Is my friend on roids ??

[fitness4lyfe]

My friend was working out for like 4-5 months in the summer of last year and got up to 75's on the flat db bench for 6-8 reps.

He just started working out in the beginning of feburary and he said he was db benching 70's. Now about a month later he says he is db benching 85's for 6 reps.

So is he on roids with that huge jump from 70's to 85's on flat db bench.

He says he is only taking creatine, glutamine, protein.

 

[Introspective]

What are his stats ? what did he do whilst having time out, what does he eat, how much sleep, whats lifestyle like,

 

[bignate73]

He says he is only taking creatine, glutamine, protein.

then don't worry about him. thats what he wants you to know...

70-85lb db increase is not that big of deal to warrant thinking he is on something.

 

[Sassy69]

IF he changed his diet to support growth then its possible. When I ran my first " bulking diet" targeted at power lifting, my squats easily doubled. (Not that I was lifting a lot in the first place - but to go from 1 45 plate to 2 45 plates because you started eating 3000 cals instead of 1800 is sort of impressive.)

 

[Introspective]

Yea it's possible he did outher things that naturally increased his strength whilst having time out, maybe he grew more muscle. Like nate said, its only 15lbs

 

[fitness4lyfe]

What are his stats ? what did he do whilst having time out, what does he eat, how much sleep, whats lifestyle like,

He is like 6'0 175 . He did nothing while having time out. He eats 100 g of protein a day tops, basically his diet sucks ass. Besides his working out he is very lazy(no cardio). He sleeps around 6-7 hours a day.

 

[BiggT]

No, he is not necessarily on 'roids, lol.....not doing cardio is good for getting stronger, and a 'sucky' diet can be good because he may very well eat a caloric surplus and get enough of what he needs......actually, that type of improvement is perfectly normal progression for somebody who trains properly.

 

[b fold the truth]

Why would you care if anyone was using anything?

When people first start training...their gains go through the roof no matter what.

 

[DZLS]

that's hardly a huge jump... not for 6 reps...

 

[fitness4lyfe]

Why would you care if anyone was using anything?

When people first start training...their gains go through the roof no matter what.

Because it would take me at least 6 months to go from 70's to 85's on the flat db bench under the same circumstances, and he did it in a month.

I'm just curious thats all.

 

[bignate73]

i notice alot when taking creatine alone, so I definitely think its possible.

 

[EnderJE]

Because it would take me at least 6 months to go from 70's to 85's on the flat db bench under the same circumstances, and he did it in a month.

I'm just curious thats all.

Does it matter if the answer was yes or no?

I'm just curious.

People are different and progress at different speeds.

 

[fitness4lyfe]

Does it matter if the answer was yes or no?

I'm just curious.

People are different and progress at different speeds.

I know people progress at different speeds.

But wouldn't you want to know if your friend is on roids if he got as strong as you in less time and he kept bugging you that he is as strong and will surpass you quickly.

 

[Andalite]

i dont think he's on roids... thats with my limited knowledge, but no.. i dont think he's on stuff... may be its just the effect of creatine...?

 

[bignate73]

But wouldn't you want to know if your friend is on roids if he got as strong as you in less time and he kept bugging you that he is as strong and will surpass you quickly.

Only if it bothers you that much...

 

[BiggT]

I know people progress at different speeds.

But wouldn't you want to know if your friend is on roids if he got as strong as you in less time and he kept bugging you that he is as strong and will surpass you quickly.

Some people are more gifted than others, and also, people have different strengths. It shouldn't bother you that much, and if he is overly obnoxious about it, punch him in the face before he gets too big, and at the rate he is going, it'll be soon, so you better act now, lol.

Seriously, your friend may just be more gifted for building strength than you.....you may be a better endurance athlete or better looking or smarter, lol.....he may also just be a better presser (or even more specific, a better dumbell presser).....maybe you blow him away on squats or pulls or both. Find something you're better at and bust him right back. Friendly banter can work like that.

 

[blut wump]

There's not enough info to tell. If someone trains hard then such a leap is not unreasonable. Watch and see whether he does it again a couple more times over similar time periods. Even that won't be conclusive.

Give your mate a break. It can be annoying to get accused by those around you of being on steroids when you're simply busting your balls in the gym. To have someone called 'friend' accuse you can really piss you off.

My wife has been convinced that I've been on steroids for the past couple of years. I can dismiss it since I know she doesn't know what she's talking about. Beware lest your friend dump you in that category.

Like BiggT says, find a lift you can beat him on and build a mutually competetive rivalry. You'll each grow and can sit back while people mutter about "those two juicers".

 

[b fold the truth]

I really hope that someone using the 85's on flat dbell bench isn't on performance enhancing substances.

 

[BiggT]

I really hope that someone using the 85's on flat dbell bench isn't on performance enhancing substances.

Man, you've been out of the commercial gyms too long, lol.....While you're 100% right and I agree with you 100%, the sad truth is that people everywhere are using steroids when there is NO need.....I see 19 year old kids at the gym talking about taking a gram of test a week, then I see them struggle to bench 275 for a single....it's truly pathetic.

 

[imdave0182]

Man, you've been out of the commercial gyms too long, lol.....While you're 100% right and I agree with you 100%, the sad truth is that people everywhere are using steroids when there is NO need.....I see 19 year old kids at the gym talking about taking a gram of test a week, then I see them struggle to bench 275 for a single....it's truly pathetic.

Tell me you're exaggerating.

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

Yes.

Note - I refuse to read anything else.

 

[silver_shadow]

Because it would take me at least 6 months to go from 70's to 85's on the flat db bench under the same circumstances, and he did it in a month.

I'm just curious thats all.

then YOU need to review what YOU are doing because thats an awful long time to go from 70 to 85 lbs on the flat db bench.

 

[mm107]

nope hes not. Sad but true, My Gym has tanning included, so guess where all the acne people go. Nothing is wrong with AAS at all, but if u didnt reach ur limit b4 using them, then u just arent informed enough. Ive seen kids 17-19 on orals at the gym, im 19, with a nice build, i get asked about gear all the time, and what sucks I KNOW TOO MUCH to be "not on" lol. So my knowledge has definatlet let some believe i have used/or am using. LOL Maybe its because im the only nut SCREAMING at the gym because im busting my balls.

But i wouldnt accuse your friend of going "on", if anything wait for the sides, (bloating, irration, acne, etc,) before even accusing him. I know for a fact i fuckin hate it when i get accused of being on, really hurts honestly, its basically saying, "what the fuck ur not better then me, you must be on juice, you dont know what hard work is"

just my .02 cents. Besides if its your gym buddy, wouldnt he have said anything about it, even if he doesnt want to tell you he is on, he would talk about something to get something off his chest.

 

[b fold the truth]

Man, you've been out of the commercial gyms too long, lol.....While you're 100% right and I agree with you 100%, the sad truth is that people everywhere are using steroids when there is NO need.....I see 19 year old kids at the gym talking about taking a gram of test a week, then I see them struggle to bench 275 for a single....it's truly pathetic.

I have quite a few friends here who fit that bill accordingly...it just baffles me. I have two training partners right now.
Sergei from Russia, ex competitive bodybuilder and powerlifter.
Nickolas from Cyprus (here) and just turned 15. We were trying to explain to Nickolas that the big guys that he saw on the Strongman DVD's and at the big Bodybuilding Show...didn't get that way from drugs alone...a lot of hard training and food went into what he saw.

Not sure I agree that people should wait till they have reached their natural limit before using AAS. I think that if you wait till you hit THAT limit then you have probably wasted your chance to really be competitive. Most people who are SERIOUS about competing are also not natural...because they will do whatever it takes. It takes the AAS. But...those people are competitors which entails A LOT of hard work. Most people in the gyms on AAS using the baby blue dbells aren't competitors willing to put in any kind of hard work.

I will say this, though, I began at 152 lbs and have weighed 308 completely drug free. I wasn't healthy at that body weight but I did it.

My thought is that when this "friend" hits a wall with his progress...he will stop training again and the man starting this thread (who stays the course in his drug-free training) will continue to grow and gain. This person will eventually be bigger and stronger than his friend. There were A LOT of people in the gym when I was 16 and 152 lbs who were BIG and using AAS. A lot of them laughed (literally) at me when I was killing myself training. Now when they see me...they make room.

 

[fitness4lyfe]

I have quite a few friends here who fit that bill accordingly...it just baffles me. I have two training partners right now.
Sergei from Russia, ex competitive bodybuilder and powerlifter.
Nickolas from Cyprus (here) and just turned 15. We were trying to explain to Nickolas that the big guys that he saw on the Strongman DVD's and at the big Bodybuilding Show...didn't get that way from drugs alone...a lot of hard training and food went into what he saw.

Not sure I agree that people should wait till they have reached their natural limit before using AAS. I think that if you wait till you hit THAT limit then you have probably wasted your chance to really be competitive. Most people who are SERIOUS about competing are also not natural...because they will do whatever it takes. It takes the AAS. But...those people are competitors which entails A LOT of hard work. Most people in the gyms on AAS using the baby blue dbells aren't competitors willing to put in any kind of hard work.

I will say this, though, I began at 152 lbs and have weighed 308 completely drug free. I wasn't healthy at that body weight but I did it.

My thought is that when this "friend" hits a wall with his progress...he will stop training again and the man starting this thread (who stays the course in his drug-free training) will continue to grow and gain. This person will eventually be bigger and stronger than his friend. There were A LOT of people in the gym when I was 16 and 152 lbs who were BIG and using AAS. A lot of them laughed (literally) at me when I was killing myself training. Now when they see me...they make room.

nice post

 

[silver_shadow]

I have quite a few friends here who fit that bill accordingly...it just baffles me. I have two training partners right now.
Sergei from Russia, ex competitive bodybuilder and powerlifter.
Nickolas from Cyprus (here) and just turned 15. We were trying to explain to Nickolas that the big guys that he saw on the Strongman DVD's and at the big Bodybuilding Show...didn't get that way from drugs alone...a lot of hard training and food went into what he saw.

Not sure I agree that people should wait till they have reached their natural limit before using AAS. I think that if you wait till you hit THAT limit then you have probably wasted your chance to really be competitive. Most people who are SERIOUS about competing are also not natural...because they will do whatever it takes. It takes the AAS. But...those people are competitors which entails A LOT of hard work. Most people in the gyms on AAS using the baby blue dbells aren't competitors willing to put in any kind of hard work.

I will say this, though, I began at 152 lbs and have weighed 308 completely drug free. I wasn't healthy at that body weight but I did it.

My thought is that when this "friend" hits a wall with his progress...he will stop training again and the man starting this thread (who stays the course in his drug-free training) will continue to grow and gain. This person will eventually be bigger and stronger than his friend. There were A LOT of people in the gym when I was 16 and 152 lbs who were BIG and using AAS. A lot of them laughed (literally) at me when I was killing myself training. Now when they see me...they make room.

those are more often than not pink DBs

 

[Sassy69]

I think the easy litmus test between someone who shoots & has no idea and someone who actually does have a clue and has accomplished their results w/ work & knowledge is the one who knows what you mean when you ask how they eat to gain muscle.

If they dont' know that protein is the best anabolic, then they missed that whole semester of school & just showed up for the test. (lol a little pun there too..!)

 

[fbodyguy02]

It's his own business....if you are that curious, just ask. If he's a good friend he will tell you.

Ona side note- Creatine alone can help increase strenth so that might be it.

 

[tay1506]

Thats not that great of an increase the first 3 months i started working out again my bench went up 70 lbs. and then started halting. The first month i went up probly about 30 - 40 lbs on bench. If you lift right and eat enough your test will make an amazing jump that you can tell especially at a younger age (18 - 25). I really noticed it, I was kinda angry all the time and I would say shit to anyone and my acne and bloating got pretty bad and all my close friends and even my mom thought i was on the juice.

 

[casualbb]

nothing more to say, thread closed.