Is liver damage from orals overrated?

[gjohnson5]

You just answered you own question. If you did have a doc at the time , they would has asked for his name and number. The health insurance underwriters will ask for health information from you. One company brought a sales person to interview me.

As far as liver supps go , I've had blood test and ultrasound done. Chemicals can cause ones liver to fail outright. A diet high in fast food can cause ones liver to degenerate and it may not regenerate until the diet is altered. Saying that you would have to have some liver disease in order to attain substantial liver damage is just off base.

I've never heard of any doctor saying r+ala cures hepatitis B either...

Yeah I guess I don't understand. Why would they talk to your doc? I carried my own insurance for years. When I got my own insurance (insurance.com I think it was) they didn't talk to any doc because I didn't even have a regular doc at the time. I filled out the forms and medical history and they gave me a quote and I sent my money. Simple as that. Same for life insurance except they did their own labs and EKG before giving the policy. You must have something else going on. Did they say why you were rejected?

Don't get me wrong I know a lot guys hold liver supps up like they are the holy grail but I am not convinced. The liver regenerates itself without any help and levels go back to normal on their own unless you already in cirrhosis. That is something the body already does naturally. I haven't heard of any docs recommending liver supplements to their patients with liver problems.

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[perp69]

You just answered you own question. If you did have a doc at the time , they would has asked for his name and number. The health insurance underwriters will ask for health information from you. One company brought a sales person to interview me.

As far as liver supps go , I've had blood test and ultrasound done. Chemicals can cause ones liver to fail outright. A diet high in fast food can cause ones liver to degenerate and it may not regenerate until the diet is altered. Saying that you would have to have some liver disease in order to attain substantial liver damage is just off base.

I've never heard of any doctor saying r+ala cures hepatitis B either...

I am trying to share some info that may help you but take it or don't that is up to you. Just saying it does not make sense that you would be denied coverage based on old liver labs. Maybe you got something big on your medical record that you not sharing. As you stated many people are taking meds that can elevated liver function. Not a big deal. They can go back down. Sounds like you should apply again and not list your doctor if you feel he is giving them bad info on you. Check out insurance.com you can see quotes from several different companies. Goldenrule gave us a great rate.

As far as the liver supps go you made the assertion that maybe because you were not taking them on your cycle your labs were high and you got denied. That is plain silly. Of course your labs are going to be elevated 1 wk post cycle of any AAS. I look at healthy and sick livers, liver transplants and blood work everyday in my job so I know a bit about what I am talking about. Obviously you believe liver supps work for you so buy liver supps if it gives you a warm fuzzy. As far labs go you would need labs run with and without liver supps on the same cycle and diet and the ability to keep all variables constant to even begin to make the assertion that they work (ultrasound can't tell you that by the way). Yes, you sure can overdose on say something like tylenol and shock the liver into acute failure but you would be getting a liver transplant if that was the case. Like I said supplement companies do not have to back up what they claim their product does. The only supps that have been demonstrated to have some merit are creatine and protein powder.

Perp

 

[Excidium28]

I look at it, if pros can take 200-250mgs of Dbol/Anadrol ED, Im sure ill be fine with my 50-75mgs.

I've been rotating 50mg Dbol/75mg Anadrol/100mg primo for the last 7 weeks (along with injectables, I got my blood test done before I started the cycle, and Ill be going in to check my liver again while on cycle.

 

[TheSnowOwnsYou]

I think this varies from person to person obviously. My doctor did send me for a liver ultrasound after my enzymes were way to high for comfort after a cycle that included oral winstrol and anavar. now i just do injectibles

 

[chilledandy]

Milk thistle is prescribed in Germany actually.

Just my opinion on so called liver supplements but think they are bunch of horseshit. If they were so effective docs would be puttin all patients on them with liver problems. Remember supplements and the companies that sell them don't have to do test or real studies for what they claim to do. I could sell chocolate as a liver supplement.

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[perp69]

Milk thistle is prescribed in Germany actually.

Interesting. Know what for?

Perp

 

[gjohnson5]

I intentionally haven't mentioned milk thistle because it is a weed from a plat family called ambrosia. If one is allergic to ragweed , you will probably react to milk thistle as well

Milk thistle is prescribed in Germany actually.

 

[gjohnson5]

I wasn't asking for information from you. If you want to give me information , then at least give me something that is actually accurate

This is a waste of my time at this point. You have completely mis characterized what I said and we are now going back and forth on an issue I've described a few times already. The part in bold is the only thing silly in this exchange. I will not go back over the situation

If you don't believe in liver supplements , then say so . Saying that they don't work is just wrong. Obviously I am not the only one who thinks this is true
http://www.rxcarecanada.com/Milk Thistle.asp?prodid=219377
Glutathione is also given in prescriptions in IV form. But what do I know...
*edit*
http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/187/1/211
*edit*
And as a finale,
I didn't say I was without insurance currently. Thanks for pointing me to an insurance company I already subscribe to...

I am trying to share some info that may help you but take it or don't that is up to you. Just saying it does not make sense that you would be denied coverage based on old liver labs. Maybe you got something big on your medical record that you not sharing. As you stated many people are taking meds that can elevated liver function. Not a big deal. They can go back down. Sounds like you should apply again and not list your doctor if you feel he is giving them bad info on you. Check out insurance.com you can see quotes from several different companies. Goldenrule gave us a great rate.

As far as the liver supps go you made the assertion that maybe because you were not taking them on your cycle your labs were high and you got denied. That is plain silly. Of course your labs are going to be elevated 1 wk post cycle of any AAS. I look at healthy and sick livers, liver transplants and blood work everyday in my job so I know a bit about what I am talking about. Obviously you believe liver supps work for you so buy liver supps if it gives you a warm fuzzy. As far labs go you would need labs run with and without liver supps on the same cycle and diet and the ability to keep all variables constant to even begin to make the assertion that they work (ultrasound can't tell you that by the way). Yes, you sure can overdose on say something like tylenol and shock the liver into acute failure but you would be getting a liver transplant if that was the case. Like I said supplement companies do not have to back up what they claim their product does. The only supps that have been demonstrated to have some merit are creatine and protein powder.

Perp

 

[ChessPharm]

All Orals are Toxic

 

[perp69]

I wasn't asking for information from you. If you want to give me information , then at least give me something that is actually accurate

This is a waste of my time at this point. You have completely mis characterized what I said and we are now going back and forth on an issue I've described a few times already. The part in bold is the only thing silly in this exchange. I will not go back over the situation

If you don't believe in liver supplements , then say so . Saying that they don't work is just wrong. Obviously I am not the only one who thinks this is true
http://www.rxcarecanada.com/Milk Thistle.asp?prodid=219377
Glutathione is also given in prescriptions in IV form. But what do I know...
*edit*
http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/187/1/211
*edit*
And as a finale,
I didn't say I was without insurance currently. Thanks for pointing me to an insurance company I already subscribe to...

Whatever man. I was correcting the misleading crap you posted. I can see newbies reading that and running out to the walmart to load up on life saving supplements.
I am glad you at least acknowledge what you said was silly. I did say my opinion was they are horseshit because studies have not shown they do work consistantly. Saying liver supps work without any studies to back it up is wrong also isn't it? Did you read the links you posted? Your first one says milk thistle is a tonic use by herbalists. Come on man. Your second one "Theoretically, there are many very strong arguments in favor of a therapeutic use of glutathione," says Appleton. "But when people have actually tried to use glutathione as an oral supplement, nasal spray, or intravenously, the results have been more of a preliminary nature. The amount of research on glutathione as a supplement ... is very limited."

Glad you got coverage.
Any who. Good luck to you.

Perp