Is this wrong to do??? DNP use

[harddtime]

My girlfriend has one or two fat friends, they complain about being fat, should i tell them about DNP? not supply it to them, or anything just point them to this board and tell them to look into it for fat loss? is this Right or Wrong?

 

[Bulldog_10]

I think it's ok! Just be sure that they research before they begin using it. Tell them about the benefits of DNP, while also stressing the dangers of DNP.

I would tell them about clen first though. Fill them in on the clen, E/C/A cycle.

Hope this helped you decide!
B-10

 

[Fonz]

I think it's ok! Just be sure that they research before they begin using it. Tell them about the benefits of DNP, while also stressing the dangers of DNP.

I would tell them about clen first though. Fill them in on the clen, E/C/A cycle.

Hope this helped you decide!
B-10

DNP has actually less potential side-effects on "fat" people
if used in low dose than Ephedrine or Clen.

Overweight people normally have a sub-par cardiovascular
system that can be sensitive to ephedrine's adrenergic
action.

Ephedine increases BMR by 3%(Even at crazy dosages)
DNP at 200-300mg/day increases it by 25-30%.

DNP has NO EFFECT on the cardiovascuar system.
It works by a different mechanism.

DNP is more anti-catabolic than ephedrine.

The ony thing that ephedrine has that DNP doesn't
is that its a mild anorectic.


However, having said all this, FIRST ask them to
research it, understand it, etc... etc..
Then and only then suggest them the option.


I find it really sad that a lot of overweight people
waste their money on fad diets and fad
supplements that DON'T work, and just serve to
get them more and more depressed while
lining the Pharm. companies with even more money.

And Btw, the FDA retired DNP from the market with
NO SUPORTING EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER
in the 1940's.

It just decided it.

Yep, REAL scientific.

Look at Aspirin, tylenol etc..... THOUSANDS of people
die from an overdose yet its NEVER been pulled from
the market.....

Godspeed

 

[Bulldog_10]

DNP has actually less potential side-effects on "fat" people if used in low dose than ephedrine or clen

That's true, but don't you think clen or ephedrine would be MUCH safer than DNP, when being used by individuals who seem to be VERY inexperienced with training, dieting, supplementation, etc...??

I would tell them to give working out a try. Then if they don't see results, give clen E/C/A a try. And if they still see no results, go for DNP.

I would avoid DNP until it is my last resort.
(I know I will probably get flamed for that one )

B-10

 

[Fonz]

That's true, but don't you think clen or ephedrine would be MUCH safer than DNP, when being used by individuals who seem to be VERY inexperienced with training, dieting, supplementation, etc...??

I would tell them to give working out a try. Then if they don't see results, give clen E/C/A a try. And if they still see no results, go for DNP.

I would avoid DNP until it is my last resort.
(I know I will probably get flamed for that one )

B-10

I don't mean to be blunt but a lot of people don't like
lifting weights or even excercising(because they are
made fun of when they do).
Now, would you rather spend three years yo-yo
dieting with ephedrine and Clen(Both of them
need to be cycled), or one year with DNP.
(DNP ALWAYS burns fat)

I mean, time is "priceless", it will never come back.

Now, when they get leaner, they'll like working out
and excercising because people don't make fun
of them.

ALWAYS put yourself in their shoes before
suggesting the long approach.

DNP might be the easy way out, BUT IT WORKS!!
So, why not?

Godspeed

 

[Andy13]

ABSOLUTELY NOT

These people are fat NOT because they have thyroid problems, NOT because their metabolism is fucked up or any other fat person excuse.

They are fat because they are lazy and eat like shit.

DNP is not a solution for these people..

Take them to weight watchers. They need a LIFESTYLE change, not some miricle drug that they will have to depend on for the rest of their lives to stay lean without changing their shitty habits.

Andy

 

[Bulldog_10]

DNP might be the easy way out, BUT IT WORKS!!

Good point...but what happens after they stop the dnp? Most likely they will get fat again. What then? DNP again??

I think Andy's on the right track. They need a lifestyle change, not the easy way out.

 

[Fonz]

ABSOLUTELY NOT

These people are fat NOT because they have thyroid problems, NOT because their metabolism is fucked up or any other fat person excuse.

They are fat because they are lazy and eat like shit.

DNP is not a solution for these people..

Take them to weight watchers. They need a LIFESTYLE change, not some miricle drug that they will have to depend on for the rest of their lives to stay lean without changing their shitty habits.

Andy

A lifestyle change? Maybe. But who are you to decide
that?
And LOL@the weight watchers comment. Its obvious you
don't have an idea as to HOW BAD weight watchers
and all the other BULLSHIT food-clubs really are.

You know what the % of succesful dieters from
these clubs is:

Its 1%. Yes, 1-bloody %.

Yep. Definately efficient.<extreme sarcasm>

After this was published, they REFUSED to release their data
to anyone because they knew they'd go bankrupt.

Andy, don't go there......

Godspeed

 

[Andy13]

Weight watcher's not succesful? It's not because the program sucks.. It's because the people suck.

Believe me, I know. Obesity is a disease, a mental disease.

Fat folks don't need phentermine scripts from sympathetic family docs; they need psychiatric help.

 

[Bulldog_10]

I agree with Andy on this one!

 

[TxLonghorn]

Fonz, you and I see totally eye-eye on the use of dnp for the obese.

Why spend 3 years getting down to 25% bodyfat, starving yourself with a fad diet, etc. when you can get there much much quicker. And yes, time is THE enemy. I really don't care how they got there, dnp should be available.

So what if they don't eat right, exercise right, etc. Do you think they should be 'punished' because of that? Obviously you do. I don't.

I think if dnp were as widely used as weight watchers and all that other crap (and Fonz is totally correct) the obesity problem in the US could be halved.

I think it's borderline criminal for others to say, 'Yeah, it's tough to lose weight, so ...tough.' Why not say, here have one/day. Because if they don't get there weight under control, they are certainly going to take more than one/day of glucophage, lipidrol, and a host of other diabetes type medicine.

 

[TxLonghorn]

Sorry for the above post...what I meant to say was...all of you idiots and stoopid-hedds eating bugspray are all gonna die. Sure, maybe not now, maybe not in 20 years, maybe not in 50 years, but you will all die one day, and it will be because of that damned bugspray.

And you ask for proof? For all the proof you need, re-read what I just said, that's all the proof in the world.

Hmm, I guess I was just possessed by the spirit of another member of these boards. Obviously a very intelligent, respectful individual who encourages dialogue between people.

 

[harddtime]

thanks for hte input guys, Fonz i agree with you 100% on this. I really think that once they get down to a certain level they'll do all they can to stay there after they get all the compliments from everyone and finally feel good about themselves.


Tx, whats the deal with the two diff posts? someone using your account?

 

[elijah]

Having been a big tub o lard myself

Hey DO NOT just give her the dnp!!!! Heres why (I agree very much with andy)

I used to tip the scales at around 290, size 45 waist, cause I went at lunch and had 3 chili cheese burritos, a cup of beans, and a xl coke. Dinner was the same, huge breakfast, and snacked on the wrong food all day long. At the time I could bench press a womping 135 3 times, and climbing a set of stairs killed me. Prolly had a lean body mass of 140 lbs. If I had taken dnp to get skinny you know what, I'd have maybe lost fat, stopped dnp, eaten wrong still and got fat again, and repeat for ever.

Thankfully I lost the fat (well loosing it hehehe) by dieting correctly (I honestly thank God for the help couldn't have done it alone) But now I"m 184, bf around 12 or 13 %. Now and only now am I looking at dnp. Not because I wanna eat like crap, I love eating healthy and taking control of my life. I just wanna shed the last bit fast for school/beach season

Teach this girl!! Show her around keto diets, ckd (she'll prolly love that diet Thanks Mr. X!) isocaloric, enlighten her as to why people get fat (excess calories) and then tell her that if she'll stick with a good diet (of her own design ie cals, and such) you'll hook her up with a very powerful aid, so she isn't stuck being fat. Life skinny feels alot better!

 

[TxLonghorn]

Tx, whats the deal with the two diff posts? someone using your account?

lol, no it is a re-enactment of a discussion I had with one of the members here on Elite. And when I asked him for any kind of proof to back up his assinine assertions, his only proof was 'I said so', and he then proceeded to call me an idiot. Anytime after that anybody disagreed with him, whether they had proof or not of what they thought, he hurled insults and personal attacks at them. Not a very effective way to argue, but it got me to stop responding to him. I try to stay away from crazy, if you know what I mean.

There were several other fun things about that conversation that were equally nuts. But then I quickly realized he did not want a discussion, he wanted to preach. That, and he is clearly insane.

 

[harddtime]

Tx, i got you know. It confused a bit but now i know what your talking about

 

[Andy13]

Hey Tx.... So then would you say it's OK for a guy who has never touched a barbell in his life to use AAS because he's sick and tired of being small?

How about a guy who is sick and tired of being small and has SHITTY workout and eating habits... WOuldn't you feel inclined to tell this guy he needs to learn how to workout and eat BEFORE he uses AAS?

Incidentally, I'm not sure if those posts were directed toward me or not but in either case, I think you are GREAT guy, Tx


Andy

 

[TxLonghorn]

Incidentally, I'm not sure if those posts were directed toward me or not but in either case, I think you are GREAT guy, Tx


Andy

No, actually they were not directed at you, lol. I hope that wasn't sarcasm at the end, but if it was, it was pretty funny either way. As for how I view you personally, I think you bring some much needed discussion to certain areas. That can never be a bad thing.

As for the guy never touching a weight and doing aas? My beliefs can be summed up in two words: Giddy up.

I mean hell, why not. The only reason people on here say don't do it until you get all these things spot on is because aas really are a magic bullet. Their physiques would not be as special anymore. I beat myself up, black and blue for 10 years before I used any gear. For what? If I had known then what I know now....well, I would've done'em early and done'em often.

Let's face it, is being 300 pounds of blubber that healthy? Are these fucking whales gonna stop their eating habits? Is Richard Simmons telling the truth? No, to all of these questions.

How much $ are these jackasses paying annually for weightloss? A small fortune apiece. Why not spend $50 fucking dollars on dnp, and actually lose some fat. Were the doctors who were prescribing phen/fen making sure these people worked out or ate well? No. So why can't they give these people something that works?

I would rather see fatasses washing down a dnp capsule with an ice cold coca-cola than chasing their ice cold coca-cola with a milk shake.

And I would've rather gained 90 pounds my first year of lifting than 20. Maybe I am just stoopid, but one of the reasons people do gear in the first place is because time is the enemy. And gear can get you where you want to go faster. Period. I don't lift for my health, I am too young to be that responsible. I lift to look good naked. I lift so I can see others who look good naked. I want to see as many good looking chicks naked as possible. Gear helps me achieve that goal. I have been falling short of that goal until I found gear. I wish I found gear 10 years ago, instead of only reading about it, believing the hype, and being afraid in general to actually do it.

To sum up, for anybody who read this far...if you want to be somewhere, why wait? If you want to get bigger, why not use gear? If you want to lose fat, tell my why dnp should not be used, and why instead you should diet for a year without carbs to get the effect you can get in one month on dnp.

The drugs, the knowledge, the ability to get where you want to go is here. For those who do not want to take advantage of them, fine. I will look that much better to your prospective girlfriends and wives than you do. And I will have right of first refusal. Because they will naturally go for me before your fat, flabby ass.

tx

 

[Andy13]

I'm sorry for the attitude when it comes to fat folks..

It's a sore subject for me. I have two overweight parents. My Dad is very overweight and probably has every single diet book that has ever been written.

My mom has tried weight watcher's. She did well for a while but then quit..

I consider WW's to be a great program, for those who follow it

My dad is the most stubborn man I have ever met in my life. He has every excuse for why he has always been overweight. I believed it when I was a kid but now that I know a little more about energetics and obesity, I realized that he is just truely lazy..

I have personally witnessed people losing weight who have no clue how to diet or how to workout.. The only thing they did have was serious desire. something that lacks in most obese people I deal with in the club I work at.

Almost every day I sit there and listen to fat people's excuses for why they are fat.. Their excuses are not unique... I have yet to meet the person who follows a sensible diet and exercise program who cannot get lean.

Unfortunetly for obese folks, they often get discouraged because the fat is coming off @ 2lbs per week instead of 10lbs/week or whatever...

So yeah, I'm a little bitter when I hear about people too lazy to workout and no self disapline to workout look for the easy way out. I still stand with my original opinion-- Unless fat folks learn how to change their lifestyle, the drug just treats the symptoms and not the problem.

Andy

 

[panerai]

Andy, Fonz and everyone else who is so hyper about making DNP a trend, please, swear on your mother's life, that you are actually using DNP in doses you are recomending on this board....
George, should you, considering the latest trend, build DNP board now...
Hey, enough is enough.....

 

[TxLonghorn]

Oh, on the excuses part, we are in total agreement.

I can't fucking stand excuses. But I have realized that not everybody has that kind of willpower. It takes effort to workout when you don't feel like it...to say no to your THIRD piece of cheesecake, etc.

But not everyone has their appetites either. Not everyone has my sexual proclivities... Not everybody is good at math. Is that any reason that they should be doomed to be 100 pounds overweight the rest of their lives? How about the people they affect. I guaran-goddamn-tee you that if Paula Porky was giving me head, I would not enjoy it as much as Tina Taut-ass-that-you-can-crack-walnuts-on. Sure, they both are skilled in the tongue sciences, but there are other factors that detract from my enjoyment.

So why punish these people if they can't put down a pizza and you can? Punish them because it doesn't taste as good for you as it does for them? The mere fact you can put it down, doesn't necessarily mean you are stronger, just that your appetites are weaker.

So yes, I am very much pro-dnp for everybody. These people wouldn't spend the $ if they didn't want to be thin, if they weren't miserable to be so fat.

And don't apologize about the attitude. Attitude is good. It shows you feel strongly, and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[TxLonghorn]

panerai, I am a big proponent of dnp at a dosage of 200mg/day or less. For women who weigh under 150 for example, I would recommend 200mg eod, or every 36 hours depending on how they felt.

And why is enough enough?

Enough is never enough for me, lol.

 

[panerai]

Tell you the truth, I don't even understand DNP, may be because I'm not American, yet..lol...
Anyway, any person, unless, he/she are having some kind on sickness, can easily overcome hunger for a few days and basically achive same results as DNP provides. It's not healthy either way, but learning to control hunger and earge to eat will pay much more on a long run, and will not leave loose ugly skin, comparing to DNP(besides other sides)
You can tell me whatever you want about effeciency of DNP, but it is stil a short cut , that user will have to pay for....

 

[TxLonghorn]

It's always a short cut...dnp, t3, deca, test, eq, oxandrolone, ephedrine, the list goes on and on.

I can diet for 36 weeks, no carbs, pissed at the world. I will lose tons of muscle, I will look like I had a pleasant stay in Auschwitz. But I will have my abs.

Or I could do a month with dnp.

Like I said above, I am not here to force dnp on everybody, but it should be available to everybody. And believe me, if you don't think dnp works, and you diet without any supplements, my results are gonna kick yours in the ass every day, and twice on Sundays.

It's the same if you train natural and I hit up a cycle of deca/test/winny. Sorry, buddy. I'ma gonna win. Everytime.

Do what you want, I am gonna get me some Strange whenever I want. You will have to settle. And if you are under any other illusion, have fun in your fantasy world, because I have experienced both sides.

It's much more fun being muscular and ripped than not. And natural, I could never lose fat without some serious muscle loss, and I could never add muscle without some serious fat gain.

 

[basskiller]

Andy,
Have you ever tried to help your dad get to the gym...

If you have and it failed....try again and don't stop until he does.

Sometimes a parent child reversal is in order!
Workout his meals for him...Shit go to the store and buy the food if you have to.

The only reason for my post is...you sound pissed at them....in a loving sort of way

best of luck

 

[harddtime]

Tx i agree with you 100% on everything you said, shit you actually convinced me to get some DNP for myself. How much dnp have you used in a past? at what dosage and how were your results? thanks bro.

 

[Fonz]

DNP

Andy, Fonz and everyone else who is so hyper about making DNP a trend, please, swear on your mother's life, that you are actually using DNP in doses you are recomending on this board....
George, should you, considering the latest trend, build DNP board now...
Hey, enough is enough.....

Ok, this is going to be a rather long post, but it should
enlighten some people so here goes.

Before I start, Panerai, I DO use the dosages I say
I use(And I DO swear by my mother.....LOL).
However, having said this I WILL NEVER, EVER
recommend these types of dosages to anybody
who hasn't already done quite a few DNP
cycles.
If you want, you can ask any vet/MOD here
to test this statement out. I can assure you
they'll back my statement up.

Now, lets get on to why DNP would be the answer to
the US's obesity problem.

The #1 problem with dieting is CONFIDENCE.

VERY, VERY few people have enough willpower
to last months of STRENUOUS dieiting.
Somewhere down the line they WILL succumb
and go back to their eating habits WORSE THAN
BEFORE. This is what is called the "yo-yo cycle"

An example:

Woman A: Starts at 180lbs on a typical magazine
/weight-watchers diet.
Lets say she's 30% BF.
So lean mass=126lbs and fat mass=54lbs

Manages to lose 20lbs before she succumbs.
Now, typical weight watchers diets ARE TOO
LOW IN PROTEIN AND CALORIES.
AT BEST, they lose 50% fat and 50% protein.

Trust me on this as I have reviewed a SHIT-LOAD
of obesity data because I was interested in
Diabetes research.

Ok, going back to the woman. So, she lost
10lbs of fat and 10lbs of muscle using a fad
diet.

She then succumbs(99% of ALL MAIN-STREAM
DIETERS DO)

She then gains all the weight up. HOWEVER,
people gain weight at a DIFFERENT RATE
then they lose it.
This rate is roughly 75%fat/25% muscle.
The added muscle is to accomodate the extra
increase in bodyweight. Your bones would crumble
if the body didn't increase its muscle mass
when adding bodyfat/weight.(In some cases
it adds TOO LITTLE muscle and thats
when OSTEOPOROSIS sets in)

So, she goes from 160lbs(Fat mass=44lbs, lean
mass=116lbs) to 180lbs(Fat mass=58lbs, lean
mass=121lbs)

Here is where the effect of a BULLSHITT fad-diet
becomes evident.

Before:

180lbs at 30% BF Lean mass=126lbs Fat mass=54lbs

After

180lbs at 32.22% Lean MAss=121lbs Fat mass=59lbs


Can you see now????

They actually GOT FATTER!!!!!!

This btw, is a continous cycle that ALL THE COMMERCIAL
diet PROGRAMS prey on. Why do you think
the US is getting fatter????

Now, if DNP were introduced, the % of fat lost to
%muscle lost coud be DRASTICALLY changed
in favour of MORE fat lost and MUCH LESS
muscle lost.

The cycle would then be STOPPED DEAD.

In case you're wondering DNP WAS OTC back in the
1930's and 40's AND A LOT OF PEOPLE
USED IT!!!!!

However, since 2,4 dinitrophenol COULD NOT BE
PATENTED the FDA removed it from the
market-place in order for the pharm companies
to introduce their own MUCH HIGHER
PRICED and MUCH LESS EFFECTIVE drugs
to come into use.

Don't kid yourselves, DNP ERRADICATES ALL
other diet drugs by a long-shot and no matter
what ANYONE tells you its sides
CAN be controlled with relative ease.

It all comes down to MONEY(sigh). If DNP was
re-introduced back into the market-place
EVERY SINGLE DIET PRODUCT
would become OBSOLETE!!!! With
the exception of a very few drugs.

I'm sick and tired of people looking at what DNP
used to be used for: An explosive. So what?
LOOK at what it does to your body not what
it was used for damn it.
Is it cancerous? NO, NO, and doubly NO!!!!!
It WAS in fact(and still is in a lot countries)
used as A FOOD COLOURING AGENT!!!!


Do you think the FDA would put such a "dangerous"
substance in your food?????
Highly frigging unlikely.

OPEN your eyes, and do SOME research,
MOST of the time the media publishes
something is because they are following
somebodies agenda.
i.e. The pharmaceutical giants


If you do your research, and you still think DNP
is not for you well thats OK, because at LEAST
you took the time to research it.

EDUCATE yourself before EVER making an assumption
about ANYTHING!!!!

I have seen A LOT of DNP transformations, and the
transformation in the person's confidence level
was quite astounding.
Regrettably, in as far as main-stream dieting transformations
are concerned I have seen very few. I STRESS
MAIN-STREAM. These are the people that need help.



Ok, now time to get off the soap-box......LOL

Godspeed









































































































































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[TxLonghorn]

Well, I have done a 'real' dnp cycle of the 400-600mg/day for 7 days and hated life. I also pigged out, ate like shit, etc. I was just happy to survive. But even with a crappy diet, and not working out (I felt like crap), I lost some fat. Can't remember how much. If you really need to lose a ton of fat, and it has to be now, there is no better way. If you can stand it. I won't do that again, but I am also never going to let myself get to that point.

Now, I am on a 200mg/day regimen, and have been for about 7-8 days, feel a little warm (or is that the weather? It's 101 degrees right now) and my stamina is down. Other than that, I can't think of any other sides. I am able to do things, work out, etc. The only noticeable side that others can see is when I sweat. And even then, I don't know if I am sweating any more than I was beforehand. The heat here is brutal. So nobody thinks twice to see you just standing and sweating your ass off, it's normal.

I am not going to do any supplemental t3 to compensate for the slowdown from the dnp, and my goal is to do this for another couple of weeks or so. Oh, and I can tell a difference between the 'regular' dnp and the 'super unleaded' (crystalline). If the sides get to be too much, I will just switch to 200mg/every 36 hours.

I think this is the way to go. I don't worry about what I am eating, I just try to be reasonable. I am slightly warm. And I am visibly leaner than I was when I started. Not too shabby for not dieting, etc. Man, I will never do keto-dieting again, as long as I have access to dnp.

Any other questions I would be happy to answer, just hit me up with an email. And yes, my hush is working now.

 

[TxLonghorn]

Damn, Fonz, now that's a dramatic pause if I have ever seen one, lol.

 

[Fonz]

BUMP for the women's board.
Hopefully, this thread will enlighten some
people.

Godspeed

 

[strongchick]

Holy shit TX_Longhorn. What's wrong with me?

Is it possible that being natural is stupid?

I'm 33 years old and I'm wasting time. I should be doing every drug conceivable to look good so I can manipulate others with my looks. This way I can be much more successful in life.

Why didn't I think of this sooner?

I'm the egotistical one, thinking I'm better by doing it 'natural'. Hell, I could get hit by a truck tomorrow.

Of course, I don't measure my worth by how much pussy I get. But then, who am I to judge. Why have standards, especially meaningless ones.

For those of you reading this that can't tell if I'm being serious or sarcastic, guess what? I don't know if I'm serious or not either.

TxLonghorn is making me think.

For those of you who are analytical types and can make the connection....now I know why there is religion. It keeps our standards above the here and now.

 

[Fonz]

Religion=Another way of controlling the masses.

I'm actually roman catholic by birth. I had to go
to church, communion etc.. etc....
It wasn't until I was 14 that I researched what religion
really meant.
People SHOULD be given a choice.

And no offense but religion has been responsible for
some of the STUPIDEST blunders in human history.
Earth the center of the Universe??
An eclipse viewed as a miracle?

And there are MANY more....

Each time the religious community so fit to
slaughter thousands just because they
disagreed with their religious Dogma.


By following religion all you do is reduce your options.
In effect you become LESS enlightened rather than
MORE enlightened(As the church would have you believe)

And before you throw your religious MUMBO-JUMBO
at anyone PUT YOURSELF in their shoes.

Its funny how people just watch other people suffer
all around them without lifting a finger........
And don't think "fat" people don't suffer, because the
large majority do!! they just learn to hide it very well.


IN ANY CASE, please limit your responses to FACTUAL
information NOT BS-religiously oriented super-biased
information.

And wait till Tx sees this post.

Godspeed

 

[strongchick]

he-he. I hope he responds. I guess I should have said that religion _questionably_ keeps our standards above the here and now.

I'm not religious. I think what I'm trying to say is that I agree to an extent....religion _IS_ used to control the masses...I liken religion to my need to feel above it all by staying 'natural'.

The natural thing is like a standard to keep me away from AS. I gotta have SOMETHING to keep me going when my gains are so slow! Like someone else said in this thread.

 

[TxLonghorn]

Well, I don't think my response can compare to strongchicks, but I will just give my opinion and go from there.

I don't recommend anybody do anything they don't want to do. Period. That is why I said dnp should be available to everybody, not mandatory. But anyways, I guess my problem is that people manipulate their bodies everyday, and maybe I am just too perceptive but for somebody to make an arbitrary line of what is natural and what is not is silly.

And if you think that by not being natural you are a better person, or that suffering makes God like you more, or whatever, why not become Amish. That way you can do without electricity and you can be superior to everybody.

To think that all people are created equal is one of the biggest lie perpetrated upon the masses. I have been told that anybody can look like Arnold, without any kinds of supplements or drugs, if they only work hard enough. Or that drugs are only a shortcut. Shortcut? Hell, the reality is that without drugs, Arnold wouldn't be Arnold.

I also find it humorous that people manipulate their diets with food to accomplish something, and yet have the audacity to look down upon people who are so stupid, they use 'effective' supplements. Sure, go drink your diet Coke (yeah, that's natural), and take ephedrine, and take your protein powders (hmmm, I don't remember reading about the proteinpowderanimal in biology class, lol).

My point is, use whatever, or don't. I am not here to convince, I am just stating my point of view. But I have yet to see ANYBODY natural who has achieved anything with their bodies. Slimfast, Diet Coke, McDonalds, Fat-free anything, etc. None of it is 'natural'. I guess the hypocrisy is a tad much.

I couldn't believe the conversation I had with a friend the other day about Lance Armstrong. I said I found it humorous that tons of people actually think he doesn't use any performance enhancing drugs...his response was, 'Well, he doesn't.' Yeah, ok. Lessee, he was a 'good' cyclist until he ages past his prime, gets a life threatening disease...and now he is in the best shape of his life, yadda yadda yadda.

I hate to break it to you, the human body is not like fine wine. It does not get better with age. If you want to grow old and look and feel old, fine. That is your decision. I am certainly not going to stand in your way. But when I hit 60 I am going to look FABULOUS. And that is the real reason people work out. To look good naked. Health is another reason, but it pales in comparison to the reality.

Religion, well, that's not 'natural' either, unless we put in the natural category, opium.

But strongchick, would you want to keep out of reach for these fat people dnp, the one supplement that works above all others? Yes, we want to keep them natural, so all they get is ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin, low carb diets, etc.

Whatever. I say let's go with what works. The country is getting fatter, and we do have the ability to stop it. And the flippant, they should just eat less, and workout more hasn't been much help in the last 30 years, now has it?

 

[harddtime]

Fonz and Tx, with all this DNP usage what %BF are you guys at? do you get really low and let yourselves slip? why the need for so many DNP cycles?

 

[TxLonghorn]

Well, seeing as I am on my second cycle of dnp, I wouldn't say I am doing dnp all the time. The lowest I have ever been able to attain, and this was weeks after ckd's, e/c/a's, yohimbe, etc. was ~9%. I took caliper measurements weekly, etc. Had a lot of fun in ketoland, and all my friends were very ready for me to have some french fries and just loosen the fuck up. After I finished, I looked sooooo tiny. Yes, I had lost fat, but since my workouts suffered, I lost muscle, which is not easy for me to regain. And I was pretty pissy for, ohhh, months, lol.

I typically hover around 10-12%, but I want to be lower than that. Hell, otherwise, why do any of this if I am going to cover it up with fat. The way I look at it is if I can't see abs, I'm fat. Period. I have tossed my calipers, the readings are irrelevant. Who cares how fat you are when you've got abs? Nobody, they are too busy staring. And who cares what your bf% is when you can't see abs? Nobody, they are too busy staring at the guy with abs. The mirror is my fat caliper guide. And right now, I can see my 2 upper abs.

My first time with dnp was more or less a 'lark'. I finally found some, and was not in the mood to diet. So I didn't. I still lost fat and was miserable. But, I wanted to try it. And by that, I mean the 'original dan duchaine special' of 7 days. I always said I would do a longterm low-dose cycle when I was ready. Now I am ready. It is going well, and visibly, I am at the 9-9.5 mark. About where I was at my leanest on the ketodiet. And this is without any restrictions on my diet, and the only adverse effects have been slightly elevated temp. But, it's also 101 f*ing degrees outside, so everybody is sweating, I'm just losing fat while I'm at it.

So, when my buddies ask me to go to lunch, I don't tell them only if it's at one specific place in town. I just say, 'Sure, where we goin'?' I enjoy my fatloss now.

In fact, I have been on this lowdose thingy for 8 days, and last night 2 of my friends kept telling me, wow, you look a lot leaner...low carbs? Yeah, lowcarbs, baby.

 

[Fonz]

LOL Tx. Well said.

Right now, at T-17 days before going to the beach I'm
at 5.1%

Normally, I hover around 7-8%.
However, I'm a natural mesomorph and I NEVER
get fat. And I do mean ever.
The fattest I ever got was on a 7500Kcal/day
bulking cycle that lasted ten weeks.
I went from 10% to 12%.

Godspeed

 

[harddtime]

Tx, thanks for the explanation bro, i agree with you on going by your the mirror and not percentage. I'm prob around 8 or 9 now and can see the upper 4 abs, but my problem is that i can't see the lower abs even at 7, i still have a thick layer right below my belly. I'm gonna try some yohimbine and hopefully that'll work.


Fonz how many dnp cycles have you done? what do you like better, low or high doses? What do you think about being on a low dose and when i have a few free days that i know i'm not gonna do anything bumping it up to 400 or 600mg? thanks

 

[sinnsation]

I have a question about DNP,
One that I cant really ask here on the board.....
I am really desperate,
Can someone who is knowledgeabel on DNP email me?
Pleaseeeeeeee
Thanks
[email protected]

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

Some people have posted that DNP is only illegal because it would create competition for the diet drug industry. Conspiracy theories are fine, but don't ignore the fact that DNP is dangerous! Read this thread:

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79943&perpage=20&pagenumber=2

 

[FitFossil]

Some people have posted that DNP is only illegal because it would create competition for the diet drug industry. Conspiracy theories are fine, but don't ignore the fact that DNP is dangerous! Read this thread:

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79943&perpage=20&pagenumber=2

The general public is already dumb enough to misuse mild OTC fat burners like Hydroxycut and end up killing themselves. They'd do exactly the same with DNP, only it would just kill them sooner.

I personally would not take DNP, because the risks are more than I'm willing to take. However, I do not feel it is the govenment's job to protect us FROM OURSELVES. Sure they can regulate for purity/quality, but I think anyone over legal age should be able to decide for themselves what to put in their mouths and take full responsibility for their own actions.

 

[Temple]

Where did this thread come from???? Was it always on the women's board?

Girls, I would strongly suggest that you not get into it with these guys - just let it go....