Just how effective is HCG to prevent suppression?

[squat till ya drop]

In theory, Hcg is an awsome and vital requirement of any cycle, in my eyes. I cant understand why some people run gear without it, and even stranger... people using high amounts in pct only!

But I want to know how good it worked for you to prevent suppression on a lengthy cycle? Obviously not prevent, would help counteract it. Basically why im asking is because I intend on running test in the future BUT allready have test levels on the low side of the scale, im 22 by the way. Now from what ive read and heard over the years, is that the more shut down you become on cycle, the harder it is to FULLY recover back to baseline. I.e loosing a small amount of natty hormones every time u run a course. Obv this is a necessity for me, as I cant afford to loose any natural test. Do you think by running an appropriate amount of HCG, it could benefit me in this respect, and trick my body into not loosing out in the long run? I no there will be some smart asses who say 'you will allways get shut down no matter what '. but remember there is a HUGE difference from being slightly suppressed and being 'shut down'. A 4 MONTH CYCLE OF DECA WILL SHUT U DOWN. A month cycle of tbol will SUPRESS you. Massive difference that some people struggle to remember.

 

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[badboybounce]

hcg will not stop u shuttin down it does nothing for ur pituitary so no matter wat hcg u take u will shut down it only mimicks lh to balls so keep ur boys plump but u can only trick human nature so many times,hmg will work better

 

[rage22]

Don't run hcg in pct period. Thats retarded. It will keep you from recovering. The guys that do are recovering in spite of this.

Run hcg @ 250iu 2x ew for 4 weeks on cycle then alternate to hcgenerate for 4 weeks. Then back to hcg for the next 4.

This will allow the body to not become desensitized.

You can run up to 500iu of hcg per shot but I have never felt the need. My 12week test/mast cycle was extremely smooth and I came back to baseline quickly. Nuts hardly if at all shrank. Lh and fsh will shut down almost immediately after you inject the first shot. You body reads that there is enough estrogen from the test converting and in turn stops the production of lh and fsh, hence your balls shrink normally without hcg. That's shutdown.

W hcg your balls will continue to produce a small amount of test. Once off cycle and your body realizes that test has fallen it will begin to produce lh and fsh... In turn telling the lyedig cells to produce test... And once this stabilizes you are back. We aid this process with a pct. test boosters and the like.

This reason is why long cycles are not the best regardless of what people say. Your pituitary will also atrophy just like anything else that is not used long term. So keep cycles to 3mths and less to avoid hard shutdowns of the hpta.

Does this answer some of your questions?

And yes running hcg and hcgenerate will keep you from shutting down so "hard" if you will. It really just keeps the boys going. You are still technically shut down because lh and fsh is at 0 while on cycle.

 

[squat till ya drop]

Don't run hcg in pct period. Thats retarded. It will keep you from recovering. The guys that do are recovering in spite of this.

Run hcg @ 250iu 2x ew for 4 weeks on cycle then alternate to hcgenerate for 4 weeks. Then back to hcg for the next 4.

This will allow the body to not become desensitized.

You can run up to 500iu of hcg per shot but I have never felt the need. My 12week test/mast cycle was extremely smooth and I came back to baseline quickly. Nuts hardly if at all shrank. Lh and fsh will shut down almost immediately after you inject the first shot. You body reads that there is enough estrogen from the test converting and in turn stops the production of lh and fsh, hence your balls shrink normally without hcg. That's shutdown.

W hcg your balls will continue to produce a small amount of test. Once off cycle and your body realizes that test has fallen it will begin to produce lh and fsh... In turn telling the lyedig cells to produce test... And once this stabilizes you are back. We aid this process with a pct. test boosters and the like.

This reason is why long cycles are not the best regardless of what people say. Your pituitary will also atrophy just like anything else that is not used long term. So keep cycles to 3mths and less to avoid hard shutdowns of the hpta.

Does this answer some of your questions?

And yes running hcg and hcgenerate will keep you from shutting down so "hard" if you will. It really just keeps the boys going. You are still technically shut down because lh and fsh is at 0 while on cycle.

Thanks for the reply. Yes it makes sense. I guess what I rly wanted to no is how much test the hcg would allow u to produce on cycle. Therefore less impact on the endocrine system

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[digit0x]

Thanks for the reply. Yes it makes sense. I guess what I rly wanted to no is how much test the hcg would allow u to produce on cycle. Therefore less impact on the endocrine system

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Only as much as the body can produce. It wouldn't be much higher than homeostasis.

 

[Nelson Montana]

It isn't. It just elevates LH temporarily.

 

[Nelson Montana]

This reason is why long cycles are not the best regardless of what people say. Your pituitary will also atrophy just like anything else that is not used long term. So keep cycles to 3mths and less to avoid hard shutdowns of the hpta.

Does this answer some of your questions?

And yes running hcg and hcgenerate will keep you from shutting down so "hard" if you will. It really just keeps the boys going. You are still technically shut down because lh and fsh is at 0 while on cycle.[/QUOTE]

3 months is pretty long bro. Anything longer than 2 months with dosages near a gram and your LH will be at zero.

 

[Zyglamail]

Thanks for the reply. Yes it makes sense. I guess what I rly wanted to no is how much test the hcg would allow u to produce on cycle. Therefore less impact on the endocrine system

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IT DOES NOT affect the AAS impact on the endocrine system period.
Here is an oversimplification for you....

When you take AAS your not just stopping test production your stopping the hormones that cause test to be released. HCG mimicks one of these hormones that causes test to be released. So in a sense it also adds to the overall endocrine impact to a degree BUT it causes the testes to release test which can help post cycle because it will reduce testicular atrophy from lack of use.

 

[rage22]

If you want take a look at my test cyp log I just did. It's 6 pages and will give you the exact dosages and protocols I followed. If you do it exactly as i did you will have a great experience I promise you that.

 

[UA_Iron]

This reason is why long cycles are not the best regardless of what people say. Your pituitary will also atrophy just like anything else that is not used long term. So keep cycles to 3mths and less to avoid hard shutdowns of the hpta.

Does this answer some of your questions?

And yes running hcg and hcgenerate will keep you from shutting down so "hard" if you will. It really just keeps the boys going. You are still technically shut down because lh and fsh is at 0 while on cycle.

They're the best for muscle growth, old man. Not the best for recovery.

 

[squat till ya drop]

IT DOES NOT affect the AAS impact on the endocrine system period.
Here is an oversimplification for you....

When you take AAS your not just stopping test production your stopping the hormones that cause test to be released. HCG mimicks one of these hormones that causes test to be released. So in a sense it also adds to the overall endocrine impact to a degree BUT it causes the testes to release test which can help post cycle because it will reduce testicular atrophy from lack of use.

Damn :-( this is what I didnt want to hear

 

[nickb86]

i alway alternate between the hcgenerate and HCG like some one else said earlier works a treat and stops the body getting used to anything, i would nt cycle without either of them but thats me.

 

[Nelson Montana]

They're the best for muscle growth, old man. Not the best for recovery.

The original question was regarding suppression. Don't be an asshole.

 

[stevesmi]

until the AAS is out of your system your body won't be able to pick up.

as nelson said hcg will temporarily boost your LH. yes it works and its a godsend to a modern pct. i would never run a cycle of 6 weeks or more without it being used end of cycle and as a kickstart to pct. use HMG and hcgenerate as well as a triple stack before pct and your recovery will be seamless

try it yourself and you will see a huge difference