jenetic & bros, pct advice?

[adam wj]

last spring i ran my first cycle - 40mg var ed 7 weeks
this fall i plan in running my first "real" cycle

wk 1-10 125-150mg test prop eod
wk 1-8 40mg var ed

aside from regular clomid pct, and novla on hand what do you suggest? any hcg in there during and how much would you suggest after?

i may or may not make changes to that cycle. i might even hold off until early next year but i figure ill get all my ducks in a row before i do anything, knowwhutimean?

thanks for your help bro, or anyone else who wants to toss in their .02

 

[Jenetic]

Adam,

1,500 IU's HCG 3X/Week (Mon/Wed/Fri)
20 mgs Nolvadex ED

For a total of 3 weeks

I'm sure you know of my usage history by now. I would like to note that 1,500 IU's HCG 3 times per week in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex has never failed me on a resonable cycles lasting 6-12 weeks.

This should be more than sufficient.

Jenetic

 

[map200uk]

hey jenetic, howcome you mention using nolva/hcg

i agree with nolva dose, but why hcg? most guys use HCG during cycle and i thought for short cycles (12wks being shortish) hcg isnt *needed*

and no clomid?

map

 

[strongsmartsexy]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=330386

 

[adam wj]

thanks j

i got your k about the clomid too, i tried to hit you back but i have to spread it around. i think it hates me for trying to k you on every post you make

no hcg during the cycle, only after?

 

[Jenetic]

thanks j

no hcg during the cycle, only after?

Anytime Adam.

I will be the first to admit when I don't have an answer for something and right now is one of them. I don't have a formula as to exactly how much supression occurs with respect to each drug and vairable dosages. I have no experience using it during cycle and the experiences that I have heard about are not detailed or controlled enough to draw any conclusions. Also, I have not seen enough conclusive evidence on LH receptor desensitization due to prolonged and high dose HCG usage. Therefore, it would be wrong and unfair for me to give any advice on this issue.

I don't plan on going back on anytime soon otherwise I'd personally test it on myself. LOL

The PCT formula I recomended should be more than sufficient for recovery without using HCG during your cycle.

Jenetic

 

[adam wj]

j, i appriciate your honesty about not knowing.. not many people will admit to that

maybe ill just keep an eye on the boys and if they start to go the raisin route on me hit like 500iu 3x that week?

im still unsure when i'll actually run the cycle. my diet is on point and i know ill get good gains, but im trying to shoot for 15lbs TOPS so i dont have as many questions to answer from friends/family. at any rate ill keep you posted when i do it and hit the pct

any bros who read this hit that man with some k for me

 

[Jenetic]

Let me explain my hesitation to you for recomending HCG during a cycle.

If LH receptor desensitization does in fact occur with prolonged or high dose HCG usage, using it continuously during your cycle could possibly cause the LH receptor to desensitize which in turn would ulitimately render your PCT to be either less effective or possibly useless. This seems counterproductive.

The actual dosages and lengths of time for this to occur are not well documented and each individuals genetic predisposition also plays an important role here.

In your particular case, the AAS dosage and total duration of usage looks relatively safe in regards to sides effects and HPTA supression. You might want to adjust the Propionate dosage to 100 mgs EOD. It has worked well for me and many other people as well. In conclusion, I would stick with whats proven to work thus far which is a combination of HCG and Nolvadex during PCT.

Jenetic