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Yes, after many months of dealing with setbacks and waiting for my shit to get in, I'm starting my test/deca/d-bol cycle.

Saturday, I injected 4cc test enan. and 1.5cc deca. I'm popping 20mg TT d-bol ED. My ass feels like it's been kicked by a mule.:D

I'm hoping for 20-30 pouinds, so I'll hit 300 or 310. That would be neat. Just thought I'd share.:)
 
How many mgs of test/week? How many grams of deca/week?

And congrats on keeping the D-Bol doseage low. 30mgs/day kicked my ass and fucked me up big time. I'd never recommend someone do more than 10-15 mgs day on their first cycle with the stuff.

300? What's your height and bodyfat %?
 
good thing you're doing a bulking cycle. exactly what i'd recommend at 280lbs. how tall are you?

good luck and keep the board updated with your progress.
 
frorider6 said:
How many mgs of test/week? How many grams of deca/week?

And congrats on keeping the D-Bol doseage low. 30mgs/day kicked my ass and fucked me up big time. I'd never recommend someone do more than 10-15 mgs day on their first cycle with the stuff.

300? What's your height and bodyfat %?
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Starting high and going low with the test. Next week will be 3.5, the week after that, 3, and so on. I'll have used 20cc at the end of nine weeks. I've got it all written out, but the paper isn't here in front of me and it would take too much effort to try to remember the whole thing off the top of my head:D

Deca will be 1.5cc for the first four weeks, then 1cc for the next four. Nothing on the ninth week.

I remember you talking about how the dbol made you sick. I haven't had that happen, but I so seem to be getting hungrier (this is day three), and I feel a little edgier as well. I'm pretty sure this isn't in my mind. You also said you had really bad pain with the Sus. My ass is hurting some, but I think that's to be expected when you stick a bunch of needles deep in your muscle tissue. Also, I don't have a girlfriend to help with the injections and massage my ass:D , so that may be a factor as well.

I'm 6'2.5", 276-280 pounds. I haven't had my BF tested in a long time, but I'm thinking 15-16%. You can still see my abs somewhat actually, but I tend to carry a layer on my legs, which messes it up.
 
supersizeme said:
good thing you're doing a bulking cycle. exactly what i'd recommend at 280lbs. how tall are you?

good luck and keep the board updated with your progress.
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Smart ass. Made me chuckle, though.:D
 
Seriously, why would you start a bulking cycle at 280 lbs and 15% bf (c'mon now, it's higher than that isn't it)?

Why not drop down to 7% bf first. You're just going to be one of those guys that looks like the Staypuff Marshmellow Man.
 
well you're cool and i didn't mean to be a smartass about it, but shit you're a very large man casavant. bout to be larger, too. what look are you going for? would it be the "holy shit that man could pound me into oblivion...let's get out of his way" look?? you into powerlifting?? you entering a national belly flop competition this summer?
 
i started my first cycle without abs at 15% bf and with proper diet,i mean getting enough protein but limiting fat and gettng enough carbs so you bulk but dont get fat it can be done,im now down around 13%bf but its climbing since im outta the gym

good luck on the cycle cas im sure you will be pleased
 
frorider6 said:
Seriously, why would you start a bulking cycle at 280 lbs and 15% bf (c'mon now, it's higher than that isn't it)?

Why not drop down to 7% bf first. You're just going to be one of those guys that looks like the Staypuff Marshmellow Man.
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Man, I have been on this board for quite a while, and while I don't think I'm part of the "in" clique on here, hopefully you have noticed that I'm not a fuckin' schmuck.

My bodyfat is seriously around 15-17%. That's not lean, by any standards, so I don't think it's that hard to believe. Why not get down to 7%? Because I'm a bouncer and I pull trim just fine where I'm at. I'll keep you posted.
 
Okay, beginning to understand more now that you say you're a bouncer. You ARE going for that "Holy shit don't pound me" look. That's cool, especially if that's your bag baby.

Oak - I'll probably be the 1000th person to say you need to stay off the juice. You're too young and you can make incredible gains if you just concentrate on your diet and training.
 
frorider6 said:
Oak - I'll probably be the 1000th person to say you need to stay off the juice. You're too young and you can make incredible gains if you just concentrate on your diet and training.
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i know i should but i love the results i get on juice,i honestly have the smallest frame and it blows,im off right now since the end of oct and im up about 5 lbs and my abs have come in more without working out in the last month,
thanks for your concern though
 
The Canadian Oak said:


i know i should but i love the results i get on juice,i honestly have the smallest frame and it blows,im off right now since the end of oct and im up about 5 lbs and my abs have come in more without working out in the last month,
thanks for your concern though
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If you stopped working out and and you're at 13% bf and climbing, that's not your abs coming in. That's your gut.
 
frorider6 said:
Okay, beginning to understand more now that you say you're a bouncer. You ARE going for that "Holy shit don't pound me" look. That's cool, especially if that's your bag baby.

Oak - I'll probably be the 1000th person to say you need to stay off the juice. You're too young and you can make incredible gains if you just concentrate on your diet and training.
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Ha ha. Yeah, I guess that's what I'm going for, when I really think about it. After I bulk, I do plan on cutting- once I get into that mode, I really shed it fast. Sometimes I forget that nobody on here has ever seen me in person, and it is hard to believe when someone says they're 280 and not a fat bag of shit. Right now, I would not take my shirt off on a beach, but considering it's January and I live in Arkansas, I'm not too concerned about that at the moment. While I do look big, I'm not "popping" like someone shorter with a smaller bone structure would be. My wrists measure around eight inches and I wear a size 15 shoe, to give you some idea. I am genetically predisposed to putting on some size, which is why I'm trying a cycle- just gotta see what will happen. I've been training naturally for 6 years thus far, otherwise I wouldn't even consider it.

Tell me about your experience with D-bol.
 
casavant said:
Bump for Fro.
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You're 6'2.5" and wear a size 15 shoe? Damn boy. You ain't got feet, you got flippers. I'm 6'2" and wear a size 11.

D-Bol was great for about a week. I felt awesome and made good gains. Then it started to affect my appetite. I couldn't eat as much because I always felt sick to my stomach. Many times I wouldn't be able to drink my morning or afternoon shake. Also, I started to get a painful ache in my lower back, probably from my kidneys. They just hurt all the time.

I don't remember the exact numbers, but I think I gained about 9 pounds initially. Then, mid cycle, I started losing weight because I couldn't eat or train. Once off the D-Bol, I started gaining again.

Overall, my cycle sucked. I think I could have gained just as much naturally. However, I am looking forward to another cycle but I don't know when it will be or what my goal will be at that time.
 
frorider6 said:


You're 6'2.5" and wear a size 15 shoe? Damn boy. You ain't got feet, you got flippers. I'm 6'2" and wear a size 11.

D-Bol was great for about a week. I felt awesome and made good gains. Then it started to affect my appetite. I couldn't eat as much because I always felt sick to my stomach. Many times I wouldn't be able to drink my morning or afternoon shake. Also, I started to get a painful ache in my lower back, probably from my kidneys. They just hurt all the time.

I don't remember the exact numbers, but I think I gained about 9 pounds initially. Then, mid cycle, I started losing weight because I couldn't eat or train. Once off the D-Bol, I started gaining again.

Overall, my cycle sucked. I think I could have gained just as much naturally. However, I am looking forward to another cycle but I don't know when it will be or what my goal will be at that time.
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Damn, that sucks man. I think the d-bol is jacking up my metabolism. I don't feel tired much at all like I usually do this time of day. Also, the hunger seems "deeper". No pumps yet, but I'll start hitting it hard today after work. We'll see what happens.

What brand of d-bol were you using? What gear are you going to use on your next cycle?
 
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The Canadian Oak said:
i started my first cycle without abs at 15% bf and with proper diet,i mean getting enough protein but limiting fat and gettng enough carbs so you bulk but dont get fat it can be done,im now down around 13%bf but its climbing since im outta the gym

good luck on the cycle cas im sure you will be pleased
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Thanks Oak.
 
casavant said:

What brand of d-bol were you using? What gear are you going to use on your next cycle?
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Russian D-Bols.

I'm really having trouible deciding on a next cycle. I want equal parts bulking/cutting, if that's even a reasonable goal. I'm shying away from injectables right now because I don't know if I'll come clean with my girlfriend yet. Which is why I'm looking into transdermal Fina today. Deca intrests me because of all talk about it helping your joints. The downside is that I'd have to add test to keep my dick and winny to keep from getting prog tits. And that all adds up to a lot of cash.

I'm basically clueless at this point.
 
Welcome to the game dude. I still never quite figured out your weekly mgs for the deca and the test. What mgs per ml or both the deca and the test? And if it were me since summer is coming I would think about putting a cycle of t3 at the end of your cycle.
 
frorider6 said:

Deca intrests me because of all talk about it helping your joints. The downside is that I'd have to add test to keep my dick and winny to keep from getting prog tits. And that all adds up to a lot of cash.

I'm basically clueless at this point.
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deca I think increases the fluid in the joints, which then means higher pressure (support) and lubrication. as for winny, not everyone is gonna get gyno from deca - I used sust and deca and had winny on hand. every time I've used winny, I've noticed hair loss, so I try to avoid it personally - I can go high on test and not lose hair, but primo and winny make my hair fall out. so at 500mg sust and 400mg deca, I never had any issues with bloat, gyno, or really anything.

that said, if you are gonna do deca, you need to inject it - so once you pass the inject barrier decision, then I really so no reason to do anything but fina :) (well, the number of injections I guess).

fina is a glorious drug - HAS to cause cancer. I just don't see any other way that it can exist - all things that good must bring about some bad later - that is just like some law of physics or something.
I'm gonna run it with test prop starting at the end of feb, also arimidex and vitex, and also t3 and clen if I can do it without the shakes (always forget which of those causes the shakes in me - but I think it is the opposite of everyone else... I'm retarded)
 
also note that there is no proof (other than what people have seen) that winny actually prevents gyno from progesterone.
and in order to get the gyno, several receptor sites need to be activated, one of them being the estrogen site, so if you use arimidex, you will prevent that and therefore be okay.
or at least so they say on the fina board :)
 
I personally have no problem with the injections, but daily sticks of Fina would be a bit hard to hide from my girl. Maybe I could just tell her I'm crapping. Also a bit nervous about the questionable sterility of a homemade product. I'd like to avoid test injections with it. Does Proviron stacked with it really maintain your dick?

Deca really is a tempting little thing because of the joint deal. But again, I really do like my dick and want him to stay around.
 
Happy made some very good points. I only have one to add about winny. The pain that it causes in the joints for some people almost makes lifting inbarable(sp) I mean my elbows hurt so bad from that shit that I had to use ice bags on them when I got home from the gym. The deca might help this but I wasn't on deca when I tried the winny. Put it this way I still wouldn't try it even with the deca. Damn how can you lift heavy if you are in constant pain from doing so.
 
Frorider6,

How many mg of fina are you doing a day? And how many weeks are you doing it? And what do you think so far? I might be able to get some by my next cutting cycle. So I am very curious?
 
curling said:
Frorider6,

How many mg of fina are you doing a day? And how many weeks are you doing it? And what do you think so far? I might be able to get some by my next cutting cycle. So I am very curious?
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Whoa whoa whoa. I'm not ON Fina, I'm just researching it a bit today. It's looking pretty tempting though if I can find a good transdermal delivery system.
 
transdermal fina won't absorb into your system as well as the injected obviously - but there are people out there that do it.
from what I've heard, fina transdermally and/or orally burn fat, but you don't get the same crazy muscle growth... again, this is just what I've heard/read from others that have done them - I've only done injections and loved it.
your strength goes way up on it, when you come off it comes back down - so some people see that as a crash - but I would call it more of a crash if you lost the size too - and the only size I lost was the swelling from site injection irritation.

as for priviron with fina - that will def get it up - prioviron (sp?) is cool stuff. take 25-50mg around two hours before sex, and viagra too if you are into an adventure and fun things ensue.
you can block fina dick by blocking the prolactin release - that can be done via bromocriptine, or the herbal product from gnc - vitex.
people on that claim that they don't see the dead dick issues.
I personally just run it with test b/c they compliment each other nicely.
 
frorider6 said:
And congrats on keeping the D-Bol doseage low. 30mgs/day kicked my ass and fucked me up big time. I'd never recommend someone do more than 10-15 mgs day on their first cycle with the stuff.
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why?
 
yeah, that confused me too - I was using the thai dbol and had varied amounts of them and never had probs with them.
but who knows, maybe they were fake, or maybe we all react differently.
 
I'm going with reacting differently.....

your ecto-mesomorphic right? for some reason it seems that you guys need more stuff ta get ya going.

me I have never done a real heavy or long cycle, but from what I felt of low dosages....were just fine with me.

I asked why......because I think we got some gross inflation on cycle dosages here...it's trendy or something..imo.....not judging.

but one guy right now on his first cycle is doing

1500 of sustanon, 400 mgs of deac a week with 100 mgs of anadrol a day......

and wonderes why he found unusual presents in the toilet for the last couple of weeks.............

insane

here ya go

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70768
 
lol - I'm a bad one to ask - my doses are all fucked up - I'll try anything once :)

the biggest issue I'd say on that dude's cycle is the 100 of the a bombs - even big guys use like 50...

and sust breaks up slowly over time.
so when you see doses that high - they don't really have that much in their system
 
curling said:
Welcome to the game dude. I still never quite figured out your weekly mgs for the deca and the test. What mgs per ml or both the deca and the test? And if it were me since summer is coming I would think about putting a cycle of t3 at the end of your cycle.
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I'm using Brovel stuff, which I know isn't the best, but it's readily available aroud here and I've seen lots of dudes blow up on it. T-200 & Norandren 200. The D-bols are TT 5 mg.

As far as cutting, I really think I'll stay away from anything but ECA, strict diet, and lots of cardio. I can shed the fat pretty darn quick when I put my mind to it. I hardly ever do cardio when I'm bulking, but the day I start cutting, I have no problem jumping on the treadmill. Are there a lot of health risks involved with T3?
 
frorider6 said:


Russian D-Bols.

I'm really having trouible deciding on a next cycle. I want equal parts bulking/cutting, if that's even a reasonable goal. I'm shying away from injectables right now because I don't know if I'll come clean with my girlfriend yet. Which is why I'm looking into transdermal Fina today. Deca intrests me because of all talk about it helping your joints. The downside is that I'd have to add test to keep my dick and winny to keep from getting prog tits. And that all adds up to a lot of cash.

I'm basically clueless at this point.
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Knock on wood, but I think I'm running enough test with a moderate amount of deca to prevent the dreaded deca dick.
 
Unfortunately the only way to know if you get shut down from deca or fina is to try it. I personally do not, but then I am lucky. I do not seem to suffer any progesterone or prolactin induced side effects.

Deca will also (theoretically) increase the secretion of synovial fluid in the joint capsules, in addition to promoting water retention.

And I believe than tren has a much higher affinity for the receptors in the hypothalamus when compared to stanzolol.
 
frorider6 said:


Whoa whoa whoa. I'm not ON Fina, I'm just researching it a bit today. It's looking pretty tempting though if I can find a good transdermal delivery system.
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Fro,

you can hit eod, just not as efficient at keeping plood concentation levels stable. If you think hiding an injection ED is hard, try hiding a smell similar to sweating garlic! Also DMSO, can irratate skin, and it will look like you have a rash. And how are you gonna explain the saran wrap

Way easier to shoot EOD

As for deca and progesterone conversion, it is not that common. If you are worried, just keep doses under 400mg/wk.

TxLonghorn has some interesting posts saying that gyno may not be from progesterone, but from prolactin, which vitex can fend off!
 
Great discussion!

About the D-Bols, my opinion has no scientific basis, just what I experienced. After using it, I think people downplay the toxicity of this stuff. Better to start low and work up that start to high like I did.
 
hey just read that you wanted the best of both worlds......

why not try this

primo+dbol.......all the way through.


or

deca+dbol first half of the cycle.

and

primo +winnie the second half.
 
Frorider:

Why not just bite the bullet and decide on one or the other (bulking or cutting)? It's frustrating trying to play that balancing act, and you won't get maximum results in either direction. You could bulk now and cut afterwards- by summer you would be big and ripped.
 
primo + dbol then if your worried about balancing acts.

it worked great, at only 4.5 weeks was up alot in the poundage, and a hella of alot in size with no bloat, or fat accumulation.
 
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casavant said:
Why not just bite the bullet and decide on one or the other (bulking or cutting)? It's frustrating trying to play that balancing act, and you won't get maximum results in either direction. You could bulk now and cut afterwards- by summer you would be big and ripped.
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Well, I guess it's been long enough since my first cycle that I could do another one. I have only 2 problems at this point.

#1 Cost. Not too bad of a consideration I guess, but at the moment I can't afford a complex expensive cycle. I already have Liquidex and Nolvadex on hand, as well as enough D-Bols to do about 3 weeks of 10-15 mgs/day. I'd like to stay in the $200-300 range (or below. I can dream right?).

#2 My girlfriend. We spend A LOT of time together. Which I love. I really am starting to thing she's THE ONE (now I can never invite her here). However, we haven't discussed roids. Not even the "what do you think of them" conversation. And I think it would be damn near impossible to hide it from her. Not only from an injection standpoint, but also from a gains standpoint. She'd figure out real quick if I was on.
 
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frorider6 said:


Well, I guess it's been long enough since my first cycle that I could do another one. I have only 2 problems at this point.

#1 Cost. #2 My girlfriend.
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I see, I see. Well, keep us posted on what you do.
 
Also, my goal for this summer is 230 and ripped. I'm 217 now with about 8-9% bodyfat. I don't want to get too big because I'm trying to get into OTS and I think my max allowableweight is 228.
 
I am concerned about OTS though from a weight loss standpoint. It's 3 months long with PT every day from what I understand. Most of that will be running. Plus, I won't be able to drink my protein shakes, just chow hall food 3x a day. I only hope I'll be able to get to the gym. Pushups and situps isn't going to maintain even what I have built up now.
 
frorider6 said:
I am concerned about OTS though from a weight loss standpoint. It's 3 months long with PT every day from what I understand. Most of that will be running. Plus, I won't be able to drink my protein shakes, just chow hall food 3x a day. I only hope I'll be able to get to the gym. Pushups and situps isn't going to maintain even what I have built up now.
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I hear you. Everyone I've ever seen go in to the military with some muscle gets a lot of it stripped off in basic.

I've had people comment on my size and how I should join the military, like the the two go hand-in-hand. Yeeeeah, sure buddy, I'll just go in there and PT my ass off and watch all the muscle I've worked for for the past six years melt off me. OK.

On the bright side, you can gain it back pretty quickly, and at this point you don't have TOO much time invested into your muscles (not a dis). Good luck to you.
 
Day nine of the d-bol. Appetite was through the roof all last week. Up to 287 (and yes, I still fit in my jeans :) ) Arms and thighs are up a quarter and a half inch, respectively. Strength is also coming up a little. I took my second shot(s) yesterday. Can't wait for that stuff to kick in.
 
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