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"It's mostly CNS." --->What does that mean?

spatts

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CNS Training…
“It’s mostly CNS”
“It will tear up your CNS”

I hear this a lot, but what does it really mean? What does it mean for something to be hard on your CNS? I read a great article on this from T-Mag that sums it up nicely. I will try to cut/paste and summarize (because I know you won’t read it if I just insert it word for word). ;)

Nerves are like endocrine glands….they transmit fluid to communicate and get the job done. This fluid is made up of sodium ions, and it travels around the various parts of the motor center. There is a relationship between the nervous system and the endocrine system. The nerve cells make chemicals. These chemicals get delivered to various places including the pituitary gland. The pituitary gland, as you probably know, regulates other hormones in your body. Most endocrine glands have nerves that control secretions and blood flow….nerves feed organs. If the CNS isn’t functioning properly, the endocrine system won’t either.

The CNS also takes on the noble directive of taking care of the muscles. “A motor nerve axon attaches to a muscle cell by a motor end plate, and this creates a neuromuscular synapse. Every muscle cell has one end plate. Each motor axon, though, has a number of branches and each branch connects to a muscle cell. In other words, a motor nerve sends commands to many muscle cells, but each muscle cell receives messages from only one nerve cell.” Each neuron, and it’s attached muscle cells make up a unit. The more work you ask the muscle to do, the more units the CNS recruits to perform. Each attached muscle cell relies on the neuron to contract and lengthen, but most importantly it nourishes the cells. The cells and the neuron talk all the time, even when you’re not using them. If they ever become severed, they are replaced by fat or connective tissue…gone forever.

“If you apply pressure to these neural "glands," as little as five pounds for five minutes, you can reduce its rate of transmission by as much as forty percent. And, if this connection is further comprised, you can be in a whole lot of trouble, boy. Not only can you experience clouded thoughts, increased or decreased sensitivity, and imprecise muscular movements; you can experience a wide range of organ dysfunctions, including glandular malfunction. And, since no "disease" would be detectable, you can't be treated. If the problem isn't corrected, it can lead to seriously compromised health, and if the problem effects muscle tissue, you eventually end up with less muscle tissue or seriously impaired muscle tissue.”

The neurotransmitters communicate using norepinephrine, acetylcholine, serotonin, and dopamine. They are like test, GH, or insulin to your endocrine system. The nervous system and endocrine systems work together…if one is suffering, the other will too…and so will your muscles.

You hear me talking a lot about doing my accessory work in the “plane of action I intend to use it” because I feel like I get more “carry over” from that. In other words, by doing rows for my lats, rather than pull downs, I increase my ability to use my lats more efficiently (ie recruit more of my lat muscles) when I bench, because the rowing plane is just the benching plane, only upside-down. If you try do bicep curl with your right arm, feet shoulder width apart, and crank out 10 reps, then try it with your left foot ahead of your right, you will probably be able to do more. This is because the bicep is working in a familiar recruitment pattern, and has developed more strength in that pattern as a result.

“A few years back, some researchers conducted a unique experiment. They recruited the usual pasty-face human lab rats and had them do isometric elbow flexion movements. The thing is, they only had them train one arm. After two weeks, the trained arm increased in strength by about 25%. However, the untrained arm also increased in strength by 15%. The researchers theorized that during the first two weeks of training, about 80% of the strength change was due to neural factors, while only 20% of the strength change was due to changes in the muscle itself. After 8 weeks of doing the same boring exercise, though, about 95% of the strength changes were due to changes in the muscle and only 5% were due to neural changes."


…and if I needed more reason to do speed work:

“A lot of neurologist-athletes believe that as we age, motor nerve cells, which control fast movement, deteriorate. Without high-quality speed work, they deteriorate even faster. With that in mind, it would be a good idea, especially for lifters who are past 30, to incorporate high-speed work for each body part at least once a week.. Furthermore, few lifters, outside of powerlifters, generally train the nervous system as a whole by doing sets of 2 to 3 reps. And, many who do train in this very low-rep range rest for about 60 seconds or so. That's a mistake. If you rest for 60 seconds or so, you've waited long enough to replenish substrates (creatine, ATP, yada yada, yada), but you haven't waited long enough for your nervous system to recover. The nervous system generally takes five to six times as long to recover as your substrates take to replenish themselves, so the optimum rest period for CNS training is about 5 minutes between sets. Again, it would be a good idea for bodybuilders to train in this low rep, long rest range periodically to ensure overall CNS health.”

Injury also effects CNS efficiency. Over time, all we do to our bodies creates microtrauma. Eventually this limits movement and can even pinch off nerves, causing the muscles to slowly atrophy until they are barely functional. “Massage techniques, like ART can break up these micro-adhesions and restore functional and neurological health to muscles, tendons, and nerves.”

The author equates increasing hormone levels (natural or not), without improving neurotransmission, to filling your car with high octane fuel while leaving the same old rusty spark plugs in place.
 
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“A lot of neurologist-athletes believe that as we age, motor nerve cells, which control fast movement, deteriorate. Without high-quality speed work, they deteriorate even faster. With that in mind, it would be a good idea, especially for lifters who are past 30, to incorporate high-speed work for each body part at least once a week.. Furthermore, few lifters, outside of powerlifters, generally train the nervous system as a whole by doing sets of 2 to 3 reps. And, many who do train in this very low-rep range rest for about 60 seconds or so. That's a mistake. If you rest for 60 seconds or so, you've waited long enough to replenish substrates (creatine, ATP, yada yada, yada), but you haven't waited long enough for your nervous system to recover. The nervous system generally takes five to six times as long to recover as your substrates take to replenish themselves, so the optimum rest period for CNS training is about 5 minutes between sets. Again, it would be a good idea for bodybuilders to train in this low rep, long rest range periodically to ensure overall CNS health.”
Quick question about this paragraph. It talks about resting 5 minutes between speed sets, yet I thought you were supposed to rest 45-60 seconds, as it says in the articles at EliteFTS. Are the 5 minute rests discussed in this article for speed sets?
 
I thought that was interesting too. This article is kind of geared toward BBers though, and perhaps, in general, we allow for more CNS recruitment and recovery than they do anyway. Not sure...
 
spatts said:
I thought that was interesting too. This article is kind of geared toward BBers though, and perhaps, in general, we allow for more CNS recruitment and recovery than they do anyway. Not sure...
Thats pretty much what I was thinking. No way I'm going to take 5 minutes between each of 10 speed sets. That would be 50 minutes of just waiting!
 
5 minutes is absurd, last friday my training partner and i went back to back. got our squats done in 10 minutes or so with warmups. talk about cardio for a big guy :)
 
MANY THANKS!!

i have always wondered what CNS was myself and i have had trouble looking it up, thanks for the post.
 
i tryed to give you karma for it but the stuiped thing says i have to spread karma around before giving you more.:happyscra
 
Well, I m still trying to get to the bottom of it, and there's alot of great info coming in on the same thread on the women's board. We have the luxury of W6 over there, and he's an physiology professor at a med school...knows his stuff. He says the 5 minute thing is bunk, and I believe him...for no other reason than I *personally* don't need 5mins.

I am wondering if the number of muscle fibers that attach to a given neuron to form an MU (motor unit) make a difference. It would seem to me that other than the very beginning, the CNS and muscle recruitment would almost have to be equal....muscles can't fire without nerves, and nerves don't do anything if there's nothing there to stimulate. I'm still waiting on the answer to this question. I really want a solid explanation for the strength:bodyweight question.
 
From the article above and my other reading on similiar subject I would theorize that that whole point of speed training as per WSB techniques is to improve the firing rates of the Motor Unit (ie. cause the neuron to fire multiple branches to activite mutiple muscle fibers)
 
The speed sets the WBS do are very light 50-60% of 1RM


you could not do 45 sec rest periods between sets of >85% of your max :) Anything over 85% of your 1RM is purely due to rate coding (CNS) factors and not due to extra fiber recruitment, so if one was to do multiple sets at the same weight, you ahve to rest at least 4 mins.

I have found out this first hand with my current Smolov squat program do 10 sets of 3 reps at 85% of 1RM, and this week 85%+20lbs!
Try it, if you rest 3mins or less, I doubt you'd make it to the end without failing :)

I found that if i rested 6mins, I lost no strnegth what so ever
 
I completely agree CoolColJ,

In fact I stumbled on that by mistake, a rouinte I was working on was similar to what you described which was 85%-90% for 3 sets of the same weight. I was normally resting about 2 minutes, one day I was engaging ion conversation during the workout (I normally dont bullshit when I workout) and it turned out I was taking 5 minutes between sets, I was losing little to no strength. I got myself a watch now and I wait the 4 minutes bewteen sets it makes all the difference for me......key word being "me"

Peace,
Nat Mike
 
here's an addendum you might find interesting - some years ago, Scientific American ran an article on post-polio syndrome.

Seems that in folks who recovered from the paralysis after polio, what happened was that the remaining healthy motor neurons grew larger (something that had not been known previously), to replace those that had been killed off by the disease.

This worked for about 20 years, and then for some reason these larger neurons got "exhausted" and started to die off, leading to the gradual return of the paralysis, so-called "post-polio syndrome".

So I guess if you stimulate your motor neurons a lot, they get bigger.....
 
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