jj or bjj for self defence? please help

[tyrant-X]

Hey guys, I have decided to take on some form of grappling to add to my kickboxing and I was just wondering which would be more effective in a street situation with possibly more than one opponent, I have always been told that bjj is awsome and way more effective in modern times but i just dont like the idea of rolling around on the pavement, I'd rather just be able to throw the other guy to the ground. My friend recently got in a street fight while i was with him, and although they both agreed it was a one on one fight the other guy had about 5 of his friends with him, If i were to find myself in his situation i would not want to go to the ground knowing that they could all run up and start kicking me. So I am starting to think that maybe traditional JJ would be the way to go, but i wouldnt have a clue. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

 

[Kwai-Chang Caine]

A JJ teacher will make you trash your kickboxing. A BJJ instructor will teach you how to compliment it. I would go with the BJJ if I were you. Kickboxing is a very simple yet effective art and you will want to retain the skills you learned in that discipline. A JJ instructor will want you to strike a completely different way. Also, regardless of how you feel about the BJJ philosophy, you're better off with it just based on the way that they practice. They train like they fight; full speed, full contact, full intensity. You won't find that at most JJ schools.

 

[tyrant-X]

but i want to be able to fight without going to the ground if possible

 

[Kwai-Chang Caine]

The best self defense maneuver in the world is a sprint bro. Fighting multiple opponents is stupid regardless of whether you are a grappler or a striker. Judo and JJ throws won't work any better for you than grappling could against more than one guy. You are better off using your kickboxing in case a situation like that ever arises.

Knowing how to fight on the ground will make you better prepared for 1 on 1 confrontations. Running is your best solution against multiple opponents.

 

[tyrant-X]

i agree, but i go to school with this guy guy and used to be friend with him so he knows where i live, and i'll look like a total pussy. His other friends probably wouldn't get involved but i can't be too sure, if i get into a 1 on 1 fight with him i'd rather be able to control him without fucking him up to much cuz the dude got friends in high places if ya know what i mean

 

[tyrant-X]

plus i can't run for shit

 

[Kwai-Chang Caine]

You're in a pretty f'ed up situation bro, but you need to swallow your pride. Looking like a pussy is way better than dying or getting beat down so bad that you have to spend some time in the ER. If you think your fight with this guy is going to be 1 on 1 then BJJ will be a far better weapon than JJ. Regardless of whether you are on your feet or standing if he has his friends get involved you are going to get your ass pounded on. And besides, this guy will be a lot more clueless on the ground than he will be standing.

 

[Thaibox]

A JJ teacher will make you trash your kickboxing. A BJJ instructor will teach you how to compliment it.

Well put

tyrant, if you don't want to fight on the ground, the best way to deal with that is to learn how to. If you don't know how, and the fight hits the ground, thats when the friends can jump in and pound you. If you're experienced on the ground, you can sprawl, counter and recover right into the faces of his buddies. Find a good MMA dojo if you can.

 

[tyrant-X]

ok thanks alot guys, i decided to try bjj and like it alot. I have a question though, the school I go to to learn bjj also teaches wrestling and the monthly amount i pay only alows me 2 lessons a week which includes wrestling classes. Is wrestling as effective as bjj? If so do you think i should have just 1 lesson a week on each or should i concentrate just on bjj and use my 2 lessons for that? if i did train in both, is one lesson a week enough to become proficient in the two? And if i only choose to train in one of the two which one is should i pick, wrestling or bjj??
thanks

 

[Kwai-Chang Caine]

Pay more and get the full load. 2 sesions per week of either isn't really that much, especially the BJJ. If I were you I would pay more and get unlimited classes a month, but if you can't and you must choose just one, I would choose BJJ.

 

[MadenHB]

What Academy? Instructors?

If you are set on choosing one, BJJ.

 

[tyrant-X]

but if i knew wrestling i could suplex the bastard on the pavement then pick him up for an airoplane spin, lol

 

[yungsmoke]

you just gots to knoe were to hit man. pressure points an stuff

an be quick with your feet an hands

 

[The_LaDiEs_MaN]

In my opinion you should NOT mix BJJ with kickboxing, if your looking for self defense, no holds barred defense.. your best bet is arts i'm sure you have never heard of.. they involve a lot of joint and bone manipulation... basically SEAL training, they teach you CONSISTENCY, BJJ and American Kickboxing will not teach you this, the key to taking down multiple opponents, e-mail me for more info.

 

[Thaibox]

In my opinion you should NOT mix BJJ with kickboxing, if your looking for self defense, no holds barred defense.. your best bet is arts i'm sure you have never heard of.. they involve a lot of joint and bone manipulation... basically SEAL training, they teach you CONSISTENCY, BJJ and American Kickboxing will not teach you this, the key to taking down multiple opponents, e-mail me for more info.

SEAL training(hand to hand) is a joke. My best friend is based in Coronado and I go down to drink with him and his team buddies a lot. They all know that I'm a fighter, so they always like to scrap with me. Needless to say, a lot of alchohol and tons of test, we pound the shit out of eachother. I've never lost to a SEAL. Well, I tapped out twice to one guy who was a Judo instructor prior to being in the teams. They've showed me the shit they are taught, and its efficient and practical, but it does not stand up to what you learn in a NHB dojo. You clearly have bought some video cassette series about "SEAL hand to hand combat" or some shit, because it doesn't sound like you've ever done any real mat/ring time.

 

[The_LaDiEs_MaN]

Apparently you know nothing about Reality based street fighting, where knifes and other weapons could be involved.. in a street situation involving a knife, Muay Thai or any grappling art will do no good.. all of those arts are based on ring tournament scrapping with rules.. Mike Gillette taught my dad for a few years when he was a Ranger, and there is a fine line between sports arts and combat arts. Later.



http://martialarts.mybravenet.com/instruct.htm

 

[Thaibox]

Apparently you know nothing about Reality based street fighting, where knifes and other weapons could be involved..

Umm, okay. I've studied 7 different arts over the last 20 years. I taught gun/knife disarms at an NHB dojo. I have been training in NHB for several years now. I have incorporated Tony Blauer's tactical training style and, before a recent injury, spent several hours a day training in practical application with several fighters from various styles. We trained on mats, on cement, on stairs, in phone booths, with knives, with red guns, with simunition, with live firearms, with kali sticks, and more. I have built a full size ring in my back yard, a CQB cage, and several open fighting areas of varying surfaces. Fighting is my life and I proudly put 100% of myself into it and into training others. DO NOT come on here with your lazy man's book and video tape bullshit and disrespect me by saying things like this. The link you gave is for books and tapes, yeah, you clearly know a considerable amount about "reality based street fighting," sitting on your couch sucking your coors light and reading tough guy books. Stop wasting my goddamn time "ladies man" ]

 

[The_LaDiEs_MaN]

I don't care, there is a fine line between tournament fighting, and street fighting.. and if you think a Muay Thai / grappling practioner can overcome a hand-to-hand combat expert who trains with reality based street fighting your going to be wrong 9 out of 10 times. You've practiced and studies for years, I see.. That does not mean a whole lot. And by saying small talk about video tape bullshit and me suckin on a coors light.. Bud for one, You have not learned the keys to on overall fighter, Self discpline, honor, and integrity by saying small talk like that... And if your going to be judging me, well expect to be judged back.. that link is Scott Stansell's website, who is currently my sensei..Flipping off is a good example of immaturity showed by you brother.. Training is not all physical but mental, i would say 60/40... 60% being mental, 40% physical.. You show no mental aspects of training brother. We all have our opinions though, so hey.. you can believe what you want and have your own opinions, if everyone in this world had the same opinions, well.. this world would be quite boring. So more power to ya.

 

[Thaibox]

Find one other thread on this entire board where I had an "immature" attitude. I'm getting really tired of people spouting off like you've been training your whole damn life. I show no mental aspects of training? You can tell this from a conversation thread eh? I teach philosophy, so I am more than use to agreeing to disagree and respecting other people's opinions. However, when you come on here and say how I have no self-discipline, honor, or integrity based upon my words. That is direspecting me again. You think language is symbolic of these qualities? You should hear me swear in front of my students. You're right, I show no mental aspects of training, I've only trained virtually every day of my entire life and studying eastern philosophy every night of my life so I can look cool kicking the shit out of someone.

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there is a fine line between tournament fighting, and street fighting.. and if you think a Muay Thai / grappling practioner can overcome a hand-to-hand combat expert who trains with reality based street fighting your going to be wrong 9 out of 10 times
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Did you hear me even once say the word tournament. No. I haven't been in a tourny since I was 14. I was a bodyguard for several years to pay my way through college. Since high school, I have focused on practical fighting not tourny bullshit, fancy shit, etc. You obviously know very little about the topic on which your are making a futile attempt at discrediting me. Do you see me on the sports board talking about football, baseball or hockey, NO. Do you know why? Because I don't know shit about any of them. This bullshit argument isn't helping anyone learn anything which is the point of this board, so I'm going to stop wasting everyones time with you now. And don't call me brother

 

[Bigsatan13]

but i want to be able to fight without going to the ground if possible

Good luck! Most fights end up on the ground. You can learn to become a knockout artist but still have to have ground skills if you get tangled up.