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Just out of curiosity what are everyones thoughts on God and a higher power here.

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Fair enough. Die hard atheist here. I
can't believe how stupid people are to believe in God. You're all sheep. The good news is that we are winning. Christian enrollment is down and the number of atheists is growing every day. Use your head!
 
The proof that there is a "God" or a sort of "Creator" is evident everywhere we look. God created physics, time, space, the universe, energy, DNA, life, evolution, life cycles and every atom that composes all of it, along with every particle and dimension. He created so much wonder that we are just now beginning to truly understand the very atoms that we have been made out of our whole lives and even alternate dimensions are mathematically possible... It may take us another 300 years and 10 generations to unravel the mathematics that will explain the wonders in our own universe. That is as much as I know about God - I don't subscribe or believe God will be found in any book or story written by men, those stories have only served to explain "existence" to the masses, back when humanity was very young we didn't yet make Particle Accelerators and other cool gadgets that would help us truly discover God in every particle of our being.

That all being said, my faith and part of feeling God in my heart has more to do with the feeling and results I get from helping others. My own religiousness and faith is completely centered around my striving to be a good Brother, one who truly cares about others and tries to create opportunities for all I meet. My Brother's keeper!
It has worked out for me my entire life and continues to open doors every day, not just logical cause-and-effect stuff, but really "Hand of God" type of results where I can see direct results and "rewards" from the good deeds I put out into the world. Foes become vanquished before the first sword is raised, the seas part in front of me and dry land marks my path - even at my worse times of doubt and despair where others may question their faith and feel abandoned, I find I always learn something new from the experience and then again God reaches down and pulls me out of there once my lesson is engraved in me for life. What I thought to have been the worst times of my life, have actually taught me all of the important things I needed to know to make my coming days and years better.

I just feel God in my heart and Thank him every single day for making me who I am. I look, talk and walk just the way God intended me to, and I love being who I am every day and I'm Thnakful to God he built me to be the man who's words carry weight among his peers. My life is just perfect and has always been just right, for a long time I doubted God and didn't quite follow his plan for me, but years heave taught me to just wake up every day ready to work harder for a better tomorrow, and God will just take care of every obstacle and danger along the road, and if despair does cross my way, that I'm being taught a good lesson and being Forged to be stronger like steel needs to be in the high heat to get stronger.

I don't really have a religion and I don't really practice any ritualized communications with God, I don't really follow any of the religious calendars. I do get on my knees and pray when I need to give thanks for my blessings, but I found my best way to praise God is to continue to be my Brother's keeper and continue to be a key person in the lives of all those that know me. In my professional as in my personal life I strive to be the best and uplift others, have respect for others empathy for them and their plights, their well being and their family's. Everything will just work out fine in my life as long and I'm good others and work hard every single day.

Yes there is an afterlife, and we do look back at momentary pain and suffering as a short experience that was just a blink in eternity. For those who think God doesn't exist because some people suffer pain and others die young, you must think of that pain as just a moment in time that becomes irrelevant when compared to eternity. If a person dies a painful death, the pain will not carry on in eternity, it stays here in this world and becomes a tiny memory of a really short part of the life of our Eternal Soul... In the end, judgement day will be ourselves looking back at our lives and having to justify how we lived it and what we did with our time. Will we complain about the chances we didn't have, or will we brag to eternity of the great things we accomplished with a humble start? - Will we look back an hold a grudge against the people who came along and hurt us, or will we shine bright in the memory of all those we went out of our way to help? - The real judgment day starts today, cause you won't get today back and that may be your burden to carry for eternity, wasting this life on indulgence and greed, when you could have spent it in devotion and charity.



-BRR

Extremely well said my brother..

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If I believe in a god who created everything (which I surely do), then I dang sure don't believe I am smarter than him. Or, that he can be "proven" to exist or not exist. It is beyond human comprehension. You can't be 'saved' by knowledge. Because in doing so it would defeat the whole purpose of what faith is. If god was proved to be real i'd probably lose faith. Because that would mean the almighty omnipotent god that i worship can be figured out by man and our primative brains? The bible says all mans knowledge is foolishness to God. I believe that to be true, which is why I don't feel the need to prove anything one way or another.

That is what I believe. I am not forcing or even asking anyone to believe the same thing. I would never call anyone 'stupid' for what they choose to believe, like our immature friend a few posts above.

I do appreciate the thread need2. And also the way the EF brethren have responded. Which for the most part has been honest and respectful. I have seen comments from all sides of the aisle. No need to attack each other.

Blessings to you my bros - all colors and all religions, I have love for you all.
 
Before I start just want to make it clear: the same God Jewish and Christian believe in is the same God what Muslims believe, however in English you can say God, Lord, Elohim... etc but in Arabic God has 99 names and the must popular name is Allah or Allaah.



Finding out about Allaah is in tune with the sound fitrah (natural inclinations of man) and with sound reasoning. How many there are who, once the truth becomes clear to them, they hasten to submit to Allaah (enter Islam). If each one of us was to do his duty towards his religion, a great deal of good would be achieved. So we congratulate you, our brother, for undertaking the mission of the Prophets and Messengers, and we give you the glad tidings of the great reward which you are promised, as your Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If Allaah were to guide one man at your hands, that would be better for you than red camels.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3/134; Muslim, 4/1872). “Red camels” are the best kind of camels.

Secondly:

With regard to proof of the existence of Allaah, it is obvious to anyone who ponders the matter, and there is no need for a lengthy discussion. When we ponder the matter, we find that it is divided into three categories: instinctive evidence, tangible evidence and shar’i (revelatory) evidence. We will explain that to you further, in sha Allaah.

1 – Instinctive evidence:


The instinctive evidence that God exists is the strongest of all evidence for those who are not led astray by the devils. Hence Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“So set you (O Muhammad) your face towards the religion (of pure Islamic Monotheism) Haneef (worship none but Allaah Alone). Allaah’s Fitrah (i.e. Allaah’s Islamic Monotheism) with which He has created mankind” [al-Room 30:30]

Man’s sound nature (fitrah) testifies to the existence of God and man cannot turn away from that unless the devils mislead him; whoever is misled by the devils may not recognize this evidence.”


Every person feels inside himself that he has a Lord and Creator, and he feels that he is in need of Him; if some major calamity befalls him he turns his hands, eyes and heart towards the heavens, seeking help from his Lord.

2 – Tangible evidence:

This refers to the things that exist in this universe; we see around us things that exist, such as trees, rocks, mankind, the earth, the heavens, seas, rivers…

If it is asked: these things are so many – who created them and is taking care of them?

The answer is that if these things came into being by accident, spontaneously and with no cause, then there is no one who knows how they were created, and that is one possibility. But there is another possibility, which is that these things created themselves and are taking care of themselves. And there is a third possibility, which is that there is Someone Who created them. When we look at these three possibilities, we find that the first and the second are impossible. If we reject the first and the second, then the third must be the one which is correct, which is that these things have a Creator Who created them, and that Creator is Allaah. This is what is stated in the Qur’aan, where Allaah says (what means):

“Were they created by nothing? Or were they themselves the creators?

Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Nay, but they have no firm Belief” [al-Toor 52:35]

Moreover, when were these mighty things created? For all these years, who is it that has decreed that they should remain in this world and has granted them the means of abiding?

The answer is, it is Allaah who has given to each thing that which is suited to it and will guarantee its survival. Do you not see the beautiful green plants; when Allaah cuts off their water supply, can they live? No, rather they become dry stalks. If you ponder all things you will find that they are dependent upon Allaah. Were it not for Allaah, nothing would remain.

And Allaah has created everything to do that for which it is suited. So camels, for example, are for riding. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Do they not see that We have created for them of what Our Hands have created, the cattle, so that they are their owners.

And We have subdued them unto them so that some of them they have for riding and some they eat” [Yaa-Seen 36:71-72]

Look at the camel and how Allaah has created it strong, with a strong back, so that it can be used for riding and it is able to endure harsh conditions which other animals cannot bear.

If you look at other creatures you will find that they are suited to the purposes for which they were created. Glory be to Allaah.

Examples of tangible evidence include the following:

When calamities befall people this points to the existence of the Creator, for example, when they call upon Allaah and Allaah responds to their prayer; this points to the existence of Allaah. Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said: “When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) prayed for rain, he said, ‘Allaahumma aghithnaa, Allaahumma aghithnaa (O Allaah, send us rain, O Allaah, send us rain).’ Then a cloud came and it started to rain before he had even come down from the minbar (pulpit). This points to the existence of the Creator.”

3 – Shar’i evidence:

All divinely-revealed laws point to existence of Allaah:

“All the divinely-revealed laws point to the existence of the Creator and to the perfect nature of His knowledge, wisdom and mercy, because these laws must have been prescribed by someone, and that Lawgiver is Allaah.”

With regard to your question: why did Allaah create us?

The answer is: so that we would worship Him, thank Him and remember Him, and do that which He has commanded us. You know that among mankind there are disbelievers and there are Muslims. This is because Allaah wants to test His slaves as to whether they will worship Him or worship others. That is after Allaah has showed the way to everyone. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Who has created death and life that He may test you which of you is best in deed” [al-Mulk 67:2]

“And I (Allaah) created not the jinn and mankind except that they should worship Me (Alone)” [al-Dhaariyaat 51:56]


However about One of the basic principles of Islam is to believe in the wisdom of the Lord in what He creates and commands, and in what He wills and decrees, in the sense that He does not create anything in vain and He does not decree anything in which there is not some benefit for His slaves. So everything that exists is His will and decree. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Allaah is the Creator of all things” [al-Ra’d 13:16]

His perfect wisdom decrees that He creates opposites, so He has created angels and devils, night and day, purity and impurity, good and ugly, and He has created good and evil. He created His slaves with differences in their bodies and minds, and in their strengths. He has made some rich and some poor, some healthy and some sickly, some wise and some foolish. By His wisdom, He tests them, and He tests some by means of others, to show who will be grateful and who will be ungrateful. Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):

“Verily, We have created man from Nutfah (drops) of mixed semen (sexual discharge of man and woman), in order to try him, so We made him hearer and seer.

Verily, We showed him the way, whether he be grateful or ungrateful” [al-Insaan 76:2]

“Who has created death and life that He may test you which of you is best in deed”

[al-Mulk 67:2]

When the sound believer sees disabled people, he recognizes the blessing that Allaah has bestowed upon him, so he gives thanks for His blessing, and He asks Him for good health. He knows that Allaah is Able to do all things.

People are incapable of comprehending Allaah’s wisdom. He cannot be questioned as to what He does , while they will be questioned. Glorified and exalted be He. Whatever you understand of His wisdom, believe in it, and whatever you cannot understand, say, “Allaah knows best and is most wise, and we know nothing except that which You have taught us, and He is the All-Knowing, Most Wise.”

Thank you all for taking the time reading


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Ha! Give me credit? No credit to give. I guess my point is, there are good people and there are bad people and it has nothing to do with a higher power. Since there is proof of a higher power I just don't see the sense in believing it. My only issue with those who feel they have a hand up on morality because of it. I had a friend tell me I would not be accepted in heaven unless I believ in Jesus. I told him, what about all the people who were taught to believ a different savior? Are they all condemned to hell? His answer -- "yes."

That's the shit that drives me a little nuts.

Also, I was abused by the nuns and priests in catholic school so I have a special kind of hatred for them. Sorry for the rant. We are what we've experienced.

I can completely understand your anger than bro.
 
Ya lets not do the whole arguing and or directing statements at each other. If you have done this already in this thread fine lets move on from it and from here on keep that kind of thing out of it. This is discussion about " your thoughts on the subject only" not your thoughts about people and others thoughts.. So lets keep it to that please and thank you.
 
The proof that there is a "God" or a sort of "Creator" is evident everywhere we look. God created physics, time, space, the universe, energy, DNA, life, evolution, life cycles and every atom that composes all of it, along with every particle and dimension. He created so much wonder that we are just now beginning to truly understand the very atoms that we have been made out of our whole lives and even alternate dimensions are mathematically possible... It may take us another 300 years and 10 generations to unravel the mathematics that will explain the wonders in our own universe. That is as much as I know about God - I don't subscribe or believe God will be found in any book or story written by men, those stories have only served to explain "existence" to the masses, back when humanity was very young we didn't yet make Particle Accelerators and other cool gadgets that would help us truly discover God in every particle of our being.

That all being said, my faith and part of feeling God in my heart has more to do with the feeling and results I get from helping others. My own religiousness and faith is completely centered around my striving to be a good Brother, one who truly cares about others and tries to create opportunities for all I meet. My Brother's keeper!
It has worked out for me my entire life and continues to open doors every day, not just logical cause-and-effect stuff, but really "Hand of God" type of results where I can see direct results and "rewards" from the good deeds I put out into the world. Foes become vanquished before the first sword is raised, the seas part in front of me and dry land marks my path - even at my worse times of doubt and despair where others may question their faith and feel abandoned, I find I always learn something new from the experience and then again God reaches down and pulls me out of there once my lesson is engraved in me for life. What I thought to have been the worst times of my life, have actually taught me all of the important things I needed to know to make my coming days and years better.

I just feel God in my heart and Thank him every single day for making me who I am. I look, talk and walk just the way God intended me to, and I love being who I am every day and I'm Thnakful to God he built me to be the man who's words carry weight among his peers. My life is just perfect and has always been just right, for a long time I doubted God and didn't quite follow his plan for me, but years heave taught me to just wake up every day ready to work harder for a better tomorrow, and God will just take care of every obstacle and danger along the road, and if despair does cross my way, that I'm being taught a good lesson and being Forged to be stronger like steel needs to be in the high heat to get stronger.

I don't really have a religion and I don't really practice any ritualized communications with God, I don't really follow any of the religious calendars. I do get on my knees and pray when I need to give thanks for my blessings, but I found my best way to praise God is to continue to be my Brother's keeper and continue to be a key person in the lives of all those that know me. In my professional as in my personal life I strive to be the best and uplift others, have respect for others empathy for them and their plights, their well being and their family's. Everything will just work out fine in my life as long and I'm good others and work hard every single day.

Yes there is an afterlife, and we do look back at momentary pain and suffering as a short experience that was just a blink in eternity. For those who think God doesn't exist because some people suffer pain and others die young, you must think of that pain as just a moment in time that becomes irrelevant when compared to eternity. If a person dies a painful death, the pain will not carry on in eternity, it stays here in this world and becomes a tiny memory of a really short part of the life of our Eternal Soul... In the end, judgement day will be ourselves looking back at our lives and having to justify how we lived it and what we did with our time. Will we complain about the chances we didn't have, or will we brag to eternity of the great things we accomplished with a humble start? - Will we look back an hold a grudge against the people who came along and hurt us, or will we shine bright in the memory of all those we went out of our way to help? - The real judgment day starts today, cause you won't get today back and that may be your burden to carry for eternity, wasting this life on indulgence and greed, when you could have spent it in devotion and charity.



-BRR
Man ya stole just about everything I was going to get around to posting lolol... This is what I strive for in my life ^^^ this is perfect.
 
What do you guys think about other earth like planets? astronomers have already found dozens. And they suspect that there's life on them and water, and vegetation and a moon...

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