jumpstarted cycle

[jdubbster]

I'm running a 12 week test cycle ( cypionate 300 mg ) with injections ranging from every 7-10 days. My first test injection was Tuesday and my buddy thought it would be a good idea to jumpstart the madness by throwing some E.Q. into the mix on a weekly basis. So yesterday I added 2-cc's of E.Q. into my cycle to give me a bit of a jumpstart. Man, I could feel that stuff pretty quickly. I mean I really wasn't too sure because I know that 2-cc's is alot, and this is my first "stacking cycle". My protocol is to load the first shot of the E.Q. in the front end of the cycle and then lower the dosage weekly to about 250 and run weekly injections of the E.Q. until week 4 or 6. What do you guys think about this idea? Was I dumb as hell to load 2cc's of E.Q. so close to my first test shot which was Tuesday?

 

[njmuscleguy]

I'm running a 12 week test cycle ( cypionate 300 mg ) with injections ranging from every 7-10 days. My first test injection was Tuesday and my buddy thought it would be a good idea to jumpstart the madness by throwing some E.Q. into the mix on a weekly basis. So yesterday I added 2-cc's of E.Q. into my cycle to give me a bit of a jumpstart. Man, I could feel that stuff pretty quickly. I mean I really wasn't too sure because I know that 2-cc's is alot, and this is my first "stacking cycle". My protocol is to load the first shot of the E.Q. in the front end of the cycle and then lower the dosage weekly to about 250 and run weekly injections of the E.Q. until week 4 or 6. What do you guys think about this idea? Was I dumb as hell to load 2cc's of E.Q. so close to my first test shot which was Tuesday?

Is this your first cycle? And what are your stats/goals?
More importantly, I think you and your buddy need to do alot more research.

The idea of kickstarting with certain AAS while running longer esters like test cyp is a good one....but using something like EQ to kickstart *isn't* a good idea.... EQ takes quite a long time to start taking effect... I don't know of anyone that starting feeling anything immediately after their first EQ inject...most people run EQ for a minimum of 12-14 weeks because they don't start noticing results until at least 6-8 weeks in.... the best / most common AAS to "kickstart" with is either test prop (fast-acting ester) or orals such as tbol and dbol.

Next, you can run more than one AAS together...2-3 cc's is ok

If this is your first cycle, stick with test only.... and I would bump it to 2 shots per week (500mg / week is a good amount)... run this for 10-12 weeks.... you'll definitely see some great gains. Also make sure to run an anti-estrogen such as AIFM or Aromasin, to control the bloat and prevent gyno symptoms. Also be sure you have a good PCT lined up once you're done (HCG + Nolvadex + AI)

A good next cycle example would be:
Wks 1-4 Tbol 50mg ED
Wks 1-10 Test (cyp or enth) 500 mg / wk

Once you get more experience, you can start experimenting with different substances, dosages, etc.

Good luck bro...stick around and try to learn as much as possible!

 

[AhMadKooL]

From what i understand your talking about front loading right? If thats the case then the answer is yes many people do front load... But tell us how many mg of EQ is in a ml. Also it's better to split the shots to two injections per week

 

[immortalis]

....but using something like EQ to kickstart *isn't* a good idea.... EQ takes quite a long time to start taking effect... I don't know of anyone that starting feeling anything immediately after their first EQ inject...most people run EQ for a minimum of 12-14 weeks because they don't start noticing results until at least 6-8 weeks in.... the best / most commong AAS to "kickstart" with is either test prop (fast-acting ester) or orals such as tbol and dbol.

What he said

 

[njmuscleguy]

From what i understand your talking about front loading right? If thats the case then the answer is yes many people do front load... But tell us how many mg of EQ is in a ml. Also it's better to split the shots to two injections per week

I understood it as he's trying to kickstart his cycle with something other than test since test cyp is a longer-acting ester.... if he was frontloading, then it wouldn't be with EQ, it would be with the test

 

[jdubbster]

Is this your first cycle? And what are your stats/goals?
More importantly, I think you and your buddy need to do alot more research.

The idea of kickstarting with certain AAS while running longer esters like test cyp is a good one....but using something like EQ to kickstart *isn't* a good idea.... EQ takes quite a long time to start taking effect... I don't know of anyone that starting feeling anything immediately after their first EQ inject...most people run EQ for a minimum of 12-14 weeks because they don't start noticing results until at least 6-8 weeks in.... the best / most common AAS to "kickstart" with is either test prop (fast-acting ester) or orals such as tbol and dbol.

Next, you can run more than one AAS together...2-3 cc's is ok

If this is your first cycle, stick with test only.... and I would bump it to 2 shots per week (500mg / week is a good amount)... run this for 10-12 weeks.... you'll definitely see some great gains. Also make sure to run an anti-estrogen such as AIFM or Aromasin, to control the bloat and prevent gyno symptoms. Also be sure you have a good PCT lined up once you're done (HCG + Nolvadex + AI)

A good next cycle example would be:
Wks 1-4 Tbol 50mg ED
Wks 1-10 Test (cyp or enth) 500 mg / wk

Once you get more experience, you can start experimenting with different substances, dosages, etc.

Good luck bro...stick around and try to learn as much as possible!

Your right. I do know that the E.Q. is not a great front loading agent and not generally or historically a product that has been used to frontload cycles for a "kickstart effect". I am actually using it to keep me hard and athletic through the duration of my cylce. This is my second cycle ... .I have one under my belt about a year ago. My plan is to run the test for 12 weeks at a about 300mg per week and run the E.Q. weekly as well for 6-8 weeks at about 250 mg per inject. Additionally, I've trained really hard for about 5 years . I'm 6-2 182-85 and a solid 7% body fat. I know that E.Q. isn't a loading agent but I guess I thought that frontloaded a higher dose 600mg may be of some assistance?

 

[njmuscleguy]

Your right. I do know that the E.Q. is not a great front loading agent and not generally or historically a product that has been used to frontload cycles for a "kickstart effect". I am actually using it to keep me hard and athletic through the duration of my cylce. This is my second cycle ... .I have one under my belt about a year ago. My plan is to run the test for 12 weeks at a about 300mg per week and run the E.Q. weekly as well for 6-8 weeks at about 250 mg per inject. Additionally, I've trained really hard for about 5 years . I'm 6-2 182-85 and a solid 7% body fat. I know that E.Q. isn't a loading agent but I guess I thought that frontloaded a higher dose 600mg may be of some assistance?

I think you're getting your wording mixed up.... kickstarting and frontloading are sort of different concepts.... sort of... you can frontload a substance and then taper down if it's a longer-acting ester (test cyp, EQ)... but if it's a kickstart you're looking for, simply to start noticing/feeling effects quickly, then EQ is not the way to go... you'd go with an oral or even test prop

if you're going to run both the test and EQ, that's fine... but 6-8 weeks will do little for you if anything at all.... run at least 12-14 weeks....and then run the test a week or two longer... also, most bros will say that 250mg / week of EQ is not enough... you'll want between 400-600 mg/ week

 

[jdubbster]

I think you're getting your wording mixed up.... kickstarting and frontloading are sort of different concepts.... sort of... you can frontload a substance and then taper down if it's a longer-acting ester (test cyp, EQ)... but if it's a kickstart you're looking for, simply to start noticing/feeling effects quickly, then EQ is not the way to go... you'd go with an oral or even test prop

if you're going to run both the test and EQ, that's fine... but 6-8 weeks will do little for you if anything at all.... run at least 12-14 weeks....and then run the test a week or two longer... also, most bros will say that 250mg / week of EQ is not enough... you'll want between 400-600 mg/ week

Your right.... I do know that getting a kickstart would only take place if you were probably taking something oral like a d-bol tab . But, I guess although I didn't get my wording confused I was hoping that "frontloading" the E.Q. would miraculously give me that kickstart that we all look forward to... Secondly, your correct again regarding the duration of time for best results for running a proper E.Q. regiment. I actually will run it for 12 weeks but I guess I felt guilty for admitting that I am actually going to be running it that long. I have a multidose vial and have enough to run the test 300 weekly 12 weeks+ E.Q. weekly 12 weeks and add stan/winstrol 50 ed weeks 8-12. That is actually what I meant to say.... I'm at work and multi-tasking ... I hope that sounds like a better regiment?