Is this true?

[mad_muncher]

Hi lads,

A medical student friend of mine told me that 250mg of test enanthate is the weight of the steroid plus the ester in this case enenthate. So 100mg of test E roughly equates 87mg of pure testosterone.

 

[dabuffguy]

Hi lads,

A medical student friend of mine told me that 250mg of test enanthate is the weight of the steroid plus the ester in this case enenthate. So 100mg of test E roughly equates 87mg of pure testosterone.

I haven't heard about this before, but I actually think he is right.

MG is a measurement of weight. So if you had 100mg of test E, and removed the ester so it was test, no ester, then the weight of the 100mg of Test will actually reduce to a lesser amount, and the pure amount of testosterone without an ester will be less than 100mg.

I don't know what the % of the weight of the ester is, but what he said makes sense to me.

 

[2DIEZEL]

Yes it is true...But not sure if the 87% is the accurate number could be though.

 

[sonicwaste]

this is true, however I thought 100mg prop was roughly 87mg of testosterone.

And I thought it decreased from there. There are some people on the board that can answer for sure

 

[justinCanada]

yes big true..its why sustanon 250 have only maxx 176mg testosterone,when you take ester off!!!!

 

[pip88]

Well if you take the ester off how would/well would your body use it?

 

[dabuffguy]

Well if you take the ester off how would/well would your body use it?

It's just like test suspension at that point. It spikes test levels a ton very quickly, but also drop quickly as well. It works really well.

 

[sonicwaste]

It's just like test suspension at that point. It spikes test levels a ton very quickly, but also drop quickly as well. It works really well.

That's why I like the combo of suspension/prop

Suspension Pre-workout and Pre-Bed along with prop pre bed. Works like a charm and my body reacts so much better to this protocol. Growing like a weed.

 

[sonicwaste]

okay and I did some more research:

100mg test no ester=100mg actual testosterone
100mg test prop= 83.7mg actual testosterone
100mg test cyp=69.9mg actual testosterone

I couldn't find an info on the enanthate ester but is somewhere lower than prop and higher than cyp. Probably around 75mg actual testosterone

 

[Para_Shoot]

It is very interesting to know, but now is everyone going to up their doses now to adjust accordingly? We have been running and reporting our progress on the standard that we know already, and that was believing that 250mg of test cyp was in fact 250mg of test spread out over the time the ester gets metabolized.

 

[Nelson Montana]

That is correct. But what's the difference? We use the total as a gauge. What are you upping the dose to adjust to? A number that never was?

 

[sonicwaste]

Seems to me that we've already inherently adjusted for this. Considering test prop, most people take 100-150mg eod. Meaning they take between 290 and 435mg test per week.

which is equivalent to a dose of 410mg cyp - 625mg test cyp...

So if you are taking around 400-650mg of cyp per week that's about the same amount of actual testosterone as prop 100-150mg eod. Or obviously the actual dosing from suspension.

It's really now big deal, but you definitely have to take it into consideration.

It's one of the reasons why I don't user longer esters of test. That and I like to be able to easily control and know exactly when drugs are entering and leaving my system.

Also similar to why I like injecting ED even with stuff like prop, acetate, phenyl propionate. Just seems better in results and mitigation of side effects

 

[sonicwaste]

and more importantly in my opinion is lowering SHBG so that we may use more of the testosterone that we are already working with.

That's why adding in proviron, masteron, winny, and even unleashed or a combination there-of can lead to even more astounding results... Especially when coupled with shorter acting esters. I can always feel the difference, as well as see the difference.

 

[Para_Shoot]

and more importantly in my opinion is lowering SHBG so that we may use more of the testosterone that we are already working with.

That's why adding in proviron, masteron, winny, and even unleashed or a combination there-of can lead to even more astounding results... Especially when coupled with shorter acting esters. I can always feel the difference, as well as see the difference.

I'm a firm believer in what you say above. I would much rather lower SHBG if I wasn't already lowering it, to see what would happen if I were stalled out on growth, rather than to hastily double my dose of test thinking that will work.