Is this considered "scamming" in your opinion?

[DIVISION]

My take: Since this particular lab had a cookie cutter approach to manufacturing his gear where the product consisted of the same compound at the same dosage he stood to make out rather nicely by diluting his products and I believe this was deliberate. If it was intentional, which I believe it was then that is stealing. Stealing and scamming are synonymous.

You are right on with your analysis, JA.

Underdosing is Underdosing and that's scamming any way you look at it.

The product has to measure up to what the label claims, no matter what kind of price breaks you are getting from a bulk order.

DIV

 

[BigAndy69]

+/- 10% is the accepted range for dosing (even when it comes to legit pharms..)

60% is clearly a scam.

 

[2BIG4URMOM]

+/- 10% is the accepted range for dosing (even when it comes to legit pharms..)

60% is clearly a scam.

I could settle with + or - 10% with something like test, but my main concern would be the safety issues. If they can under dose a compound by 60% and say it was overlooked I would certainly question their integrity and or competence.

Legit co.'s like R_C will make up the difference lost by adding 10% due to product absorption. When a co. does things like that you know they are looking out for the customer and not just trying to make a buck.

 

[Wingnut32]

Thats like telling a girl at a bar that you have a 12'' pecker....Then when she gets you home its only 5''. I'm sure she would feel scammed.

 

[slat1]

SCAM! How would you like it if you company paid you 60% of what you signed on for? Would you have a problem. I would notice if they paid me 1% less... and I would not be happy to say the least. If my check was different every week I would be pissed too. Sell what you advertise or get labeled a scam artist!

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

scam

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Ok I couldn't read every response to this post... BUT... here is something to consider.

I know a few guys that own Supplement companies, many of them buy their raws from either India or China. These guys use legal means to import their products, and every then and again the manufacturers in those countries will send bunk product, or products that do not meet purity standards.
The only way for the person buying the stuff to know is to get the raws tested. Some of the guys from HM Gear and ALR Industries who import prohormones and prosteroids have told me they have had to send products back because they tested below their required 99%, some didn’t even have any real working product in them!. Even Ulter has told us he has refused raw materials from China because they did not meet his standards.

A good reputable lab will test their raws once they get them into the country.

But it doesn’t stop there… some times the company that bottles your products will under dose the stuff either by accident or on purpose.
So a good reputable company will get them tested once again after they are bottled.

In this scenario one of three things could have happened:

1- They got product that was only 50% hormone the other 50% god knows what. Best case scenario, some inert material… Worst case scenario, some nasty shit that will harm your body.

2- Their Lab guys cut their product. A disgruntle employee, maybe felt he wasn’t getting paid enough, or needed some start up capital to fund his own operation. Happens all of the time, even EF has gone thru something like this.

3- They are just scaming fucks. If you say there is 250mg per ml in that bottle then I should expect nothing less than 245mg…

Make no mistake about it, in any of the three scenarios, the lab is responsible.


Some of you guys Loooooove your UG labs… You never know what you are putting in you!

 

[coachj0233]

well JA i couldnt help but replying to this thread. youve read my reply on meso already but lets see what others have to say........... (yes it was edited a tad just so people didnt have to register at synergy to see the tests)
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its all about name recognition and whos "in the source clique" and "whos not"

if estilink(the guy JA is referring to with this post) is a scammer bc of a product being underdosed then couture labs (300mg of EQ instead of 400mg), AMD (no deca instead of 500mg), QGL (79.3mg primo instead of 100mg), Anabolic Pharms (414mg test instead of 500mg), Berkley Meyer (173mg cyp instead of 200mg) are all scammers correct?

No? but you are claiming his products were underdosed so hes a scammer right? why is he the only one? ohhhhhh thats right! hes not in the clique like the above mentioned sources are.


None of these sources are scammers. we all know that. so why is estilink different? hell hes the only one to actually be willing to make it up to customers in some sort of way. did the above mentioned sources give out primo, deca, eq or test to any customers to make up for this? nope sure didnt, but i forgot..... they are the golden boys they dont have to do that right?

one of these days people will think with open mindedness and not with bias. until then nothing will change on this board.

-coachj

the above was my reply to JA about the lab that tested at 100mg instead of 250mg. im in no way affiliated with this lab, im just replying bc i think open mindedly no matter WHO the source is. i dont care if youve been around for one month or 10 years youll still get the same response from me bc i dont believe in the clique principle unlike alot of people on the various boards.

so with everyones responses above, are most of these labs scammers now? NO THEY DEFINITELY ARENT. but ya know what sets estilink apart from the others labs???? ill tell ya. its the fact that estilink is willing to send gear back to customers from another batch unlike all of the above mentioned sources. i think its time that people on these boards have the same standards for every single lab including their favorite one also. have a great day
-coachj

 

[Juice Authority]

well JA i couldnt help but replying to this thread. youve read my reply on meso already but lets see what others have to say........... (yes it was edited a tad just so people didnt have to register at synergy to see the tests)
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its all about name recognition and whos "in the source clique" and "whos not"

if estilink(the guy JA is referring to with this post) is a scammer bc of a product being underdosed then couture labs (300mg of EQ instead of 400mg), AMD (no deca instead of 500mg), QGL (79.3mg primo instead of 100mg), Anabolic Pharms (414mg test instead of 500mg), Berkley Meyer (173mg cyp instead of 200mg) are all scammers correct?

No? but you are claiming his products were underdosed so hes a scammer right? why is he the only one? ohhhhhh thats right! hes not in the clique like the above mentioned sources are.


None of these sources are scammers. we all know that. so why is estilink different? hell hes the only one to actually be willing to make it up to customers in some sort of way. did the above mentioned sources give out primo, deca, eq or test to any customers to make up for this? nope sure didnt, but i forgot..... they are the golden boys they dont have to do that right?

one of these days people will think with open mindedness and not with bias. until then nothing will change on this board.

-coachj

the above was my reply to JA about the lab that tested at 100mg instead of 250mg. im in no way affiliated with this lab, im just replying bc i think open mindedly no matter WHO the source is. i dont care if youve been around for one month or 10 years youll still get the same response from me bc i dont believe in the clique principle unlike alot of people on the various boards.

so with everyones responses above, are most of these labs scammers now? NO THEY DEFINITELY ARENT. but ya know what sets estilink apart from the others labs???? ill tell ya. its the fact that estilink is willing to send gear back to customers from another batch unlike all of the above mentioned sources. i think its time that people on these boards have the same standards for every single lab including their favorite one also. have a great day
-coachj

Welcome to EF coach. I never had a problem with you over at Meso. I think you'd be a valuable contributor here but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

lol lol

this is a riot...

If you part of "the clique" throw up your signs!


who da fuck is the clique? how do you earn your colors? do you have to get jumped in?


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