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Just watched a program on ABC, promoting Extasy!

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It was "20/20" I think. The whole time they were talking about extasy being so great, and so few people having bad experiences with it. Made me want to try it even more. Yeah, they even had a priest there, who said that X brought him closer to God, and he felt like "Moses on the mountain". I bet they are going to get a lot of angry calls about this.. :rolleyes:
 
I have been saying this for years.When used in the right situations in moderation it can be a life altering ocasion.You don't have to be at a rave eating 10 of them and getting crazy.Me and my girl go to the beach every sunday to a bar and meet up with out good friends and spend the day there and all eat maybe 3 at the most and have a great day.I have a good job and have not gone crazy.I have been doing this for over 10 years.The goverment is doing the same lies about extasy as they do with steriods.
 
yeah, and the cool thing is that it became an illegal drug only in 1985. Until then they sold it in night clubs and stuff.
 
yeah, and the cool thing is that it became illegal only in 1985. Until then they sold it in night clubs and stuff.
 
and roids shrink you wiener and your going to rage out and kill people and rape women.its all the same media spin the govenment puts out there to us.Think outside the box.When I was like 11 I thought weed "dope" was the devils work acording to all the info i got at school.Then at 15 I saw it and couldn't belive people were doing it and not dying.I tried it and found out it was all a bunch of misinformation.
 
randyjones said:
I have been saying this for years.When used in the right situations in moderation it can be a life altering ocasion.You don't have to be at a rave eating 10 of them and getting crazy.Me and my girl go to the beach every sunday to a bar and meet up with out good friends and spend the day there and all eat maybe 3 at the most and have a great day.I have a good job and have not gone crazy.I have been doing this for over 10 years.The goverment is doing the same lies about extasy as they do with steriods.


So you have a job, big fucking deal......but you can't spell occasion or government. Yeah man X is no big deal......just keep telling yourself that...........hey wait a minute.....what was I talking about......shit....can't remember........but I know the X didn't cause the short term memory loss.....it must be because I'm getting old......errr....or something like that.....

X is bad mmmmmmkayyyyyyy.......there are no two ways about......while your theory of moderation may hold true to the extent that a person who chews up 14 pills a weekend, as opposed to a person who uses infrequently, will have worse cerebral damage.............ummmmmm.......did you hear me....I said worse.......implying that...even the casual user will experience brain trauma/damage as well. Do your homework broly, I did.....and now I don't touch the shit. Not preaching at all either... to each their own, but please do not misinform others. :)
 
I've seen a lot of people develop memory problems because of extacy, and a few that ended up in deep depressions when they got done their disco biscuit bender phase. Not to mention what dancing around for 8 hours in a hot club while taking in nothing but water does to your body. It's just plain stupid.
 
As a casual (casual I mean I do it maybe once every few months or so) user that did do her reading there is no brain damage. Pure MDMA releases the naturally occuring serition in your body that is it plain and simple. People that are doing more than one in a night sorry but that will fuck you up for sure in the long term. Pitbullstl not sure what you read but a year or so back the FDA did a study on X that they later had to retract because they had mixed the X samples up with crystal meth. Now that shit will give you brain damage.
 
superqt4u2nv said:
People that are doing more than one in a night sorry but that will fuck you up for sure in the long term.


??????????????-where did u get that information, sorry but that is un-true...
 
i wish i would have seen it

i havent touched X in a while...u build up a tolerance and then shit happens which sucks..

the good ole days of not worrrying about fake X and only a half a roll will make get u twisted


xxx were my fav and rolls royce
 
isn't a major ingredient of ecstacy methamphetamines, aka crystal meth? how can someone "eat maybe 3" of these on a sunday and not be all crashed on monday?
 
glennds said:
isn't a major ingredient of ecstacy methamphetamines, aka crystal meth? how can someone "eat maybe 3" of these on a sunday and not be all crashed on monday?



halk a roll will fuck u up if it a good one

and yes the day after is very bad and looong sometimes next 48-72 hours... are hell



and i have learned why not to fuck with X



plus fake X is so so danger
 
ya gotta be very young or have zero responsiblities (or life) to do x and meth. you cannot possibly function normally on the crash from this shit. it is just too hard on your system.
 
glennds said:
ya gotta be very young or have zero responsiblities (or life) to do x and meth. you cannot possibly function normally on the crash from this shit. it is just too hard on your system.



so your saying...........



deteras1 said:
Anyone that does X is a fucking moron.
 
it's not extasy that kills. It's BAD extasy that kills, and dumbass teens that wind up taking wayyy too much then they should of the BAD stuff. Then hundreds of dumbasses get killed a year, and thousands of pissed off angry parents make a stink about it.
 
Razorguns said:
it's not extasy that kills. It's BAD extasy that kills....

Thats not quite accurate. The deaths usually involved are associated with exctasy's ability to alter the brains ability to adjust for homeostasis, in this case the brain neglects to tell the body that it needs rest and/or hydration and eventually that person simply overheats and dies. Of course this scenario is still quite rare. I have been to hundred of raves and done my share of e and never had a problem myself.
 
>with exctasy's ability to alter the brains ability to adjust for homeostasis, in this case >the brain neglects to tell the body that it needs rest and/or hydration and eventually >that person simply overheats and dies

So what you're saying is -- 1% of folks whose brains "neglect" to tell the body that it needs rest/hydration -- would never know they're that 1% until they die?

It's reasoning like that, that Congressman hear and vote and make it illegal.

All they see is: Teen, E, Rave, Death, Angry Parent. Good enough -- it's illegal.
 
Correct. It is a hard concept to graps for non users but I am sure I had been quite close to overheating myself back in the day. You simply don't feel the need to rest. you feel no pain and all pleasure I once had a girl bump into while dancing (i was shirtless) and she literally freaked at me saying I had burnt her (my skin was that hot!), she suggested I go take a rest which I did.
 
okay that aside. I see you have a new pic of that hottie for our viewing pleasure!!! She needs a calendar! hehe.
 
I believe I remember that studies show X wipes about abou 30-40% of your serotonin receptors THE FIRST TIME YOU DO IT... it will wipe out up to 75-85% I believe over time... by the way, though the receptors do come back with time, if you have take enough to cause neruotoxic effects (aka neron death) the neurons in that pathway die off, and they never come back..... and it is probably why people keep taking it, cause it replaces the feeling serotonin normally gives on its own...

Just and FYI.... some more notes...

-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA), commonly referred to as Ecstasy, is a widely abused, psychoactive recreational drug, which induces short- and long-term neuropsychiatric behaviors.

-This drug is neurotoxic to serotonergic neurons in vivo, and induces programmed cell death in cultured human serotonergic cells and rat neocortical neurons.

-Over the years it has been shown that MDMA alters the release of several neurotransmitters in the brain, it induces recompartmentation of intracellular serotonin and c-fos, and modifies the expression of a few genes.

-It is indicated that MDMA alters the expression of several proteins involved in GABA neurotransmission, thus having critical effect on thermoregulation and MDMA acute toxicity.

(BTW I have taken it and a lot of other shit.... I liked it but thought it was too short to be worth it...)
 
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Becoming said:
I believe I remember that studies show X wipes about abou 30-40% of your serotonin receptors THE FIRST TIME YOU DO IT... it will wipe out up to 75-85% I believe over time... by the way, they don't come back, ever... and it is probably why people keep taking it, cause it replaces the feeling serotonin normally gives on its own...

Just and FYI.... some more notes...

-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA), commonly referred to as Ecstasy, is a widely abused, psychoactive recreational drug, which induces short- and long-term neuropsychiatric behaviors.

-This drug is neurotoxic to serotonergic neurons in vivo, and induces programmed cell death in cultured human serotonergic cells and rat neocortical neurons.

-Over the years it has been shown that MDMA alters the release of several neurotransmitters in the brain, it induces recompartmentation of intracellular serotonin and c-fos, and modifies the expression of a few genes.

-It is indicated that MDMA alters the expression of several proteins involved in GABA neurotransmission, thus having critical effect on thermoregulation and MDMA acute toxicity.

(BTW I have taken it and a lot of other shit.... I liked it but thought it was too short to be worth it...)
I watched a show on X on the history channel. They said that it releases all the serotonin at once and then the receptors "Dry up" and then when more serotonin is produced the receptors are moved to a different part of the brain, and that is why some people get fucked up because their receptors are not in the same place. I don't believe that 35-45% of receptors are wiped out from first time users. I learned a lot from the show and it was more about promoting X than making it seem badly.
 
IMO it is way overrated for sex takes me like 6 hours to cum when I am on E. Sex is something that is so good on its own no drugs are required. :qt:
 
my undergrad minor was in neurobiology.... the 35-45% thing is pretty close if not right on (tho it is from memory) it is VERY severe... we got to see slides of actual brain tissue, the difference after one administration was striking.... don't believe it if you don't like... I am not the one that is going to have clinical depression...

receptors don't move to a different part of the brain.... they get down regulated, then with further use, the neurons in that pathway die off... this does not result in new receptors elsewhere...

"history channel" does not say "authority on neurobio" to me...

redshirt27se said:
I watched a show on X on the history channel. They said that it releases all the serotonin at once and then the receptors "Dry up" and then when more serotonin is produced the receptors are moved to a different part of the brain, and that is why some people get fucked up because their receptors are not in the same place. I don't believe that 35-45% of receptors are wiped out from first time users. I learned a lot from the show and it was more about promoting X than making it seem badly.
 
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With men it can also have the same reverse effect (mostyl dose dependant). Alot of user's report the inability to maintain an erection. I was lucky as I had no problems with that, and fuck me did it feel good:)
 
Becoming said:
my undergrad minor was in neurobiology.... the 35-45% thing is pretty close if not right on (tho it is from memory) it is VERY severe... we got to see slides of actual brain tissue, the difference after one administration was striking.... don't believe it if you don't like... I am not the one that is going to have clinical depression...

receptors don't move to a different part of the brain.... they die off... this does not result in new receptors elsewhere...

"history channel" does not say "authority on neurobio" to me...

I am looking up some studies now but I can't find anything with such a number bor. Not that I don't believe I just like to see it for my self.
 
I like to roll a few times a year and I don't have much of a hangover. I've gone to work the day after and only problem I have is being tired from staying up late. I know some people have problems for days afterwards though, especially people who have depression or anxiety problems. In my experience, less is more, just one is pleanty for me. The last time I rolled I'd had a pulled muscle in my leg a few days before and had been hobbling around like an old woman in a lot of pain, once the x kicked in I was in no pain at all for hours and felt wonderful. I think when used responsibly, x can be a good experience overall, but just like with anything, over do it and you'll be screwed eventually.
 
superqt4u2nv said:
I am looking up some studies now but I can't find anything with such a number bor. Not that I don't believe I just like to see it for my self.

Cool... Like I said, we saw actual slides of brain tissue.. I had to change some phrasing above for correctness... differences between neurons and receptors etc... if I find any useful studies listed I will post them...
 
Becoming said:
my undergrad minor was in neurobiology.... the 35-45% thing is pretty close if not right on (tho it is from memory) it is VERY severe... we got to see slides of actual brain tissue, the difference after one administration was striking.... don't believe it if you don't like... I am not the one that is going to have clinical depression...

receptors don't move to a different part of the brain.... they get down regulated, then with further use, the neurons in that pathway die off... this does not result in new receptors elsewhere...

"history channel" does not say "authority on neurobio" to me...

yes this is true same effect with meth I do belive
 
Becoming said:
Cool... Like I said, we saw actual slides of brain tissue.. I had to change some phrasing above for correctness... differences between neurons and receptors etc... if I find any useful studies listed I will post them...
I would be interested in reading it for sure thanks! :qt:
 
superqt4u2nv said:
I would be interested in reading it for sure thanks! :qt:

I was looking around- most of it was pretty dry... I can't access full articles to post them up (as I am not at a university)... but the articles below looked like decent reviews to look up if you are able..

It has been implicated in damaging serotonin, dopamine, acetocholine neural pathways (neural damage) and even implicated in damaging glucose uptake (sugars are the only things your brain can use as fuel)

........the first time I did it I was out and about partying with a buddy of mine (who eventually became a surgeon)..... the funny thing is right after we took it he says to me "what is crazy is we just burned up like 40% of our serotonin receptors" (which is what I had learned previously in school) ... we shared an uncomfortable laugh after that....


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Pharmacol Rev. 2003 Sep;55(3):463-508. Epub 2003 Jul 17.

The pharmacology and clinical pharmacology of 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA, "ecstasy").

Green AR, Mechan AO, Elliott JM, O'Shea E, Colado MI.

The amphetamine derivative (+/-)-3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA, ecstasy) is a popular recreational drug among young people, particularly those involved in the dance culture. MDMA produces an acute, rapid enhancement in the release of both serotonin (5-HT) and dopamine from nerve endings in the brains of experimental animals. It produces increased locomotor activity and the serotonin behavioral syndrome in rats. Crucially, it produces dose-dependent hyperthermia that is potentially fatal in rodents, primates, and humans. Some recovery of 5-HT stores can be seen within 24 h of MDMA administration. However, cerebral 5-HT concentrations then decline due to specific neurotoxic damage to 5-HT nerve endings in the forebrain. This neurodegeneration, which has been demonstrated both biochemically and histologically, lasts for months in rats and years in primates. In general, other neurotransmitters appear unaffected. In contrast, MDMA produces a selective long-term loss of dopamine nerve endings in mice. Studies on the mechanisms involved in the neurotoxicity in both rats and mice implicate the formation of tissue-damaging free radicals. Increased free radical formation may result from the further breakdown of MDMA metabolic products. Evidence for the occurrence of MDMA-induced neurotoxic damage in human users remains equivocal, although some biochemical and functional data suggest that damage may occur in the brains of heavy users. There is also some evidence for long-term physiological and psychological changes occurring in human recreational users. However, such evidence is complicated by the lack of knowledge of doses ingested and the fact that many subjects studied are or have been poly-drug users.
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Hum Psychopharmacol. 2001 Dec;16(8):557-577. Related Articles, Links


Human psychopharmacology of Ecstasy (MDMA): a review of 15 years of empirical research.

Parrott AC.

Department of Psychology, University of East London, UK.

MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine) or 'Ecstasy' was scheduled as an illegal drug in 1986, but since then its recreational use has increased dramatically. This review covers 15 years of research into patterns of use, its acute psychological and physiological effects, and the long-term consequences of repeated use. MDMA is an indirect monoaminergic agonist, stimulating the release and inhibiting the reuptake of serotonin (5-HT) and, to a lesser extent, other neurotransmitters. Single doses of MDMA have been administered to human volunteers in double-blind placebo-controlled trials, although most findings are based upon recreational MDMA users. The 'massive' boost in neurotransmitter activity can generate intense feelings of elation and pleasure, also hyperactivity and hyperthermia. This psychophysiological arousal may be exacerbated by high ambient temperatures, overcrowding, prolonged dancing and other stimulant drugs. Occasionally the 'serotonin syndrome' reactions may prove fatal. In the days after Ecstasy use, around 80% of users report rebound depression and lethargy, due probably to monoaminergic depletion. Dosage escalation and chronic pharmacodynamic tolerance typically occur in regular users. Repeated doses of MDMA cause serotonergic neurotoxicity in laboratory animals, and there is extensive evidence for long-term neuropsychopharmacological damage in humans. Abstinent regular Ecstasy users often display reduced levels of 5-HT, 5-HIAA, tryptophan hydroxylase and serotonin transporter density; functional deficits in learning/memory, higher cognitive processing, sleep, appetite and psychiatric well-being, and, most paradoxically, 'loss of sexual interest/pleasure'. These psychobiological deficits are greatest in heavy Ecstasy users and may reflect serotonergic axonal loss in the higher brain regions, especially the frontal lobes, temporal lobes and hippocampus. These problems seem to remain long after the recreational use of Ecstasy has ceased, suggesting that the neuropharmacological damage may be permament. Copyright 2001 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.
 
Believe it or not, it take's more mdma to cause "permanant" brain dammage than what is believed... although, if you get 100% real mdma and you just have to try it, then be sure that you take the following advise to help prevent any of the side effect's (assuming you are a healthy individual):

The way that the "dammage" was found to happen when you take "X", is it basically causes the floodgate's of your seratonin to open and that's where the pleasure come's from. When your brain run's out of seratonin, the seratonin receptor's have to have something attached to it, so it allow's used dopamine (oxidized free radical's)...and this is what causes the dammage...oxidation. If you take some alpha-lipoic acid, 5-htp, and any other type of anti-oxidant's and serotonan stimulator's (not releaser's), it has been shown to completely stop the brain damaging effect's, in clinical studies... now of course, you'll never hear this on the new's for obvious reason's...

It's also important to drink plenty of water for hydration and juice for the vit. C).

Since it's hard to come by real legitamate mdma, you should go for some good'ole GHB... no come down's (as long as you don't use it everyday), you wake up refreshed, your able to get to sleep in the first place, and it even has some health benefits on top of being non-toxic, and you don't have to take any of the precaution's stated above...all for what I find to be just as "fun" as Xtacy...

It's just not worth the risk of getting some dangerous "bunk" X, containing stuff other than mdma.

Peace
 
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