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Banned Spymaster Back in U.S.

Despite having been ordered to never again enter the United States, a notorious Israeli spy boss is here again - and FBI agents are unable to touch him.

By Gordon Thomas
September 1, 2003

Israel's legendary spymaster, Rafi Eitan, has made several secret trips to the United States in the past month. But FBI agents tracking him admit they are unable to question Eitan - the former Mossad chief who "ran" Jonathan Pollard - because he travels on an Israeli diplomatic passport.

Pollard is now serving a life sentence in a federal prison for stealing "every worthwhile intelligence secret this country had," CIA Director George Tenet has said.

Eitan's most spectacular operation in the United States was the theft of the highly sophisticated software known as Promis from Inslaw, the specialist computer company based in Washington.

It involved Eitan assuming a false identity and traveling on a diplomatic passport to ensure his untroubled transit through U.S. airports.

Eitan had Israeli experts deconstruct the Inslaw version of Promis and insert a "trapdoor." This enabled Israel to monitor all those who purchased its version of Promis.

Through Eitan, the super snooping software was sld worldwide, including to a number of select intelligence services.

Enraged U.S. intelligence chiefs finally forced the Israeli government to allow Eitan to be questioned in Tel Aviv on his activities.

"He talked his way out of trouble," recalled on of his interrogators. "But he was warned not to step foot into the United States again.

On his recent trips to the United States, Eitan has traveled in his capacity as "adviser on security and counter terrorism" to Israel's prime minister, Ariel Sharon.

Each time Eitan has flown into the Columbus, Ohio airport. From there, FBI agents have fallowed him to various cities, including New York and Los Angeles.

Eitan has remained a close friend of Sharon.

After leaving Mossad, where he was director of operations, Eitan founded the Israeli Bureau of scientific Liaison, known by its Hebrew acronym as LAKAM. Its mandate remains the same: to penetrate classified U.S. defense programs and obtain top-secret technologies.

In 1986, Eitan created a special unit to increase Israel's penetration of U.S. economic, scientific and technology data. It was code-named "AL" - Hebrew for "above" - and its brief was to prowl through California's Silicon Valley and Boston's Route 128 for high-tech secrets.

In the past month, Eitan is reported to have visited both areas. AL is still operating. But even more alarming to his FBI trackers is that Eitan has also visited the Los Alamos area - home of America's cutting-edge nuclear technology.

In 1985, Eitan arranged to sell to Los Alamos's Sandia Laboratories a copy of the Israeli version of the Promis software. The program's "trapdoor" enabled LAKAM to learn about Sandia's top-secret work in providing U.S. nuclear submarines with the latest advanced computer technology.

At one recent meeting in Washington, Eitan met Earl Brian.

The former head of Hadron - the specialist computer software company Brian founded - had recently ben released from prison after serving part of a five-year sentence for fraud.

In a remarkable document, another former Israeli agent, Juval Aviv, who now runs a world-wide international security and investigations firm based in Manhattan, claims that Eitan has "obtained a copy of the latest version of Promis that Inslaw has created."

The document bears Aviv's company name, Interfor, and is dated Aug.8, 2003.

In it he claims that Eitan is "in the United States right now, traveling to Las Vegas, L.S., Los Alamos and then back to Columbus."

Details of his travels have been sent to FBI headquarters in Washington. No one knows what happened to the report, but a credible intelligence source said that "given the good relationship between the U.S. and Israel, it is likely Eitan's travel will result in no action.

Aviv, who signs himself as president and CEO of Interfor - the company claims to have offices in 23 countries - has refused to take calls to discuss his document. Hit is best known for his claims to have been a Mossad agent and a "consultant" to the FBI for over 10 years on "anti-terrorism matters."

Aviv was also employed by Pan-Am to investigate the Lockerbie bombing. His 27-page report made remarkable claims about the downing of Flight 103 in the air over Scotland.

In mid August Libya settled $7.5 million on each family who had lost relations in the crash.

Aviv had accused U.S. intelligence agents of allowing Flight 103 to be used as a heroin-smuggling route into the U.S. - through Frankfurt and Heathrow airports - in return for the smugglers' help in freeing American hostages held in Beirut by the Hezbollah in the 1980s.

The U.S. government denied the allegations. Support for these denials came from Mossad - which has constantly denied that Aviv ever worked for them.

The FBI is also trying to establish what links Eitan has with a Midwest company, Comverse Infosys, a subsidiary of an Israeli-owned telecommunications company, headquartered outside Tel Aviv.

Washington intelligence sources say converse provides all the wiretapping equipment and software for U.S. law enforcement.

"Custom computers and software made by Comverse are used to intercept, record and store wiretapped calls," confirmed an FBI source.

Such equipment was used recently to track the British arms dealer caught red-handed trying to sell a Russian state-of-the-art guided missile to an FBI agent posing as an Islamic terrorist in New Jersey.

The FBI is currently trying to establish if the Comverse parent company in Israel has links to what the FBI source will only call "former Israeli military and intelligence officials."

The source said: "Any espionage by a state considered to be friendly, like Israel, may be politically embarrassing, but it could be another disaster with the potential to wreak havoc on our security.


http://www.denverspiritualcommunity.org/AmericanFreePress/AFPNewsSep03.htm#anchor13290
 
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Israel is secretly mobilizing its sleeper agents in the United States in the run-up to the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.


Exclusive to American Free Press

By Gordon Thomas


In an unprecedented move, Israel has secretly mobilized its estimated 15,000 sleeper agents - known as sayanim - across America. For the past month, in the utmost secrecy, they have been briefed by former Mossad operations director, Raphael (Rafi) Eitan, on how to update the defense systems of synagogues, Jewish religious schools, Jewish banks, and other Jewish-owned institutions.

Many of the sayanim - the name comes from the Hebrew "to help" - have received weapons training during their military service. Others have worked in U.S. military intelligence. A number are currently employed by police forces across the country.

"While their allegiance to their birth country cannot be doubted, each sayan recognizes a greater loyalty: the mystical one to Israel and a need to help protect it from its enemies," Meir Amit, a former Mossad chief, has said. He created the secret force of sayanim.

Known as Israel's "invisible army," all its members are vetted by professional Mossad intelligence officers, called katsas, before being recruited.

Sayanim reported that the FBI has identified 240 individuals living in the United States - mostly Saudis and Syrians - who are openly sympathetic to al Qaeda.

"We have no hard evidence they are involved in the preparation of an attack to mark the second anniversary of Sept. 11," an FBI source said. "Our policy is to keep close surveillance on them and move in at the first sign of an attack being planned."

This wait-and-see policy has angered Israel's Mossad, which insists an attack is being planned. Israeli intelligence had given a similar warning before Sept. 11, 2001, which was dismissed as being "too vague" by both the CIA and FBI.

To protect its massive multiple interests in the United States, Israel has decided to act alone. It will be seen by Homeland Security and the FBI as a vote of no confidence in their ability to protect Jewish interests.

The information of a possible attack came from two U.S.-based katsas (Mossad agents). Each made a similar report to Mossad chief, Meir Dagan. Both reports stated al Qaeda terrorists in Canada are preparing to launch an attack in the United States. No date or target was provided.

The decision to send Eitan - the Mossad spy chief who persuaded Jonathan Pollard to betray all of America’s most important defense secrets to Israel - was made by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

Eitan is traveling on an Israeli diplomatic passport throughout the United States - and requests to question him about his activities have been rejected.

In order to avoid creating a political problem with Israel, FBI Director Robert Mueller is said to have been ordered by Attorney General John Ashcroft not to question Eitan.

A high-level administration source said: "In the end, we are both on the same side. We need to keep Sharon reading the road map to peace - even if it is in tatters right now."

On a recent fishing trip to Ireland, Mueller made plain his feelings along the banks of one of Ireland's finest salmon rivers. A source close to Mueller said: “Once more the Israelis are trying to run their own show. Eitan appears to have mobilized a private army within the United States which will ultimately only be answerable to Israel.”

ANOTHER PROMIS

In a separate but related incident, another former Mossad agent, Juval Aviv, has claimed in an email that Eitan is using the latest version of Promis - the sophisticated software that can track terrorists - to help to train sayanim.

The software was originally stolen by Eitan from a specialist Washington computer company, Inslaw. Since then, Inslaw has developed several even more sophisticated versions of the program.

Details are a closely guarded secret at Inslaw’s offices. But it is known that at least one major business corporation in Columbus, Ohio - where Eitan has set up base - uses a version of Promis.

In his email, sent at 9:19 a.m. on Aug. 22 to Inslaw boss, Bill Hamilton, Aviv - who is president of the New York-based Interfor, an international private security agency staffed with former intelligence officers - makes an astonishing claim:

The new version of Promis was tested in Ohio by you-know-who, and he caused the blackout last weekend.

It was a test that was not meant to cause that much devastating damage, but because their infrastructure is so old and vulnerable, it went down without being able to correct itself. That is how we got the blackout in 2003.

Mr. X is bragging about it and is quite impressed with Promis’s new capabilities.

"You-know-who" and "Mr. X" refer to Eitan.

Attempts to contact Aviv to discuss his extraordinary claim have failed. Aviv refused to take calls at his New York offices from where he runs his worldwide operations.

Aviv has dual U.S.-Israeli citizenship and claims that, as well as working for Mossad, he also led an Israeli army elite commando/intelligence unit. He worked in Mossad at the same time Eitan was its director of operations.

Intelligence sources in Washington are puzzled why Aviv should have linked Eitan to the blackout. But the FBI is likely to question Aviv on his claims - unless they are once more warned off.

Meanwhile, Eitan’s sayanim are fully mobilized.

In an interview, Meir Amit has said: "Sayanim fulfill many functions. A car sayan, running a rental agency, lets his handler know if any suspicious person has rented a car. A realtor sayan provides similar information on anyone seeking accommodations.

"Sayanim also collect technical data and all kinds of overt intelligence - a rumor at a cocktail party, an item on the radio, a paragraph in a newspaper, a story overheard at a dinner party. Without its sayanim Mossad could not operate," claimed Amit.

Between now and Sept. 11, Israel's secret army will be reporting to Eitan under the nose of the FBI agents who continue to monitor his activities - but can do nothing to learn more by questioning the spymaster. Perhaps they are depending on their outmoded version of the Promis software to provide the answers.


http://www.americanfreepress.net/08_31_03/Sleeper_Agents/sleeper_agents.html
 
Chaucer said:
Israel is secretly mobilizing its sleeper agents in the United States in the run-up to the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.


Exclusive to American Free Press

By Gordon Thomas









In order to avoid creating a political problem with Israel, FBI Director Robert Mueller is said to have been ordered by Attorney General John Ashcroft not to question Eitan.

A high-level administration source said: "In the end, we are both on the same side. We need to keep Sharon reading the road map to peace - even if it is in tatters right now."

On a recent fishing trip to Ireland, Mueller made plain his feelings along the banks of one of Ireland's finest salmon rivers. A source close to Mueller said: “Once more the Israelis are trying to run their own show. Eitan appears to have mobilized a private army within the United States which will ultimately only be answerable to Israel.”



http://www.americanfreepress.net/08_31_03/Sleeper_Agents/sleeper_agents.html




This is my favorite part.
 
Fuck Israel...we should let them hang in the wind after they attack Iran
 
Chaucer said:


Thanx Schwimmer...You are obviously a member of the tribe.



Actually I agree with you on many of these points. I hate how our hands are tied when it comes to the subject of national security.

I just noticed you were upset so I attempted to lighten the mood of the thread.

But as Frackal said, they are going to potentially draw us into WWIII once they attack Iran. We back Israel, Russia backs Iran, UK backs us, China backs Russia.

Then, of course, we die.
 
Don't you fools know israel runs the US Government? That little shit of a country has way too much influence over America. Why is that? The whole world hates the israelis, bin shit head laden attacked America because of israel's influence in American government. Not freedom, bin shithead has said it in numerous interviews, show me one where he says he hates freedom. I'm not defending bin just opening all your eyes to the real reason. The whole world knows it, except the US because the media is controlled by israel too.

Every damn suicide bomber is all over the news, but how fast did the story of the girl run over by the bulldozer die out.

We should not send them anymore money or military goods. When those shits bomb someone's home all the people see is made in the USA.


This is my opinion, if you don't agree with it I'll gladly beat some sense into you.
 
denver spiritual community is a joke.

But, we are allowing Israel to get away with crazy shit in exchange for (I suspect) GW Bush to claim success with the roadmap to peace, and help shore up his re-election.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
denver spiritual community is a joke.

But, we are allowing Israel to get away with crazy shit in exchange for (I suspect) GW Bush to claim success with the roadmap to peace, and help shore up his re-election.

America that maintains Israel's existance should not need to turn a blind eye to anything that harms it's intrests... Eisenhowr threatened israel with sanctions when it occupied the suez in Egypt, against America's instructions.

Why has the US changed its policies?
 
our fault.
 
Parabellum said:
Don't you fools know israel runs the US Government? That little shit of a country has way too much influence over America. Why is that? The whole world hates the israelis, bin shit head laden attacked America because of israel's influence in American government. Not freedom, bin shithead has said it in numerous interviews, show me one where he says he hates freedom. I'm not defending bin just opening all your eyes to the real reason. The whole world knows it, except the US because the media is controlled by israel too.

Every damn suicide bomber is all over the news, but how fast did the story of the girl run over by the bulldozer die out.

We should not send them anymore money or military goods. When those shits bomb someone's home all the people see is made in the USA.


This is my opinion, if you don't agree with it I'll gladly beat some sense into you.

Thats not the real reason. Dont bother trying to beat some sense into me either. And no, I dont think he attacked us because he hates freedom. Neither of the opinions you posted are true.
 
The Nature Boy said:


that's my favorite reason. and the jealousy one too.

Yes. All these ignorant fools have no idea why he hates us like curling hates the theory of evolution.
You see, our culture has spread far and wide, even into the caves of the Middle East. You notice that the attacks on the United States and it's interests overseas all began the moment J.Lo became a movie star. Bin Laden, being a movie buff, despises the fact that we allowed Hollywood to become to vile.

U.S.S. Cole? The Wedding Planner was in production.
9/11? Maid in Manhattan was being made.

With Gigli now available everywhere in the world, you can expect many a orange and even red alert from our government.
 
David Schwimmer said:


Yes. All these ignorant fools have no idea why he hates us like curling hates the theory of evolution.
You see, our culture has spread far and wide, even into the caves of the Middle East. You notice that the attacks on the United States and it's interests overseas all began the moment J.Lo became a movie star. Bin Laden, being a movie buff, despises the fact that we allowed Hollywood to become to vile.

U.S.S. Cole? The Wedding Planner was in production.
9/11? Maid in Manhattan was being made.

With Gigli now available everywhere in the world, you can expect many a orange and even red alert from our government.

i heard her and ben set a wedding date wooppeee
 
Frackal said:
Fuck Israel...we should let them hang in the wind after they attack Iran

Israel has kicked plenty of ass without the aid of american armed forces. So don't think that israel is counting on america if they are attacked.
 
primetime21 said:


Israel has kicked plenty of ass without the aid of american armed forces. So don't think that israel is counting on america if they are attacked.

They will be DEPENDING on US weapons!! And will always do, which is why the US is responsible for ALL of Israel's actions
 
David Schwimmer said:


Thats not the real reason. Dont bother trying to beat some sense into me either. And no, I dont think he attacked us because he hates freedom. Neither of the opinions you posted are true.

They are true, prove me wrong.
 
primetime21 said:


Israel has kicked plenty of ass without the aid of american armed forces. So don't think that israel is counting on america if they are attacked.

Israel vs The Muslim World without any U.S. aide?

$100 on the Muslims.
 
primetime21 said:


Israel has kicked plenty of ass without the aid of american armed forces. So don't think that israel is counting on america if they are attacked.

Wake the fuck up. Who do you think supplies them with military hardware and $$$$.

America is the only place they have left to turn too.

I think that israel will start a nuclear war.
 
David Schwimmer said:


Yes. All these ignorant fools have no idea why he hates us like curling hates the theory of evolution.
You see, our culture has spread far and wide, even into the caves of the Middle East. You notice that the attacks on the United States and it's interests overseas all began the moment J.Lo became a movie star. Bin Laden, being a movie buff, despises the fact that we allowed Hollywood to become to vile.

U.S.S. Cole? The Wedding Planner was in production.
9/11? Maid in Manhattan was being made.

With Gigli now available everywhere in the world, you can expect many a orange and even red alert from our government.

Skirt the facts and joke around. You know I'm right.
 
Matt and Primetime.


If you noticed, that article first appeared from the American Free Press. Not the Denver spiritual community.
 
Parabellum said:


Wake the fuck up. Who do you think supplies them with military hardware and $$$$.

America is the only place they have left to turn too.

I think that israel will start a nuclear war.

Israel will start a war with Iran. Iran isnt like Iraq, they wont take any bombing shit without retribution.
The question is will we back Israel? If the answer is yes, then be prepared for WWIII.
 
Parabellum said:


Skirt the facts and joke around. You know I'm right.

Actually, I know your wrong. Ever hear of Hasan al Banna? Didnt think so. If you did, then you would know you are wrong too.
 
Strong_Man20 said:


They will be DEPENDING on US weapons!! And will always do, which is why the US is responsible for ALL of Israel's actions

Based on that logic we are responsible for Saudi Arabia's weapons too.
 
Chaucer said:
Matt and Primetime.


If you noticed, that article first appeared from the American Free Press. Not the Denver spiritual community.

oh. LOL. read their other stories.
 
David Schwimmer said:


Israel vs The Muslim World without any U.S. aide?

$100 on the Muslims.

well, then will the Muslim world get all of the aid we give them? Al the weapons too? Guess who has bought the most US weapons since Gulf war 1? Give up. Saudi Arabia.

You're also assuming Sunnis and Shiites fighting side by side. Don't get your hopes up...look what they are doing in Iraq.

History indicates that Muslim aggressors are no match for Israel. It was the US that stopped them from rolling their tanks all the way to Cairo 30 years ago.

Send the $100 to my EF account. I want T shirts.
 
David Schwimmer said:


Actually, I know your wrong. Ever hear of Hasan al Banna? Didnt think so. If you did, then you would know you are wrong too.

Banna died in 1949, founder of the muslim brotherhood.


He is revelanet to waht I said, how?

Bin shithead laden attacked America because of israel's influence in American government. Not freedom.
Bin shithead has said it in numerous interviews, show me one where he says he hates freedom. I'm not defending bin just opening all your eyes to the real reason. The whole world knows it, except the US because the media is controlled by israel too.
 
Parabellum said:


Banna died in 1949, founder of the muslim brotherhood.


He is revelanet to waht I said, how?

Bin shithead laden attacked America because of israel's influence in American government. Not freedom.
Bin shithead has said it in numerous interviews, show me one where he says he hates freedom. I'm not defending bin just opening all your eyes to the real reason. The whole world knows it, except the US because the media is controlled by israel too.

Yes he has been dead for a while, but if you dont know anything about the Brotherhood's influence on Islam today then there really is no point in talking about this anymore.

MattTheSkywalker


well, then will the Muslim world get all of the aid we give them? Al the weapons too? Guess who
has bought the most US weapons since Gulf war 1? Give up. Saudi Arabia.

You're also assuming Sunnis and Shiites fighting side by side. Don't get your hopes up...look
what they are doing in Iraq.

History indicates that Muslim aggressors are no match for Israel. It was the US that stopped
them from rolling their tanks all the way to Cairo 30 years ago.

Send the $100 to my EF account. I want T shirts.

Sorry, I should have posted a more complete answer. I know that Saudi is one of the largest if not the largest purchaser of US weapons. Im not suggesting that these guys duke it out without the weapons we sold them, Im saying that if Israel decided to take on Iran mono y mono with the US publicly saying it will not help Israel in ANY way during the war, then I wouldnt be surprised if Syria and maybe Egypt jumped in with Iran as well. Depending on who is in power in Saudi Arabia, they may be a threat too. Considering the reigning king has been debilitated for quite some time now and there are shitloads of fanatics waiting to take over the throne when they get the chance.

Yes, I know that in the past Israel embarrased all these countries by kicking the shit out of them, but they have never taken on Iran.

Which leads me to the other point that if we DID back Israel directly, you can expect many more countries taking sides and duking it out.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:


Based on that logic we are responsible for Saudi Arabia's weapons too.

The largest storage of US weapons is in the gulf.

Dude, Saudi Arabia has a 10th class military and an army the size of a football team.
 
David Schwimmer said:


Im not suggesting that these guys duke it out without the weapons we sold them, Im saying that if Israel decided to take on Iran mono y mono with the US publicly saying it will not help Israel in ANY way during the war, then I wouldnt be surprised if Syria and maybe Egypt jumped in with Iran as well. Depending on who is in power in Saudi Arabia, they may be a threat too.

Arabs are all talk and no action, they would not jump in for Iran.

The Arabs could have easily defeated Israel during the 50-70's, if it wasnt for the corruption of a few. Now they are so much weaker and so much ownded by the US.
 
Strong_Man20 said:


The largest storage of US weapons is in the gulf.

Dude, Saudi Arabia has a 10th class military and an army the size of a football team.

I've trained with Saudi's. I know.

My point is, they have bought hundreds of billions of dollars of US weapons, primarily tanks, Bradley vehicles and fighters since the first Gulf War.

Israel is not the only country that gets arms from the US. we sell to everyone.
 
Strong_Man20 said:


Arabs are all talk and no action, they would not jump in for Iran.

The Arabs could have easily defeated Israel during the 50-70's, if it wasnt for the corruption of a few. Now they are so much weaker and so much ownded by the US.

Yup, the arab countries are awful military fighters. The only chance they would have is if they had nukes or a serious stash of chemical weapons. Aside from that israel would pretty much take out all comers.

if the arabs all joined forces against israel that would be a different story. But that would never happen, the billionaire leaders are all content with the current situation. The leaders love keeping their people down and impoverished and then they just blame israel. They then go off and sell their oil for billions. Why would the saudi leaders risk being blown away by israeli missiles and jets when they can just sit back and talk a big game and do nothing?
 
Kevin Alfred Strom is controversial figure. Probably best to avoid him and those types. I see you are in the UK, are you a fan of the BNP?
 
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