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sicklydiesel
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Bronzed godess explained it 10x better than me.....and the "they dont believe in jesus" couldnt be more wrong. if the "jw's" you know told you that they must not be paying attention very well when they attend.
thebabydoc
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Most of what's been said here has been my understanding.
Being a surgeon, the main problem I have is with the blood thing (I transfused a 17 year-old, unmarried girl with a ruptured ectopic pregnancy 3 days ago). I have read the scripture they refer to for this belief and that's fine and dandy and whatever they believe, well that's fine and dandy and I will respect it. But here are the facts as I have understood them from years of working with them as patients (and herein lies the problem) :
1. There is almost always a principal member in each family (in this case, it was her grandmother). This is the original church member that "converted" the rest as well as the children, grandchildren, etc.. by birth or marriage.
2. Most other members "go along with it" in that it is a Jesus-based religion and is pretty much on par with others in terms of the requirements. Then again, how often and what are the chances that you will be asked to die for your religion?
3. When approached properly, those "secondary members" WILL accept blood transfusion.
This is where the problem lies. At this point, they become outcasts to certain family members who are the "zealots" (or in Jewish terms, the orthodox members). What this moment really is for the person requiring the transfusion is the final affirmation of faith- the moment to "put up or shut up." The choice to accept the transfusion is a choice to reject the central tenet of the religion and therefore the religion itself.
In essence, when I asked this girl "Do you believe in the religion given you by your family?" she said "No fucking way doc, I want to live!" It took her all of 1.3 seconds to answer me.
The central problem I have with JW's is with a faith that believes in a God that is completely unforgiving. Even Christianity forgives/absolves the most mortal sin upon the acceptance of Christ as savior.
When I broached this topic with her grandmother ("Do you not believe that G-d forgives?") she just shook her head in disgust. Bad enough this girl almost died. Now this matriarch freak is going to make the rest of her childhood/puberty a nightmare?
Fuck that shit.
Get me clear though, I respect an individual's rights to their religious beliefs. If, when presented with the reality I gave her, she had said "no" on her own volition, I would NOT have given her the transfusion under any circumstances, even death.
Sorry for the rant, I'm still pissed off at the anesthesiologist for taking so long to put her under and for then hanging the blood while I was operating without letting me know.
Being a surgeon, the main problem I have is with the blood thing (I transfused a 17 year-old, unmarried girl with a ruptured ectopic pregnancy 3 days ago). I have read the scripture they refer to for this belief and that's fine and dandy and whatever they believe, well that's fine and dandy and I will respect it. But here are the facts as I have understood them from years of working with them as patients (and herein lies the problem) :
1. There is almost always a principal member in each family (in this case, it was her grandmother). This is the original church member that "converted" the rest as well as the children, grandchildren, etc.. by birth or marriage.
2. Most other members "go along with it" in that it is a Jesus-based religion and is pretty much on par with others in terms of the requirements. Then again, how often and what are the chances that you will be asked to die for your religion?
3. When approached properly, those "secondary members" WILL accept blood transfusion.
This is where the problem lies. At this point, they become outcasts to certain family members who are the "zealots" (or in Jewish terms, the orthodox members). What this moment really is for the person requiring the transfusion is the final affirmation of faith- the moment to "put up or shut up." The choice to accept the transfusion is a choice to reject the central tenet of the religion and therefore the religion itself.
In essence, when I asked this girl "Do you believe in the religion given you by your family?" she said "No fucking way doc, I want to live!" It took her all of 1.3 seconds to answer me.
The central problem I have with JW's is with a faith that believes in a God that is completely unforgiving. Even Christianity forgives/absolves the most mortal sin upon the acceptance of Christ as savior.
When I broached this topic with her grandmother ("Do you not believe that G-d forgives?") she just shook her head in disgust. Bad enough this girl almost died. Now this matriarch freak is going to make the rest of her childhood/puberty a nightmare?
Fuck that shit.
Get me clear though, I respect an individual's rights to their religious beliefs. If, when presented with the reality I gave her, she had said "no" on her own volition, I would NOT have given her the transfusion under any circumstances, even death.
Sorry for the rant, I'm still pissed off at the anesthesiologist for taking so long to put her under and for then hanging the blood while I was operating without letting me know.
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Golfer18--old
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Son of a bitch, who picked 144,000? Did they draw that number out of hat?
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BronzedGoddess
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Golfer18 said:
Don't quote me on this but, Aren't all of the 144,000 Jews?
fogg88
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Revelations, Ch.7 :
The Sealing of the 144,000
7:1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth so no wind could blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree.
7:2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, who had the seal of the living God. He shouted out with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given permission to damage the earth and the sea.
7:3 "Do not damage the earth or the sea or the trees until we have put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God."
7:4 Now I heard the number of those who were marked with a seal, one hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed from all the tribes of the people of Israel.
7:5 From the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Gad, twelve thousand,
7:6 from the tribe of Asher, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Naphtali, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Manasseh, twelve thousand,
7:7 from the tribe of Simeon, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Levi, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Issachar, twelve thousand,
7:8 from the tribe of Zebulun, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Joseph, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.
<<copy-n-pasted from bible.org>>
The Sealing of the 144,000
7:1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth so no wind could blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree.
7:2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, who had the seal of the living God. He shouted out with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given permission to damage the earth and the sea.
7:3 "Do not damage the earth or the sea or the trees until we have put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God."
7:4 Now I heard the number of those who were marked with a seal, one hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed from all the tribes of the people of Israel.
7:5 From the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Gad, twelve thousand,
7:6 from the tribe of Asher, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Naphtali, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Manasseh, twelve thousand,
7:7 from the tribe of Simeon, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Levi, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Issachar, twelve thousand,
7:8 from the tribe of Zebulun, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Joseph, twelve thousand,
from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.
<<copy-n-pasted from bible.org>>
FreakMonster
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Ways to get rid of a JW
How to get rid of a Jehovah's Witness...
When they ask, "Can I talk to you about God?" Reply, "Sure, what would you like to know?"
Answer the door with a bloody knife and say, "I'm sorry, could you come back in a half hour? We're not done with the virgin yet."
Answer the door with an automatic weapon and say 'Allah be Praised!
Ask them for their address. When they ask why you want it, claim that you want to appear on their doorstop univited so that you can peddle your own beliefs.
Look smug and tell them that your God can beat up their God.
Tell them you already have your own religion. When they ask what it is, wince a little before confessing, "er, I'm not sure if it's legal in this country
A chalk outline of a human body on the pavement, and a few copies of "The Watchtower" scattered around...
Answer every one of their questions with "What do you mean by that?" This might take a while, but you and your loved ones can have fun placing bets on how long it takes for them to leave.
Ask them to explain the story of Elisha and the Forty-two children.
Invite them in to see your fine collection of dinosaur fossils.
Open the door, tell them not to bother you, because you're worshiping Satan, and then slam the door.
When you see them coming down the street, open all the windows in your home and proceed to blast Marilyn Manson's "Anti-christ Superstar"
Put a sign on your front door that says "Do not disturb, human sacrifice in progress"
Invite them in for tea, when they come in, ask them if they'd like to meet your dog, Lucifer.
Set your lawn sprinkler at the edge of the lawn, as soon as they walk past it, turn it on high.
Open the door, listen to their ridiculous speech, but every time they say the word "lord" say "yes, my child?"
Open the door, pretend they are a delivery person, and say, "oh good, my statue of Jeffry Dahmer must be here! It will look great next to the one of Norman Bates, how much do I owe you?"
Open the door, listen to their lecture, and then ask if you could get that in writing.
Pretend you speak Spanish.
Tell them you have to go, you are late for target practice, ask them if they would like to participate.
How to get rid of a Jehovah's Witness...
When they ask, "Can I talk to you about God?" Reply, "Sure, what would you like to know?"
Answer the door with a bloody knife and say, "I'm sorry, could you come back in a half hour? We're not done with the virgin yet."
Answer the door with an automatic weapon and say 'Allah be Praised!
Ask them for their address. When they ask why you want it, claim that you want to appear on their doorstop univited so that you can peddle your own beliefs.
Look smug and tell them that your God can beat up their God.
Tell them you already have your own religion. When they ask what it is, wince a little before confessing, "er, I'm not sure if it's legal in this country
A chalk outline of a human body on the pavement, and a few copies of "The Watchtower" scattered around...
Answer every one of their questions with "What do you mean by that?" This might take a while, but you and your loved ones can have fun placing bets on how long it takes for them to leave.
Ask them to explain the story of Elisha and the Forty-two children.
Invite them in to see your fine collection of dinosaur fossils.
Open the door, tell them not to bother you, because you're worshiping Satan, and then slam the door.
When you see them coming down the street, open all the windows in your home and proceed to blast Marilyn Manson's "Anti-christ Superstar"
Put a sign on your front door that says "Do not disturb, human sacrifice in progress"
Invite them in for tea, when they come in, ask them if they'd like to meet your dog, Lucifer.
Set your lawn sprinkler at the edge of the lawn, as soon as they walk past it, turn it on high.
Open the door, listen to their ridiculous speech, but every time they say the word "lord" say "yes, my child?"
Open the door, pretend they are a delivery person, and say, "oh good, my statue of Jeffry Dahmer must be here! It will look great next to the one of Norman Bates, how much do I owe you?"
Open the door, listen to their lecture, and then ask if you could get that in writing.
Pretend you speak Spanish.
Tell them you have to go, you are late for target practice, ask them if they would like to participate.
FreakMonster
New member
Why do Jehovah's Witnesses call at Your Door?
They are raising money for their publishing organization by asking you for contributions for their magazines, the Watchtower and Awake!, or other items, but what they really want is YOU.
They practice very hard at their local church (called a Kingdom Hall), to impress you with their honesty and sincerity as "bible teachers". They will offer you a "free home bible study". It's really not free in the long run, and their "bible" is doctored to reflect their beliefs.
If you have been recently traumatized by divorce, death, financial woes, or dissatisfaction with life, you are a candidate to become a JW. They are looking for those vulnerable enough to be attracted by their message of a "new paradise earth" where troubles disappear. The only way in, according to them, is through their organization.
Want to become a Jehovah's Witness? Here are the true facts about what your life will be like. All these facts can be documented from their own literature.
1. BE PREPARED to believe that JW's alone are of God. All other religions, in fact, all non-JW's are of the devil. No exceptions.
2. BE PREPARED to become an extremely negative person, except about the Watchtower organization, where you will have to be extremely positive. (No criticism allowed).
3. BE PREPARED to give your entire patriotic feelings to the Watchtower (WT) organization. since you will not be able to serve in any branch of the armed forces, or work as a civilian on any base. All employment must meet with WT approval .
4. BE PREPARED to never again salute the flag, or stand for a national anthem, or express nationalistic feelings of any kind.
5. BE PREPARED to no longer vote, or have political opinions. Condemnation of all (except the WT) is the order of the day.
6. BE PREPARED at work. If your job involves confidentiality, such as employment in a doctor's or lawyer's office, you will be expected to break that confidentiality to report on any JW patient to the elders. (Example, an unmarried JW woman may want birth control pills etc. ). Innocent employers have been sued.
7. BE PREPARED to forget about having a normal childhood for your children. They will be expected to set their sights on a life of full-time service to the Watchtower Organization. They will practice all their growing-up years, by sitting quietly at the meetings five times a week with you, and accompanying you as you knock on doors with the WT's literature.
8. BE PREPARED to forbid or discourage your children from the following activities after-school sports, having non-JW friends as playmates, joining the YM/YWCA, school dances, voting in school elections, all dating, except for JW 's, and then only if marriage is intended.
9. BE PREPARED to forbid the doctors from administering a life-saving blood transfusion to your child or yourself. Vaccinations and organ transplants were forbidden at one time too, but the WT often changes its mind. Wouldn't it be a shame if you allowed your child to die, and then the WT changed its policy? Many have had this experience already.
10. BE PREPARED to defend the WT Organization about its false prophecies. It has set the date for the end of the world for 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, the 1940's, 1975. Armageddon is now expected "any moment", but don't be too sure, with their track record. Incidentally, their doctrines change regularly too, so don't become too convinced too fast. It's called "new light".
11. BE PREPARED to lie in court, under oath, if called upon to do so by your elders. If you and your minor children are involved in a child custody case, your children too will be coached by the JW elders to misrepresent their lifestyle under oath. After all, the court system is under the influence of the devil, so its okay--perjury and fraud not withstanding!
13. BE PREPARED to really hate everything but the WT Organization, and especially hate anyone who has the nerve to up and leave. (the dreaded "apostates"). There is no honorable way out of the WT organization. Not only will you be expected to shun and ignore anyone leaving (even family members), but the literature directs you:
"We must hate in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme and active aversion, to consider as loathsome, odious filthy, to detest."
They are raising money for their publishing organization by asking you for contributions for their magazines, the Watchtower and Awake!, or other items, but what they really want is YOU.
They practice very hard at their local church (called a Kingdom Hall), to impress you with their honesty and sincerity as "bible teachers". They will offer you a "free home bible study". It's really not free in the long run, and their "bible" is doctored to reflect their beliefs.
If you have been recently traumatized by divorce, death, financial woes, or dissatisfaction with life, you are a candidate to become a JW. They are looking for those vulnerable enough to be attracted by their message of a "new paradise earth" where troubles disappear. The only way in, according to them, is through their organization.
Want to become a Jehovah's Witness? Here are the true facts about what your life will be like. All these facts can be documented from their own literature.
1. BE PREPARED to believe that JW's alone are of God. All other religions, in fact, all non-JW's are of the devil. No exceptions.
2. BE PREPARED to become an extremely negative person, except about the Watchtower organization, where you will have to be extremely positive. (No criticism allowed).
3. BE PREPARED to give your entire patriotic feelings to the Watchtower (WT) organization. since you will not be able to serve in any branch of the armed forces, or work as a civilian on any base. All employment must meet with WT approval .
4. BE PREPARED to never again salute the flag, or stand for a national anthem, or express nationalistic feelings of any kind.
5. BE PREPARED to no longer vote, or have political opinions. Condemnation of all (except the WT) is the order of the day.
6. BE PREPARED at work. If your job involves confidentiality, such as employment in a doctor's or lawyer's office, you will be expected to break that confidentiality to report on any JW patient to the elders. (Example, an unmarried JW woman may want birth control pills etc. ). Innocent employers have been sued.
7. BE PREPARED to forget about having a normal childhood for your children. They will be expected to set their sights on a life of full-time service to the Watchtower Organization. They will practice all their growing-up years, by sitting quietly at the meetings five times a week with you, and accompanying you as you knock on doors with the WT's literature.
8. BE PREPARED to forbid or discourage your children from the following activities after-school sports, having non-JW friends as playmates, joining the YM/YWCA, school dances, voting in school elections, all dating, except for JW 's, and then only if marriage is intended.
9. BE PREPARED to forbid the doctors from administering a life-saving blood transfusion to your child or yourself. Vaccinations and organ transplants were forbidden at one time too, but the WT often changes its mind. Wouldn't it be a shame if you allowed your child to die, and then the WT changed its policy? Many have had this experience already.
10. BE PREPARED to defend the WT Organization about its false prophecies. It has set the date for the end of the world for 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, the 1940's, 1975. Armageddon is now expected "any moment", but don't be too sure, with their track record. Incidentally, their doctrines change regularly too, so don't become too convinced too fast. It's called "new light".
11. BE PREPARED to lie in court, under oath, if called upon to do so by your elders. If you and your minor children are involved in a child custody case, your children too will be coached by the JW elders to misrepresent their lifestyle under oath. After all, the court system is under the influence of the devil, so its okay--perjury and fraud not withstanding!
13. BE PREPARED to really hate everything but the WT Organization, and especially hate anyone who has the nerve to up and leave. (the dreaded "apostates"). There is no honorable way out of the WT organization. Not only will you be expected to shun and ignore anyone leaving (even family members), but the literature directs you:
"We must hate in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme and active aversion, to consider as loathsome, odious filthy, to detest."
FreakMonster
New member
Here are some of the stupid rules of the JW Religion:
Alternative service is ok as long as you get arrested first
No skirts with high slits
No Birthdays, Christmas, Easter, etc.
No masterbation
No sex before marriage
Also JW's look at smurfs as "sacreligious".
I shit you not!!
No earrings for men.
Only one pair of earrings for the ladies.
No after school sports.
Advanced classes and gifted classes were a no-no
Sunglasses in field service.
No alcohol at weddings.
Graduation parties.
Talking on the phone with boys.
Kissing unless you are engaged.
School functions period.
Leaching off mom and dad well into your 30's was OK if you are pioneering.
No patting sisters on the back.
No skirts above the knee.
No dancing like you are at a rave.
Alternative service is ok as long as you get arrested first
No skirts with high slits
No Birthdays, Christmas, Easter, etc.
No masterbation
No sex before marriage
Also JW's look at smurfs as "sacreligious".
I shit you not!!
No earrings for men.
Only one pair of earrings for the ladies.
No after school sports.
Advanced classes and gifted classes were a no-no
Sunglasses in field service.
No alcohol at weddings.
Graduation parties.
Talking on the phone with boys.
Kissing unless you are engaged.
School functions period.
Leaching off mom and dad well into your 30's was OK if you are pioneering.
No patting sisters on the back.
No skirts above the knee.
No dancing like you are at a rave.
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