juicing in the NFL

[stevesmi]

I've always wondered with the strict testing and expensive penalties do NFL players manage to juice anyway and not get caught? what percentage do you think juice?

as far as I know it is legal to do HGH in the NFL right? but i hear those rules are changing.. does that mean a huge percentage are on growth hormone?

did Walter Paytons health problems stem from steroid use?

 

[big_daws]

I have a personal story about this...

One of my very close friends has played for both the Giants and the Broncos. When we was a rookie (undrafted free agent) he played a few months for the Giants. His locker was right next to Michael Strahan's. My buddy is a monster 6"3 300 and never juiced up to that point. The pros know when their drug tests are. Strahan would pay my buddy $1000 to piss his clean urine in a cup and give it to him. He would then have somebody inject the clean urine into his empty bladder. When it came time for the drug test, he would then piss the clean urine. According to him this happens ALL the time. He is a very reliable source, ive known him for years and he would have no reason to lie.

 

[rambleon]

Even tho urine is sterile that seems risky. Injecting another man's urine??? EEEEW!

I don't think they have to go to such lengths at all. Hell the NFL WANTS them juiced to the gills. Makes for better tv and thereby more advertising money. I think they probably get warned with time to spare to clean up if they stick to short chain stuff.

Just to make my own opinion clear: I want them to juice as much as they want as well. I Like my football HARD. Being part of the steeler nation and all.

 

[Boxingheels]

I have a personal story about this...

One of my very close friends has played for both the Giants and the Broncos. When we was a rookie (undrafted free agent) he played a few months for the Giants. His locker was right next to Michael Strahan's. My buddy is a monster 6"3 300 and never juiced up to that point. The pros know when their drug tests are. Strahan would pay my buddy $1000 to piss his clean urine in a cup and give it to him. He would then have somebody inject the clean urine into his empty bladder. When it came time for the drug test, he would then piss the clean urine. According to him this happens ALL the time. He is a very reliable source, ive known him for years and he would have no reason to lie.

Bro that is from a movie. Rent "The Program" its about college football.

 

[big_daws]

Bro that is from a movie. Rent "The Program" its about college football.

Bro, it happens in real life too. I know it in the Program.

 

[big_daws]

My dude has so much inside info of what really goes on in the NFL, from players cheating on their wives all the time while they are in other cities to what they have to do to pass drug tests. Where do you think The Program got the idea from. It really happens.

 

[goal245]

i know they allow a test to estro ratio of 6:1, you can run a decent amount of test to reach that ratio especially if you dont take any AI.

 

[stevesmi]

sounds like it can be done but you would really need to hire a trusted person to monitor yourself and make sure you will come up clean.

I sure would do it.. we are talking millions of dollars.. and the NFL's policy is pretty leniant the first time... you get busted 2nd and 3rd times it starts costing you.. Jason Ferguson of the Phins is suspended half the season for it and its gonna cost him half his yearly salary

 

[ledhead]

I heard they tip the players off when their going to test! So they can get clean!
But every once in a while they random test to bust somebody so they look good.

 

[needtogetaas]

I've always wondered with the strict testing and expensive penalties do NFL players manage to juice anyway and not get caught? what percentage do you think juice?

as far as I know it is legal to do HGH in the NFL right? but i hear those rules are changing.. does that mean a huge percentage are on growth hormone?

did Walter Paytons health problems stem from steroid use?

Did his health problems stem from eating triple cheese burgers too? all football players are on steroids all of them. if the answer to that question was yes then all of them should have health problems right now

 

[Rickdarula]

i know they allow a test to estro ratio of 6:1, you can run a decent amount of test to reach that ratio especially if you dont take any AI.

That's test to epitest ratio not estrogen bro.

Running high doses of T, you just offset with some endogenous epitest before your piss test. From what I've read it's hard to come by, but for pro athletes and all the money involved....no problemo!!

In the back of my mind though. I'm thinking the NFL tests about as hard as the WWE and the Mr. Olympia contest. I mean C'MON!!, you have to juice just to survive in the pro's.

 

[Power36]

Of course college and professional athletes juice-all the time...anyone who knows or played D-I, and hell even those cr azy D-III bastards who dont get ltested, juice like mad..and not just football...and hell yea folks I know of in the league juice, smoke pot, do coke, and do plenty of other stuff that doesnt make much for good role models (meaning the cheating on their wives or doing other ridiculous things).

 

[stevesmi]

okay so everyone seems to agree that NFL players juice.

forgive my ignorance but now my question is how come most don't get caught?

 

[Rickdarula]

okay so everyone seems to agree that NFL players juice.

forgive my ignorance but now my question is how come most don't get caught?

See my post above. When big money and politics are involved, the same rules don't apply. They SAY that the players are all strictly tested, but it's a facade and the reality is they make the rules so they can bend the rules to get any result they want.

Let me guess. You like pro wrestling and think it's real right? LOL

 

[stevesmi]

See my post above. When big money and politics are involved, the same rules don't apply. They SAY that the players are all strictly tested, but it's a facade and the reality is they make the rules so they can bend the rules to get any result they want.

Let me guess. You like pro wrestling and think it's real right? LOL

wow, why the cheap shot? read the rules, flaming other posters is against the rules my friend.

sorry if my question is dumb to you, i know you are much more smarter then me and you probably played in the NFL and are headed to the hall of fame so i apologize for even asking this question and offending you..

but again you fail to answer my question without any hard data to prove it. there are several NFL players who are suspended including Jason Ferguson for using banned substances, so again I ask why aren't more players suspended.


I UNDERSTAND NFL PLAYERS JUICE, MY QUESTION IS HOW DO THEY AVOID BEING CAUGHT.. and why did Ferguson manage to get suspended half the season. and dont say its a conspiracy cause you only make yourself look like one of those truthers or birther types who think everything is a conspiracy. I guess one of the top NT's in the game didn't get in on the conspiracy huh?

a logical answer is probably they know when they are gonna be tested so juice with something they know will not show up when the test comes out. if that is the case what kind of steroid are they using.

I am a huge NFL fan and I have season tickets and 50 yard line expensive seats and I fork over a ton of money on travels and expenses to see these amazing athletes play and I have the upmost respect for their abilities.. and this is a very important issue for me, if it sounds dumb to you then dont click the thread next time. cheers

 

[stevesmi]

maybe I should clarify what I wrote. seems like some of you are not following what I am asking or think I am trying to argue that NFL players dont juice or something or another. I am not argueing so lets please stop being so insecure about a simple question.

I wasn't asking how many NFL HAD taken steroids.. obviously the answer to that is probably 95% with the exception of guys like Tim Tebow who follow the rules to a tee. I am asking how many CURRENTLY juice and how they do not get caught. I have read that the NFL only tests during preseason cause the NFLPA doesn't allow their players to get more tested, that might tie into what rick was saying about a conspiracy and politics of the league. and then you have guys like Shawn Merriman who tested positive for deca which is in the system for 18 months..

PS i weightlifted competitively in high school and was 8th in the state of FL my senior year and I did not juice nor did my teammates I can assure you unless I totally was ridiculously out of the loop.. but I would wager with the internet, that today those high school kids probably juice, I am not that naive.

 

[ALIN]

I've always wondered with the strict testing and expensive penalties do NFL players manage to juice anyway and not get caught? what percentage do you think juice?

as far as I know it is legal to do HGH in the NFL right? but i hear those rules are changing.. does that mean a huge percentage are on growth hormone?

did Walter Paytons health problems stem from steroid use?

Just look at the size and condition of some of these guys.
Sure they are elite athletes with extreme genetics,,but dont
fool yourself thinking these guys are all natural.

 

[Rickdarula]

wow, why the cheap shot? read the rules, flaming other posters is against the rules my friend.

sorry if my question is dumb to you, i know you are much more smarter then me and you probably played in the NFL and are headed to the hall of fame so i apologize for even asking this question and offending you..

but again you fail to answer my question without any hard data to prove it. there are several NFL players who are suspended including Jason Ferguson for using banned substances, so again I ask why aren't more players suspended.


I UNDERSTAND NFL PLAYERS JUICE, MY QUESTION IS HOW DO THEY AVOID BEING CAUGHT.. and why did Ferguson manage to get suspended half the season. and dont say its a conspiracy cause you only make yourself look like one of those truthers or birther types who think everything is a conspiracy. I guess one of the top NT's in the game didn't get in on the conspiracy huh?

a logical answer is probably they know when they are gonna be tested so juice with something they know will not show up when the test comes out. if that is the case what kind of steroid are they using.

I am a huge NFL fan and I have season tickets and 50 yard line expensive seats and I fork over a ton of money on travels and expenses to see these amazing athletes play and I have the upmost respect for their abilities.. and this is a very important issue for me, if it sounds dumb to you then dont click the thread next time. cheers

Lighten up Stevo, I was just being a tad sarcastic

I have no doubt that being in the NFL is like anything else. You have the newbs and then you have the vets. It's all about relationships and who you know, what group your close with just like anywhere else. What player X can get away with has no bearing on what Joe rookie can't get away with. It takes time for relationships to form and you have to exert common sense and self control at times. Maybe the NFL has to slap a newb on the pee pee once in awhile to give the impression that they are "doing something"...who knows.

The bottom line is that anabolics go hand in hand in top level sports. Weather it's the NFL, Olympic games, MMA or professional body building. They all claim to test, yet only a fraction seem to be detected....you just have to read between the lines to understand what's going on.

 

[Bloodgame3]

dude jason ferg has been in the NFL for like 15 years he is no noob lol

 

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I have a personal story about this...

One of my very close friends has played for both the Giants and the Broncos. When we was a rookie (undrafted free agent) he played a few months for the Giants. His locker was right next to Michael Strahan's. My buddy is a monster 6"3 300 and never juiced up to that point. The pros know when their drug tests are. Strahan would pay my buddy $1000 to piss his clean urine in a cup and give it to him. He would then have somebody inject the clean urine into his empty bladder. When it came time for the drug test, he would then piss the clean urine. According to him this happens ALL the time. He is a very reliable source, ive known him for years and he would have no reason to lie.

just curious did he say which other players juiced? I am curious to know

 

[stevesmi]

dude jason ferg has been in the NFL for like 15 years he is no noob lol

who said he was a noob?

ya lost me here.