. But that's jmo, I know others that have had success with it.
 
vio said:
It was just a thought.
I'm too scared of needles tho. hehe.

better get over that fear real quick bro! you're just wasting money and time w/ orals only. Everyones scared their first time ;)
 
Muscle you gain are keepable no matter what steroid are used .Just do not take water retention as muscle gain , thats all.Dbol is a powerful anabolic and it works for decades for thousend & thousands of men.Of course if u throw some test as people here said you will see much more but it all depends on you of how much you expect and how much are you ready to pay and risk.For few Dbol is all they need .
 
On my Dball only cycle with arimidex and PCT i went from 215 to 245 @ 20mg daily. Post cycle i settled in @ 235. I also made use of diuretics twice to dump alot of water from my frame. So all in all i must say that a dbal only cycle can be very effective during and after. One thing to keep in mind is that i am an experinced user. Back in the day when i was starting out i did a dball and primo cycle and lost everything and then some, and i only used 15 mg dball and 100mg of primo/wk.

So IMO dball can go either way for you, but this is true on any AAS.
 
GREGORY said:
On my Dball only cycle with arimidex and PCT i went from 215 to 245 @ 20mg daily. Post cycle i settled in @ 235. I also made use of diuretics twice to dump alot of water from my frame. So all in all i must say that a dbal only cycle can be very effective during and after. One thing to keep in mind is that i am an experinced user. Back in the day when i was starting out i did a dball and primo cycle and lost everything and then some, and i only used 15 mg dball and 100mg of primo/wk.

So IMO dball can go either way for you, but this is true on any AAS.

What did you do wrong first time around? :S
 
vio said:
What did you do wrong first time around? :S



Overtraining.
Improper and inconsistant diet.
No anti e's.
No pct.


All those combined put me under and i lost all of my gains and then some.
 
Ok, so there's no reason I couldn't keep all non-water gains first time around, if I were to follow your last cycle by the book :)
Then Dbol would be so bad.
I wonder if it's stackable with Turanabol..
 
vio said:
Ok, so there's no reason I couldn't keep all non-water gains first time around, if I were to follow your last cycle by the book :)
Then Dbol would be so bad.
I wonder if it's stackable with Turanabol..

Well technically that's true. BUT, you have to remember that i made some very real strenght/size gains on this cycle, but alot of it was muscle memory, so it's a little different from breaking new ground for the first time. There are also Genetic factors to consider, like how will your body respond to the drug. I am happy to report no sides at all except for some occasional bloat. But give it a shot if you like. The key is low dosing though.
 
if you train correctly and that means not overtraining, and eating correctly at least 1.5-2 g of protein per lb of bodyweight and keeping carbs between 200-400/day adn cals at about 3000-4000 and take a moderate amount like 20mg/day. you can keep the majority of your gains. and when your done w/ your cycle, don't slack on diet, keep up diet and when your done, even throw in some creatine for a couple of weeks and you should keep your gains. and i say that you should keep your gains because its proven that dbol actually causes muscluar hypotrophy which means as opposed to JUST retianing water, you will actually grow muscle tissue, which in turn you will keep, you won't just lose muscle, but you will lose water. hope that helps



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Correct. The only issue i take is the protein recommendation. I hardly ever go beyond .8 gram per lb and grow just fine as long as i get enough calories. The protein manufacturers brainwash everyone with their funded studies showing how ever higher and higher ammounts are not just beneficial but essential to growth. There is a cut off point in this like with anything else. I have found that about .8 is the sweet spot.
 
Hm. I eat 6 meals a day, each with 100g carbs, 40-50g proteins and 20g fat. And so I have every day the last 3 years. When it comes to training and diet, I'm a perfectionist! :O
But I don't know what PCT to use for my turanabol-only cycle, or even after dbol (newbie!) :O
 
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