dont try tren on your second cycle, tren is not a joke, tren is not something you just add without reall knowing what it is going to do to your body and your head. Sure some people rave about it, I used to chuckle at those that slammed it, until you reach the not so magic number where you fall over the wall and it jacks up not only your body but your head, and it doesn't just go away in one week it takes many some times more than 5 to recover.