coachj0233 said:
well JA i couldnt help but replying to this thread. youve read my reply on meso already but lets see what others have to say........... (yes it was edited a tad just so people didnt have to register at synergy to see the tests)
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its all about name recognition and whos "in the source clique" and "whos not"
if estilink(the guy JA is referring to with this post) is a scammer bc of a product being underdosed then couture labs (300mg of EQ instead of 400mg), AMD (no deca instead of 500mg), QGL (79.3mg primo instead of 100mg), Anabolic Pharms (414mg test instead of 500mg), Berkley Meyer (173mg cyp instead of 200mg) are all scammers correct?
No? but you are claiming his products were underdosed so hes a scammer right? why is he the only one? ohhhhhh thats right! hes not in the clique like the above mentioned sources are.
None of these sources are scammers. we all know that. so why is estilink different? hell hes the only one to actually be willing to make it up to customers in some sort of way. did the above mentioned sources give out primo, deca, eq or test to any customers to make up for this? nope sure didnt, but i forgot..... they are the golden boys they dont have to do that right?
one of these days people will think with open mindedness and not with bias. until then nothing will change on this board.
-coachj
the above was my reply to JA about the lab that tested at 100mg instead of 250mg. im in no way affiliated with this lab, im just replying bc i think open mindedly no matter WHO the source is. i dont care if youve been around for one month or 10 years youll still get the same response from me bc i dont believe in the clique principle unlike alot of people on the various boards.
so with everyones responses above, are most of these labs scammers now? NO THEY DEFINITELY ARENT. but ya know what sets estilink apart from the others labs???? ill tell ya. its the fact that estilink is willing to send gear back to customers from another batch unlike all of the above mentioned sources. i think its time that people on these boards have the same standards for every single lab including their favorite one also. have a great day
-coachj
coach, what the hell are you talking about? Who says these other labs are still golden? They sure lost a lot of credibility in my mind. I think that you are trying to make estilink look like a victim here waaaaaay to much. In my opinion, all of the labs that failed "significantly" have some serious problems, ... and I would not use them. Now there is a differnce between being 10mg out, and being 60% out bro. Please keep this in mind. This is why I wouldnt group them into the same categories as all the other other labs that were tested. Some were slightly under, but EstiLink bombed.
If nothing else, I think people should realize which labs really care about their product and customer satisfaction. You can tell just by how some of the labs react to the testing which ones seem really concerned ... and more importantly the ones who look into what may have went wrong, instead of attacking the testers first off. Dont kid yourself. There will be NO refunds handed out by estilink. Garanteed. And people should realise this. This is the risk you take by going UG.
Listen very carefully here:
I think what we're finding out is that the techniques we use to cook up this gear at home aren't as accurate as most people may think. I think its a safe bet to say that most UG labs SHOULD NOT be making gear. Even if the math is correct, there are other variables, the filtering process could effect the final concentration depending on how completely the powder is dissolved, from what I understand for example, along with many other variables. I do not brew gear, so I dont know what all of these variables are. There are a few labs out there that actually DO know how though. Again ... this is what will make certain labs shine through, the ones that know ALL the tricks of the trade there is to know.
I totally agree with what someone posted on a thread I read over at VIP the other day. They said that they garantee that almost 90% of the UG labs out there, should not actually be making gear. Synergy seems to be proving this true. There is a new lab popping up every day, and believe it or not, but I agree with BRR here, lol ... a lot of them are trying to make a quick buck. There are about 10% that probably really know what they are actually doing. So .. ya, its a matter of determining which ones are a step above the rest.
I think that the labs with the "holier than thou" attitude need to check their egos and take another look at their products. This goes for a lot of the labs that you mentioned above. Your whole "lab clique" drama bullshit ... is fucking gay! You have been hanging around meso for too long bro. Ditch your purse and panties and get yourself out of the drama. Most of us know how to make up our own minds. When we see bad results from a lab, we have enough sense to plain and simple .... not use them.
So far I think that there are only a few of the labs that have taken these tests into consideration and actually wanted to look into the problem. To me, that speaks volumes.
Out of all the labs that tested under from Synergy, the only lab that I wouldnt hesitiate to use would be Univex. I must admit, I was very impressed with how concerned he was over the test. His 400 EQ tested out to be like 350 or something like that. What I liked about how he handled this, was that HIS MAIN CONCERN was what went wrong ... and how to fix it. He didnt give a fuck about all the flaming and bitching that would go on, but went right into looking into it and looking for a solution as he was very confident in his product and couldnt understand why it came out under. Now heres the kicker. I saw that he posted a test OF HIS OWN PRIMO, that came back slightly under as well. He took the iniative to test a batch of his own primo to try to solve the problem. It came back under, and he openly shared the results to everyone. He is trying to troubleshoot the problem, and is determined to correct it. Even if it is through trial and error. Looking into his filtering methods and raw materials etc... The point is ... he is actively working on the issue. Do you see any other labs working on their problems and doing tests on their own prods out of their own pockets? No ... you dont. To me, this is a lab that takes their product serious, and like BRR said, they are not to fuckin cheap to spend the money to get to the bottom of things so they can produce and offer a high quality product to their customers. This is the only lab that in my mind didnt come off as looking like a fuck-tard, and is DOING SOMETHING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT. Not just brushing it under the table.
Im sure people are going to say I am pushing these labs, which is fuckin rediculous, but if I had to use any UG lab, (and I havent used any of these yet), it would be either dpharm/pharmagene, Syrus, or Univex. These are the only ones that I feel really know what they are doing, and more importantly ... are concerned with the quality of their prods. THis is just my opinion, and I know many may or may not agree. THis is the risk that people will have to take when using UG labs. Its up to the user to do their own research, and choose a lab carefully, instead of jumping on the flavour of the month, or the cheapest prod on the market. If you are going UG, look for quality product over price tags. This is stuff you are injecting into your body remember.
Mavy
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