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Bomb blitz will 'shock and awe' the Taliban
By Ben Rooney, Defence Staff
(Filed: 27/09/2001)


THE US armada will exploit its overwhelming firepower to devastate the Taliban in a policy of "shock and awe", defence analysts said yesterday.


Russian soldiers prepare their tank for battle near the Tajik-Afghan border

Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, gave the strongest indication yet that the war would have two aspects: a long, covert special forces campaign, possibly lasting years, and a huge air attack using the whole range of air power currently lining up against the Taliban.

He warned America not to expect a "quick fix" or "an antiseptic war". Mr Rumsfeld said: "Some stages will be visible, as in traditional conflict, and in other cases they will not be visible."

Special forces are already reported to be operating in the region. Indian military sources report two battalions of US special forces in Uzbekistan and a detachment of SAS.

With three US carrier groups in or heading towards the Arabian Sea and a fourth, the 86,000-ton nuclear-powered USS Kitty Hawk steaming from its base in Yokosuka, Japan, the main pieces of the military jigsaw will shortly be in place.

The build-up of the air armada continues with additional squadrons of attack planes deploying to the Gulf. Another wave of aircraft left the US heading for the Gulf region.

British aircraft have also left bases in the UK to join Exercise Saif Sareea in Oman, the largest deployment of UK forces since the 1991 Gulf War.

With the Pentagon giving away very little, defence commentators were looking for signs as to when air attacks would begin.

According to Professor Air Vice Marshal Tony Mason, head of defence studies at Birmingham University, in-flight refuelling tankers would be a key indicator. "In-flight refuelling will be essential," he said.

The US have some KC-10 tankers in the huge base at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean. Analysts agree that when air power is called for, and it will be, it will be on a huge scale - a policy christened "shock and awe".

"One of the lessons of Kosovo was that the gradual build-up of attacks did not have the right effect on the regime [in Belgrade]," said Nigel Vinson, a specialist at the Royal United Services Institute. "You need to deploy 'shock and awe' from the very beginning."

According to Prof Mason, the kind of armada the air force is building is exactly that needed to support a variety of simultaneous operations.

"A co-ordinated attack by US aircraft against political and military targets across Afghanistan, even if the Taliban have abandoned them, would strike at the political heart of the regime," he said.

"Were this linked to, or even were it to support, an attack by the United Front [the opposition forces in the north of the country] it would pose a very serious threat to the Taliban regime."

But while no one doubts the Pentagon's ability to inflict huge damage to the Afghan regime, it is not clear that attacks will succeed in demoralising the disparate force that is the Taliban.

"If the aim is only to traumatise the Taliban then it might not be that effective," said Mr Vinson. "It is a traumatised society already."

This campaign will also differ markedly from recent Western operations in the role of the media. The campaigns in Kosovo and the Gulf relied on the media, particularly CNN, to deliver Washington's message to the belligerents.

The nightly shows of smart bombs were intended by the Pentagon as much for consumption in Belgrade as in Boston or Birmingham.

However, the Taliban outlawed domestic television, declaring it un-Islamic. Without the Afghan networks delivering America's message, the psychological impact may be muted.

But the lack of the "CNN effect" could work to the West's advantage. Ever since Vietnam, wars have been prosecuted on the screens of the American nation, none more so than the Gulf War. "Media ops" form a significant part of all modern military operations.

The absence of spectacular military targets, and the extensive use of special forces means the TV cameras will have little to film. CNN, along with other foreign crews, were expelled from Kabul last Wednesday.

Without the cameras following their every move, the Pentagon and its allies will have a much freer hand to conduct the kind of war it wants to, rather than worrying about domestic consumption.
 
Have you considered the ramifications of dropping a nuke in the Middle East?

Yes, and I have considered the ramifications of not dropping a nuke. Waying between the two I would go for the nuke and a 21 century Marshall plan. Wich would correct a lot of the divsions of the Middle East. Many of the problems stem from WW1 and WW2 and earlier. They cut up the Ottomen Empire in world war 1. Many ethic groups were seperated and or shafted by the creation of new nation states in the middle east. Iraq and Jorden to name a few. World War 2 created lsreal displacing many Ethnic groups. This has caused much hattred to West. Wich in result has caused support for these terrorist movements. Thus they have committed many sick acts of terror. We must crush these movments, remove leaders such as Saddam. And then reshape the Middle East back to the way it was a century ago, before the wests intervention. When this is done we must invest billions of dollars to rebuild these countries. Just like the Marshall plan for Germany and Japan. Any more Questions?
 
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Have you considered the ramifications of dropping a nuke in the Middle East?

Yes, and I have considered the ramifications of not dropping a nuke. Waying between the two I would go for the nuke and a 21 century Marshall plan. Wich would correct a lot of the divsions of the Middle East. Many of the problems stem from WW1 and WW2 and earlier. They cut up the Ottomen Empire in world war 1. Many ethic groups were seperated and or shafted by the creation of new nation states in the middle east. Iraq and Jorden to name a few. World War 2 created lsreal displacing many Ethnic groups. This has caused much hattred to West. Wich in result has caused support for these terrorist movements. Thus they have committed many sick acts of terror. We must crush these movments, remove leaders such as Saddam. And then reshape the Middle East back to the way it was a century ago, before the wests intervention. When this is done we must invest billions of dollars to rebuild these countries. Just like the Marshall plan for Germany and Japan. Any more Questions?

While Mr. Nipples may not be the best speller, I have to say that this has to be the most interesting idea I have heard yet. Not likely but interesting.

However I don't think they'll be too thrilled about us helping them after we've nuked them, besides our version of helping my not exactly jive with their way of thinking. Besides dropping nukes leaves alot of radiation, which would spread to countries not involved (Isreal, India, Russia, etc). Those guys won't dig that shit.
 
Wouldnt you like to know. Sounds like your looking to assassinate me. Your not a terrorist are you?
 
"While Mr. Nipples may not be the best speller, I have to say that this has to be the most interesting idea I have heard yet. Not likely but interesting.

However I don't think they'll be too thrilled about us helping them after we've nuked them, besides our version of helping my not exactly jive with their way of thinking. Besides dropping nukes leaves alot of radiation, which would spread to countries not involved (Isreal, India, Russia, etc). Those guys won't dig that shit."

I hate spell checking, I type so f-ing fast I make a lot of spelling mistakes. I would never expect this to happen, no one has the sack to do it. When you have a complete surrender like Germany and Japan, implementing a Marshall type plan is not to tough to do. The USA military has tactical nukes that would keep contamination to a minimmum. One of the Dark projects the USA has been working on for some time. Besides conventual Nukes dont spread radiation like the Chernobyl accident.
 
I will tell you this much I live in ground zero for terrorist attacks. Regardless if we attack them or not they will continue their terror. They have declared a Jihad against us. As soon as they have a nuke and chemical weapons they will use them. Osama has been collecting the raw materials for chem. weapons for some time. Saddam is just about fully armed with weapons of mass destruction. It really doesnt matter if we shoot BB guns at them or drop some Nukes. It wont change their final solution for us. It's hard to swallow and scary for some people, but its the truth. People dont want to hear it because they are scared. I just hope they understand that this is only the begining. That way we can resolve the problem, before it really get out of hand. If that happens the WTC attack will look like a passive terrorist attack.
 
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