Is r-ALA better than regular ALA?

[SofaGeorge]

actually just trying to get those that have voted to post.. and just answering questions, not pimping r-ala. Obviously the effects are different. and trying to clarify the exogenous insulin issue for SK*

you have noticed that there are 5 votes and only one post.. though would venture to guess that Ice's post counts as his vote, though not sure how valuable it is since he has not tried both.

The intention of this survey is to get feed back ONLY from people who have tried both. That's why I haven't voted. I've only tried r-ALA.

If I had to give an early vote I'd say it definitely seems to work, but it is much too soon to give an actual quanatative answer - and I can't do a comparison without trying ALA.

 

[luto199]

okay we all know by now Macro and Ulter make $$$ from selling R-Ala and we know Iceman TRIES to make $$$ selling ALA (although i dont know how successful he is). Now, as long as their responses are founded with some proof to back them up then let them post. I just hope the bickering goes away, its in every single ala thread! Dont point fingers just shut face!

 

[macrophage69alpha]

sofageorge,

part of the reason that you see benefits that Sk* did not is due to age. this is pretty clear from the studies, juveniles(at least rats)..unless insulin resistant or diabetic get much less effect.

as far as half life.. it is a matter of rate of absorption and excretion, though one would venture that onset is 5-20 min (depends on food, water, etc) with effect peaking and rapidly descending within a 60-90 min time frame.. this is what the studies which are not all that in depth show.. basically it varies but once you get a peak there is fairly rapid excretion

 

[SofaGeorge]

sofageorge,

part of the reason that you see benefits that Sk* did not is due to age. this is pretty clear from the studies, juveniles(at least rats)..unless insulin resistant or diabetic get much less effect.

as far as half life.. it is a matter of rate of absorption and excretion, though one would venture that onset is 5-20 min (depends on food, water, etc) with effect peaking and rapidly descending within a 60-90 min time frame.. this is what the studies which are not all that in depth show.. basically it varies but once you get a peak there is fairly rapid excretion

I wouldn't expect a healthy normal 19 year old to see much benefit from r-ALA/ALA if they have the real world ascribed effect.

Given a 5-20 min onset with peak spike in 60-90... effectiveness or lack there of is critically affected by how long r-ALA/ALA remains active after that peak. I'm sure you didn't overlook carb peaks and double spiking when you were addressing dose and timing of dose for r-ALA.

I took my first dose of 300mg prior to a high carb dinner. I assumed the probablity of a rapid downside curve and took a second dose of 200 mg 105-120 minutes later.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I took my first dose of 300mg prior to a high carb dinner. I assumed the probablity of a rapid downside curve and took a second dose of 200 mg 105-120 minutes later.

interesting approach, though you should be able to use a little less with second dose.. 200mg is probably overkill

 

[luto199]

I wouldn't expect a healthy normal 19 year old to see much benefit from r-ALA/ALA if they have the real world ascribed effect.

Can you clarify this, im 19 and just started on R-ala. I used to be a little butterball so i assume i have am insulin resistant. Why would it make a difference if i am 19 or 90?

 

[SofaGeorge]

interesting approach, though you should be able to use a little less with second dose.. 200mg is probably overkill

Possibly... but I can't find ANY accurate reference for what does ranges might work... what carb or glycemic ranges might affect dose amounts... etc...

Since the dosage ranges for r-ALA and ALA seem to be based wholly on voodoo and guess work... I prefer overkill to gaining a 1/8 of an inch on my waist.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

btw- just wanted to make clear that the vote was based on my personal experience. Have used ALA off and on for about 5 years... I was actually using 2-3grams a day of racemic(kilosports) while on vacation in australia.. interestingly talking to someone who saw me there today. said that I had leaned out a bit, they asked if my bloated belly had gone away.. (this person knows next to nothing about supps this was just an interesting outside observation.. at least to me).. btw- still had abs(relatively ), just distended belly.

 

[SofaGeorge]

Can you clarify this, im 19 and just started on R-ala. I used to be a little butterball so i assume i have am insulin resistant. Why would it make a difference if i am 19 or 90?

I'm 43. Becoming insulin resistant is part of aging.

Until I was 35 I couldn't store bodyfat no matter how hard I tried. I ate pizza, cake, icecream, and brownies as main courses any time I wanted to and never had to worry about getting fat.

At about 37-38... putting on a waist became possible... and by 40 it was easy if I didn't eat carefully.

Most 19 year olds are not insulin resistant. Most 90 year olds are.

If you are a butterball at 19 you are very possibly insulin resistant.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Can you clarify this, im 19 and just started on R-ala. I used to be a little butterball so i assume i have am insulin resistant. Why would it make a difference if i am 19 or 90?

increases insulin resistance is highly correlated with age.

some ethnicities, particularly american indians, eskimos and some of african descent may have rapid and early onset of insulin resistance due to hereditary factors (related to ancestral diet)

but you can be young and insulin resistant.. it is becoming quite common due to a # of environmental and dietary factors