Is Just D-bol enough?

[GetBig08]

Im 5'9 about 145pds......i only wanna put on about 15-25 pds. All the forums i read say to stack d-bol with test, wich sounds like a great idea but i dnt wanna put on alot of weight.....i have 50 tabs of 50mg d-bol on the way and plan to take 50mg a day......will this be enough for what i want or do i need to get some test. and what do i need to get on aster the cycle so i wont lose it all........


.i look forward to your info
thanks in advanced!

 

[advanced-stealth]

Is this your first cycle.

 

[holy ghost]

TEST is BEST

 

[cadey]

Im 5'9 about 145pds......i only wanna put on about 15-25 pds. All the forums i read say to stack Dianabol - methandrostenolone - with test, wich sounds like a great idea but i dnt wanna put on alot of weight.....i have 50 tabs of 50mg Dianabol - methandrostenolone - on the way and plan to take 50mg a day......will this be enough for what i want or do i need to get some test. and what do i need to get on aster the cycle so i wont lose it all........


.i look forward to your info
thanks in advanced!

you might put on 15-25 lbs of water. then lose it all when you stop.

 

[hyp1]

Im 5'9 about 145pds......i only wanna put on about 15-25 pds. All the forums i read say to stack Dianabol - methandrostenolone - with test, wich sounds like a great idea but i dnt wanna put on alot of weight.....i have 50 tabs of 50mg Dianabol - methandrostenolone - on the way and plan to take 50mg a day......will this be enough for what i want or do i need to get some test. and what do i need to get on aster the cycle so i wont lose it all........


.i look forward to your info
thanks in advanced!

first off whats your age?sounds like you're young as hell bro and if you're under the age of 21 you've got no fucking business with gear of any kind.your body is naturally flooded with natural testosterone and if you do gear you can seal your growth plates and actually stunt your growth.

and no a cycle of dianabol won't make you huge,you will lose every goddamned bit of it (which will be 90% water retention in the first place)as soon as you quit taking it.injections are your best friend and they're easier on your body.......but chances are you're under 21 so it really doesn't matter does it?

if nothing else train heavy as hell with clean form,increase your caloric and protein intake like crazy,get enough rest and do that until you're 21 or 22 and you will have a great foundation to build on,break the 200lb mark naturally.
study steroid profiles,serms and aromatase inhibitor's,and post cycle therapy.......then and only then can you make a wise decision.

best of luck bro

 

[hyp1]

just as I thought,he's a fucking 18 year old......he pm'd me and asked me for help on how to keep his dianabol gains.

bro you've got no business on these forums,or fucking with gear at your age.PERIOD

 

[a creed]

No

 

[enacer420nj]

just as I thought,he's a fucking 18 year old......he pm'd me and asked me for help on how to keep his dianabol gains.

bro you've got no business on these forums,or fucking with gear at your age.PERIOD

agreed bro, at least you gave him what advice you could that hes too young.

 

[mattdan]

and no a cycle of dianabol won't make you huge,you will lose every goddamned bit of it (which will be 90% water retention in the first place)as
best of luck bro

PL, that's the first thing you've said that I disagree with. I've done a d.bol only cycle and I kept most of the gains. I think the key is lower doses for longer periods.

Muscle is muscle no matter which compound made it grow.

 

[hyp1]

PL, that's the first thing you've said that I disagree with. I've done a d.bol only cycle and I kept most of the gains. I think the key is lower doses for longer periods.

Muscle is muscle no matter which compound made it grow.

you must have been taking a motherfucking microscopic dose of the shit bro.........LOL

everyone that I have ever known including myself that has done dianabol blows up like a blimp(from water retention) and then shrivels up immediately after they stop taking it.

if you had any gains whatsoever and kept them,then you had to have stacked it with a testostrone base.......now that I can believe.

muscle is muscle,but there are compounds like anadrol and dianabol that cause drastic water retention and that is quickly lost after the cycle is over.

telling anyone that they can retain most if not all of their gains from a dianabol only cycle is seriously fucking misleading and imo doesn't hold water.

keep stating that kind of shit and this place will be flooded with underage noobs wanting advice to do oral only cycles so they can 'blow up',and still not feeling that they need to educate themselves on proper androgen use or injection techniques or post cycle therapy when the fuckers shouldn't even be doing them in the first fucking place.

 

[Stryker1992]

PL, that's the first thing you've said that I disagree with. I've done a d.bol only cycle and I kept most of the gains. I think the key is lower doses for longer periods.

Muscle is muscle no matter which compound made it grow.

My first cycle was 50 mg's per day of d-bol.. I gained 22 lbs and kept every fucking ounce! Still have it!

 

[mattdan]

you must have been taking a motherfucking microscopic dose of the shit bro.........LOL

everyone that I have ever known including myself that has done dianabol blows up like a blimp(from water retention) and then shrivels up immediately after they stop taking it.

if you had any gains whatsoever and kept them,then you had to have stacked it with a testostrone base.......now that I can believe.

muscle is muscle,but there are compounds like anadrol and dianabol that cause drastic water retention and that is quickly lost after the cycle is over.

telling anyone that they can retain most if not all of their gains from a dianabol only cycle is seriously fucking misleading and imo doesn't hold water.

keep stating that kind of shit and this place will be flooded with underage noobs wanting advice to do oral only cycles so they can 'blow up',and still not feeling that they need to educate themselves on proper androgen use or injection techniques or post cycle therapy when the fuckers shouldn't even be doing them in the first fucking place.

You're talking about weight gains, I'm talking about strength gains. I think that's the biggest difference.

Remember that I was a football player, then a competing power lifter.

Yes, you lose most of the weight gains, but certainly not all. But I did keep most of my strength gains. Also remember that I cut a lot of fat on the d.bol only cycle so much of the weight lost was fat.

YMMV, but I'm not the only one that kept a respectable amount of gains from an oral only cycle.

 

[hyp1]

perhaps you did keep some of your strength but admittedly you had to shrink up like a motherfucker when you started losing all that water weight...and sorry but I'm not buying that was fat loss(unless of course you were running an anti estrogen of some sort)

the condoning of oral only cycles is precisely why noobs are flooding this place
it's an easy out for them,no needles just pills
the 18 year old kid that created this thread thought he could keep all of his gains from a Dianabol - methandrostenolone - cycle too,that's what brought him to these forums.
telling noobs that they can pull that shit off isn't wise imo

glad you kept your strength regardless bro

 

[mattdan]

I'm not saying that it's the best way to do it. All that I'm saying is it's not the end of the world. I'm going to say my very first cycle put well over 50 lbs on my bench that I kept. True I gained MORE than that while I was on, but I kept well over 50 lbs after the cycle. (I'm being conservative here, it was probably more like 75 lbs kept.)

For the guy that's a receiver on a football team for example and doesn't want to bulk up. There's just nothing wrong with a light cycle of anav.ar only to help the tone, maybe even pick up some speed. Maybe he's a cross country runner or a track and field guy.

A lot of people have done ana only cycles and report good results. One guy on here had an extensive report of winny only with excellent results.

There is a place for oral only cycles. It is NOT the ideal way to do it in most cases.

 

[hyp1]

A lot of people have done ana only cycles and report good results. One guy on here had an extensive report of Winstrol - stanozolol only with excellent results.

There is a place for oral only cycles. It is NOT the ideal way to do it in most cases.
All that I'm saying is it's not the end of the world

produce a link on the dude that ran winstrol only with excellent results,and I will be a believer.......until then I will continue to think it's bullshit.

I'm not here to argue,run oral cycles until your liver enzymes force your skin to turn yellow along with your eyes.if it makes you happy...........LOL

and btw I don't believe in the end of the world,armageddon or any of that shit bro..........

 

[mattdan]

Come on bro, I'm too friggin lazy to do that lol.... I hope you're not calling me a liar here. No call for that. He was a foreign dude, had a weight problem. He posted pics like once a week. It had to be 6 months or so ago. It was a lenghty ass thread. The dude was actually pretty brave to put his pics on here because he started out fairly flabby.

After my post here I came across this article from AR. It's stickied at the top of the page. I'll post the main body of the thread here. His results exactly mirrored mine.



From the desk of Anthony Roberts
Professional Bodybuilding Coach
and author of Beyond Steroids

I still remember my first cycle as if it was yesterday. I had gotten my hands on enough Dbol for a 6 week run at a dose of 25mgs/day. And until that point, I’d read everything I could get my hands on about anabolic steroids… I’d literally been reading up for about two or three years before I did that cycle.

I know what you’re thinking: ”You read up for three years, and all you could think to do was a bunch of Dbol?”

Well, yeah, I actually wanted to do a totally different cycle... I wanted some Sustanon, some Anavar, and some Deca… but what I wanted and what I had access to is a different story, as is the story of what I could actually afford. I could afford a bunch of Bulgarian Dbol, and I had access to it, so that’s what I used. People like to concoct all of these “mad scientist” kinds of cycles, but what they can actually afford and have access to is usually far from the fantasy of the ultimate cycle.

So there I was, using 25mgs of Dianabol (Methandrostenolone) every day, split up into 1 tab, every 4 hours, calculated based on half life, etc, etc…now, of course, I know that it probably wouldn’t have mattered if I took all the tabs at once, or split into a half tab every 2 waking hours… but it all seemed so… scientific… to me back then. I got my bloodwork done pre-cycle, then again in the middle, and each time, nothing was really cause for alarm to me (elevated RBC, etc… but nothing indicating some kind of potential issue). My squat went up to 315 for 10 (not bad for a 19 year old), and I was closing in on 400 rapidly. My bodyweight went from 170 to about 195-198 (I’m 5’7”).

I got 4 pretty nasty looking zits on my back, and I could barely fit into my clothes anymore. Of course, after the cycle, I didn’t keep much of the weight, but I kept a lot of the strength, and I never went back down to anything nearing 170 ever again

Since then I’ve used almost every oral anabolic steroid in the world, from Anavar to Halotestin to Winstrol to Proviron, to virtually anything you can imagine.

 

[mattdan]

My first cycle was 50 mg's per day of Dianabol - methandrostenolone - .. I gained 22 lbs and kept every fucking ounce! Still have it!

A lot of people have had good experiences with oral only.

 

[hyp1]

Come on bro, I'm too friggin lazy to do that lol.... I hope you're not calling me a liar here. No call for that. He was a foreign dude, had a weight problem. He posted pics like once a week. It had to be 6 months or so ago. It was a lenghty ass thread. The dude was actually pretty brave to put his pics on here because he started out fairly flabby.

After my post here I came across this article from AR. It's stickied at the top of the page. I'll post the main body of the thread here. His results exactly mirrored mine.



From the desk of Anthony Roberts
Professional Bodybuilding Coach
and author of Beyond Steroids

I still remember my first cycle as if it was yesterday. I had gotten my hands on enough Dianabol - methandrostenolone - for a 6 week run at a dose of 25mgs/day. And until that point, I’d read everything I could get my hands on about anabolic steroids… I’d literally been reading up for about two or three years before I did that cycle.

I know what you’re thinking: ”You read up for three years, and all you could think to do was a bunch of Dianabol - methandrostenolone - ?”

Well, yeah, I actually wanted to do a totally different cycle... I wanted some Sustanon, some Anavar, and some Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - … but what I wanted and what I had access to is a different story, as is the story of what I could actually afford. I could afford a bunch of Bulgarian Dianabol - methandrostenolone - , and I had access to it, so that’s what I used. People like to concoct all of these “mad scientist” kinds of cycles, but what they can actually afford and have access to is usually far from the fantasy of the ultimate cycle.

So there I was, using 25mgs of Dianabol (Methandrostenolone) every day, split up into 1 tab, every 4 hours, calculated based on half life, etc, etc…now, of course, I know that it probably wouldn’t have mattered if I took all the tabs at once, or split into a half tab every 2 waking hours… but it all seemed so… scientific… to me back then. I got my bloodwork done pre-cycle, then again in the middle, and each time, nothing was really cause for alarm to me (elevated RBC, etc… but nothing indicating some kind of potential issue). My squat went up to 315 for 10 (not bad for a 19 year old), and I was closing in on 400 rapidly. My bodyweight went from 170 to about 195-198 (I’m 5’7”).

I got 4 pretty nasty looking zits on my back, and I could barely fit into my clothes anymore. Of course, after the cycle, I didn’t keep much of the weight, but I kept a lot of the strength, and I never went back down to anything nearing 170 ever again

Since then I’ve used almost every oral anabolic steroid in the world, from Anavar to Halotestin to Winstrol to Proviron, to virtually anything you can imagine.

I'm not calling you a liar,I'm just stating if you saw 'One guy on here had an extensive report of Winstrol - stanozolol only with excellent results' I would like a link or the 'extensive report' itself that you you claim that he made,stating the results and that winstrol was all he ran at the time.I don't think that's too much to ask,no offense meant.

the post from anthony roberts pretty much states what I've been saying all along

the key words being-

"I got 4 pretty nasty looking zits on my back, and I could barely fit into my clothes anymore. Of course, after the cycle, I didn’t keep much of the weight, but I kept a lot of the strength"

so he shrank like crazy from losing all that water retention and lost sizea after the cycle ended.'nuff said

 

[mattdan]

I don't have anything else to say. I just didn't want to give you the last word.

 

[hyp1]

I don't have anything else to say. I just didn't want to give you the last word.

hahahaha you little oral cycling sexy motherfucker

 

[MichaelScott]

he proved ur point for you hype nice

 

[mattdan]

he proved ur point for you hype nice

Pay closer attention to what's going on. Both points of view were proven if you'd pay more attention to the details.

My point was strength gains were kept. His point was weight gains were lost.

Both points were proven correct. Try and keep up there sparky.

Also - a point I was letting go on purpose until this was he said his body weight never went back anywere close to 170lbs again where he started. He also said he kept most of his strength gains.

Stop trying to turn this into a he was right, I was wrong thing. We both made our points, both have merit.

Bottom line is AR's results exactly mirrored mine. Kept some of the weight, most of the strength.

So how exactly does that make it a waste of time as many want people to believe? I gained a permanent 75+ (that's conservative) lbs on my bench, much more on my squats and deadlifts. It took me like 6 or 8 weeks to do it and was very cheap, which was important to me back then.

Bottom line is as long as a newbie knows this going into it, maybe that's all he can afford. WTF is the harm? Nothing.

 

[cipherking]

orals have just as many pros and cons as injections do. both done correctly and all is well. ive done tbol and keep all my weight and strength. dont understand why this is still argued when every person is different. some will do great and some wont.

NO teenager should be messing this stuff in till your body is ready.

 

[hyp1]

Pay closer attention to what's going on.

Stop trying to turn this into a he was right, I was wrong thing. We both made our points, both have merit.

Bottom line is AR's results exactly mirrored mine. Kept some of the weight, most of the strength.


Bottom line is as long as a newbie knows this going into it, maybe that's all he can afford. WTF is the harm? Nothing.

what the fuck about this did you not understand?

'I got 4 pretty nasty looking zits on my back, and I could barely fit into my clothes anymore. Of course, after the cycle, I didn’t keep much of the weight, but I kept a lot of the strength'

he lost shitloads of that fucking weight from the loss of massive water retention
you should do exactly what the fuck you're telling everyone else to do and pay closer attention to what's going on

the fucking harm is that most of the noobs that dive head first into oral cycles are fucking UNDERAGE to begin with.how many motherfucking times do I have to say that?

what's the harm in a teenager doing steroids?a completely fucked up system, stunted growth and sealed growth plates.it also perpetuates individuals not learning proper post cycle therapy,learning about serms and aromatase inhibitor's,proper steriod cycles and the whole fucking concept.

 

[cipherking]

what the fuck about this did you not understand?

'I got 4 pretty nasty looking zits on my back, and I could barely fit into my clothes anymore. Of course, after the cycle, I didn’t keep much of the weight, but I kept a lot of the strength'

he lost shitloads of that fucking weight from the loss of massive water retention
you should do exactly what the fuck you're telling everyone else to do and pay closer attention to what's going on

the fucking harm is that most of the noobs that dive head first into oral cycles are fucking UNDERAGE to begin with.how many motherfucking times do I have to say that?

what's the harm in a teenager doing steroids?a completely fucked up system, stunted growth and sealed growth plates.it also perpetuates individuals not learning proper post cycle therapy,learning about serms and aromatase inhibitor's,proper steriod cycles and the whole fucking concept.

i got to agree with u on this one. its not just orals but the whole steroid thing. kids are so into getting results now and are lazy as hell. They dont want to put the time into working out hard. Most kids are to stupid to relize that this stuff may have an affect on there bodies and its not something to play with.

 

[hyp1]

i got to agree with u on this one. its not just orals but the whole steroid thing. kids are so into getting results now and are lazy as hell. They dont want to put the time into working out hard. Most kids are to stupid to relize that this stuff may have an affect on there bodies and its not something to play with.

cool bro,hey I'm not here to try and bash anyone.

promoting oral only cycles and the gains (and quickly lost I might add,but is seldom stated as that truthfully)made is sending the wrong message to underage kids that want a 'quick fix' without even thinking about putting in the hard work,or the attempt of even educating themselves on the fucking damage they could do to their bodies...not to mention correct cycle procedures,etc.

that's all I've been trying to say

 

[mattdan]

You're getting way out of line here. You have completely twisted what I've said. How the fuck are you twisting this into now I'm promoting teenagers doing cycles? Wake the fuck up bro. Show me where I said that or shut the fuck up.

I was making one and only one point. Read it s l o w l y so you'll actually comprehend it here.

An oral only cycle of d.bol can yield permanent, respectable strength gains.

At no point did I ever say you'll pack on a lot of weight and keep it. NO WHERE.

Can you understand that or do I need to repeat it again?

 

[mattdan]

And coming at me with that bullshit attitude and language is just not necessary.

I've probably been doing this shit since you were in diapers.

 

[hyp1]

You're getting way out of line here. You have completely twisted what I've said. How the fuck are you twisting this into now I'm promoting teenagers doing cycles? Wake the fuck up bro. Show me where I said that or shut the fuck up.

I was making one and only one point. Read it s l o w l y so you'll actually comprehend it here.

An oral only cycle of d.bol can yield permanent, respectable strength gains.

At no point did I ever say you'll pack on a lot of weight and keep it. NO WHERE.

Can you understand that or do I need to repeat it again?

And coming at me with that bullshit attitude and language is just not necessary.

I've probably been doing this shit since you were in diapers.

by stating that oral only cycles can yield permanent respectable strength gains you're encouraging underage people to use them(whether you're consciously aware of that or would admit it it really doesn't matter,it happens to be a fact).sure they can take orals and blow the fuck up,then shrink down like a motherfucker(that's not respectable to me in anyway shape or form).what's more realistic and respectable is telling them to put in the hard work and effort and build naturally until they reach their early 20's.but people like you love to mouth about orals being a 'quick fix' which imo is entirely bullshit.

you're probably a helluva a lot younger than I am.I've been lifting since I was 18,and doing anabolics since I was in my early 20's ........I'm now at the age of 39 who do you think you're speaking to?

 

[goku_kakarot77]

produce a link on the dude that ran winstrol only with excellent results,and I will be a believer.......until then I will continue to think it's bullshit.

I'm not here to argue,run oral cycles until your liver enzymes force your skin to turn yellow along with your eyes.if it makes you happy...........LOL

and btw I don't believe in the end of the world,armageddon or any of that shit bro..........

http://www..com/forum/showthread.php?p=1724812#post1724812

 

[hyp1]

http://www..com/forum/showthread.php?p=1724812#post1724812

^^^link doesn't work

 

[cipherking]

You're getting way out of line here. You have completely twisted what I've said. How the fuck are you twisting this into now I'm promoting teenagers doing cycles? Wake the fuck up bro. Show me where I said that or shut the fuck up.

I was making one and only one point. Read it s l o w l y so you'll actually comprehend it here.

An oral only cycle of d.bol can yield permanent, respectable strength gains.

At no point did I ever say you'll pack on a lot of weight and keep it. NO WHERE.

Can you understand that or do I need to repeat it again?

relax bro, hes just tring to help a young kid out. thats what we need to do, schooling the youngstars so they dont make bad decisions. i bet if the kid wasnt 18 and trying to use dbol then he wouldnt have a problem with what u are saying. some kid justs need to be told dont do it and not get the idea that it will help him you know. we are all here to inform each other and steer the kids into the right choices. be easy fellas

 

[GetBig08]

Guys..im the one that posted the thread and i am plenty aware of the risk and effects of gear. I researched for a good while before i took my first cycle a couple of months ago. Most of the effects are long term and the ones that arent....i can deal with......ik you say all that shit about my growth plates and stuntin my growth and liver failure but thats all long term effects....i wanted to take one cycle of d-bol just to put on some weight....i was just asking if it would be enough and if i would loose it all.....but yall blew it completely outta proportion.....after reading all your posts ive decided ima just take a cycle of test.....im not all into stacking and puting on all that weight.....and hyp1 im not lookin for an easy way out.....i bust my ass every fuckin day in the gym i just cant gain any weight....im 140 pds and i bench 250.....so dnt fuvkin tell me im lookin for an easy way out....im just sick of spending day after day bustin my ass and not gaining mass like i want...

 

[perryscoon]

There really needs to be a sticky thread telling scared noobs that oral only cycles suck.

If you're too scared to inject then you have no business taking gear in the first place.

 

[2YoUnG2JuiCe]

lol man looks like i got here to late to warn you about the vets.

most people aren't gonna advize at oral only cycle

gl bro

 

[mickeyb69]

be patient bro. just work hard and eat a lot. It will come. you might lift hard and eat heavy with little weight gain for years due to your metabolism, and all of a sudden in one 6-month period you suddenly pack on 30 lbs of mass. It happened to a friend of mine years ago.

 

[mavssolaj]

if hes 18 hes generally done growing, i dont understand why everyone says to wait till your in your 20's to do gear, some ppl use for sport performance, and if you waited till your 20's its all over by then, your done HS and college. Its not all about the looks for everyone using or wanting to use gear. If done properly why couldnt a dbol only cycle be done, theres obviously alot of ppl that have done it. Soo many of you are agianst oral only, but why would the drug be researched, tested, manufactured, if it did shit, and even be harmful, even when properly used. If you dont agree with an 18 yr old wanting to persue a sport, or even if its not about that, then try and point him in the right direction, and if still he wants to use, try and show the proper dosages, and pct. Better to give him some sound advice, even if you dont agree, than to say piss off, your on your own till your older. Becasue you know NOBODY, no matter age, will listen to that and respond well.

 

[GetBig08]

"There really needs to be a sticky thread telling scared noobs that oral only cycles suck.

If you're too scared to inject then you have no business taking gear in the first place."



Im not too scared to inject ive taken a cycle of test a couple months ago i was just seein if it was better....im gonna take a cycle of test with the 50mg d-bol .

 

[perryscoon]

"There really needs to be a sticky thread telling scared noobs that oral only cycles suck.

If you're too scared to inject then you have no business taking gear in the first place."



Im not too scared to inject ive taken a cycle of test a couple months ago i was just seein if it was better....im gonna take a cycle of test with the 50mg Dianabol - methandrostenolone - .

Good. You will be much happier with the results.

 

[cipherking]

if hes 18 hes generally done growing, i dont understand why everyone says to wait till your in your 20's to do gear, some ppl use for sport performance, and if you waited till your 20's its all over by then, your done HS and college. Its not all about the looks for everyone using or wanting to use gear. If done properly why couldnt a Dianabol - methandrostenolone - only cycle be done, theres obviously alot of ppl that have done it. Soo many of you are agianst oral only, but why would the drug be researched, tested, manufactured, if it did shit, and even be harmful, even when properly used. If you dont agree with an 18 yr old wanting to persue a sport, or even if its not about that, then try and point him in the right direction, and if still he wants to use, try and show the proper dosages, and PCT - post cycle therapy - . Better to give him some sound advice, even if you dont agree, than to say piss off, your on your own till your older. Becasue you know NOBODY, no matter age, will listen to that and respond well.

the dude didnt say anything about sports. and if he played sports dbol would be one of the worst things to take. People say dont take them till u are into your 20's not just because of growth plates but muscle maturity too. get all u can out of your natural potential then use aas to blast through your plateu. with most people they dont start lifting intill there 16-18 so they cant possible be at their potential.

 

[GetBig08]

ive been lifting since i was 13 but your right i dnt know alot about aas....so im just straight out askin.....what would be the best way to pack 15-20 pounds (not all at once) over the course of a whole cycle.....and then keep it..?.....if you wanna help me, then help.....but if u disagree with me takin it b/c of my age then dont post anything else....

 

[perryscoon]

ive been lifting since i was 13 but your right i dnt know alot about anabolic androgenic steroids....so im just straight out askin.....what would be the best way to pack 15-20 pounds (not all at once) over the course of a whole cycle.....and then keep it..?.....if you wanna help me, then help.....but if u disagree with me takin it b/c of my age then dont post anything else....

You just wanna get big or you wanna look good with your shirt off?

If all you wanna do is get bigger take a-bombs/dbol/deca/sust

If you wanna impress the ladies take a combo of the following:

tren/anavar/t-bol/test/winny/masteron

 

[GetBig08]

im already cut up to hell and back i just wanna put mass....but is it really necessary to stack so much....i am on limited money supply would the test alone not be enough to give me what i want?....if not i could prolly stack two at the most

 

[perryscoon]

im already cut up to hell and back i just wanna put mass....but is it really necessary to stack so much....i am on limited money supply would the test alone not be enough to give me what i want?....if not i could prolly stack two at the most

I'm sayin those are known mass builders. You don't have to stack all that.

dbol/test or dbol/deca or anadrol-50/test would all be fine. Some people even do test only cycles. I've never tried this though.

 

[GetBig08]

iight.....ill just do the test only cycle then......how often should i shoot it.?...how long should the cycle last?....and how can i keep from loosin it when the cycle is over?

 

[perryscoon]

iight.....ill just do the test only cycle then......how often should i shoot it.?...how long should the cycle last?....and how can i keep from loosin it when the cycle is over?

I'll let somebody else answer this. I neva done test only before.

 

[Cal_21]

iight.....ill just do the test only cycle then......how often should i shoot it.?...how long should the cycle last?....and how can i keep from loosin it when the cycle is over?

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[cipherking]

test E at 500mg ew for 10 weeks with clomid for pct. get some aifm to use during that time to keep water down. thats all u need bro trust me..... and chill out we are here to help. i started lifting at 13 also but i played football my whole life. never touched aas till i was 22 and im 28 now. when u get a little older u will understand where we are coming from.

 

[GetBig08]

alright guys i really appreciate all your info......u really helped me out..

 

[mavssolaj]

cipherking, i was talking in general when ppl come on the board like this, i know he didnt mention sports. glad ppl are given some advice rather than bickering now atleast.

 

[hyp1]

iight.....ill just do the test only cycle then......how often should i shoot it.?...how long should the cycle last?....and how can i keep from loosin it when the cycle is over?

you're about one stupid motherfucker!you shouldn't do testosterone,dianabol or any other fucking steroid for that matter.if you're only 18 years of age ,140 pounds and bench 250 that clearly shows me that you're not training hard enough and eating right in the first fucking place.

when I told you about sealed growth plates and stunted growth you automatically said that was long term effects,thinking that if you do a 'short cycle' that it won't effect you.PULL YOUR FUCKING HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS.
a steroid cycle of any kind can and will have long term effects that you can't reverse once you've done it.

now you guys are recommending steroids for him to do?WHAT IN THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?tell ya what you little fucker if you want to bulk up and poison the shit out of yourself just do a cycle of anadrol for 20 weeks you worthless fuck.

 

[hyp1]

cipherking, i was talking in general when ppl come on the board like this, i know he didnt mention sports. glad ppl are given some advice rather than bickering now atleast.

giving advice to an 18 year old on how to do steroids and fuck up his body permanently isn't respectable in anyway shape or form in my opinion.this board wasn't created as an outlet for underage kids to get information on how to juice....and if any of you believe that it was you need to have a reality check.

 

[hyp1]

if hes 18 hes generally done growing, i dont understand why everyone says to wait till your in your 20's to do gear, some ppl use for sport performance, and if you waited till your 20's its all over by then, your done HS and college. Its not all about the looks for everyone using or wanting to use gear. If done properly why couldnt a Dianabol - methandrostenolone - only cycle be done, theres obviously alot of ppl that have done it. Soo many of you are agianst oral only, but why would the drug be researched, tested, manufactured, if it did shit, and even be harmful, even when properly used. If you dont agree with an 18 yr old wanting to persue a sport, or even if its not about that, then try and point him in the right direction, and if still he wants to use, try and show the proper dosages, and PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - . Better to give him some sound advice, even if you dont agree, than to say piss off, your on your own till your older. Becasue you know NOBODY, no matter age, will listen to that and respond well.

you obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about as far as people not growing after the age of 18...and that a dianabol only cycle would be 'safe' for anyone that age.by the fucking way,if you would have read the whole goddamned thread you would have saw where I gave him sound advice for getting bigger,yet he still ignored it.I'm not here to cater to underage mothefuckers that shouldn't even thinking about doing gear in the first place.they have no business on these boards at all

So what age should I wait until? And why?
In my opinion I would say about 21. When you are a teenager, boys will have a naturally high testosterone level anyway, which is why we see growth spurts at that age in males. At that age the body is not fully matured. Bones, muscle tissue, internal organs etc are all still undergoing their natural maturity. Taking exogenous anabolic steroids and other hormones to young can play absolute havoc in the body during this delicate time of development.

The main problem is that they can cause premature sealing of the epiphyseal bone closure process which consequently means you will not grow as big as your genetics could allow you. You can actually get a test done to see whether your growth plates have sealed yet. Usually it is safe to say around 21.

At puberty, antigonadotropic effects of steroids are much more potent. People know that adult hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - (hormone axis) recovers but no one knows what happens with teenagers. What if you have permanently lower testosterone levels for life as a result of taking exogenous sources at 15 when your hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - is not in full swing yet? Obviously you don’t have as much testosterone at 15 as you will naturally have at 21.

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[GetBig08]

you're about one stupid motherfucker!you shouldn't do testosterone,dianabol or any other fucking steroid for that matter.if you're only 18 years of age ,140 pounds and bench 250 that clearly shows me that you're not training hard enough and eating right in the first fucking place.

when I told you about sealed growth plates and stunted growth you automatically said that was long term effects,thinking that if you do a 'short cycle' that it won't effect you.PULL YOUR FUCKING HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS.
a steroid cycle of any kind can and will have long term effects that you can't reverse once you've done it.

now you guys are recommending steroids for him to do?WHAT IN THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?tell ya what you little fucker if you want to bulk up and poison the shit out of yourself just do a cycle of anadrol for 20 weeks you worthless fuck.

You have your own fuckin opinion but how in the fuck are you gonna tell me that i dnt train hard enough i dont fuvkin know anybody that size that benches what i do so please tell me what i should be benchin at 140 pounds that you would consider training.....not that i give a flying FUCK about your opinion......just wonderin?..

 

[mavssolaj]

buddy not everyone is the same, your growth plates seal at different times, and noone sais its ok for this kid to do anything, but if hes hard headed as most 18 yr olds mine as well keep him safe, rather than have him on his own with a bottle full of dbol. just as you said "YOUR OPINION" doesnt mean your correct and need to go crazy on ppl. I know for a fact my growth plates have been sealed since about 17 yrs old. Granted he is small and probly should wait, but your making generalizations, and going crazy acting as if you are the god or aas, knows all sees all. instead of being combative, and vulger, just say eat more till your weight is up and you grow alittle more, everyone is differnt and it seems your not done growing. Instead you go off swearing and go balistic, thast whats wrong with this board, not the kids, its the adults that act like them. Everyone needs to start somewhere, and its not the same for everyone.

 

[GarrisX]

seriously man, wait until at least 21...actually 24-25 would be best.

just eat out your ass, train hard, and sleep tons.

thats all you need at that age

 

[otsjacked]

hahahaha you little oral cycling sexy motherfucker

 

[hyp1]

You have your own fuckin opinion but how in the fuck are you gonna tell me that i dnt train hard enough i dont fuvkin know anybody that size that benches what i do so please tell me what i should be benchin at 140 pounds that you would consider training.....not that i give a flying FUCK about your opinion......just wonderin?..

I would lay money on it that you don't even come close to benching that amount of weight,you can't be training hard or eating enough or you would weigh a helluva a lot more than you do.you're just a young punk looking for what you think will be a 'quick fix' by popping a few pills you think you can bypass years of hard work.hate to burst your bubble but that's not even fucking realistic at all.

as I've said many times...increase your protein and caloric intake
train heavy but with clean form,get plenty of rest.....and repeat for at least 3 more years so you will have a decent foundation to build upon.right now as it stands you're trying to build a castle on quicksand.....and that shit is comical at best.

 

[hyp1]

buddy not everyone is the same, your growth plates seal at different times, and noone sais its ok for this kid to do anything

I know for a fact my growth plates have been sealed since about 17 yrs old. instead of being combative, and vulger, just say eat more till your weight is up and you grow alittle more, everyone is differnt and it seems your not done growing. Instead you go off swearing and go balistic, thast whats wrong with this board, not the kids, its the adults that act like them. Everyone needs to start somewhere, and its not the same for everyone.

how quickly you forget what you've posted

If done properly why couldnt a Dianabol - methandrostenolone - only cycle be done, theres obviously alot of ppl that have done it.

If you dont agree with an 18 yr old wanting to persue a sport, or even if its not about that, then try and point him in the right direction

there are shitloads of people that have done massive doses of anadrol and lived to tell about it,but that doesn't make it right.

I'll refer you to what I posted in my earlier post and what I've said all along for him to try it naturally with hard work and commitment,instead.......again if anyone you're the one making generalizations.read the thread and actually absorb what's been said,bro.

growth plates don't close until around the age of 20,I don't know where you're getting your information from but you need to seriously check it's validity or lack thereof.

what's seriously wrong with this board is adults giving teenagers advice on how to use steroids like you're obviously doing,in case you haven't noticed.

 

[hyp1]

the dude didnt say anything about sports. and if he played sports Dianabol - methandrostenolone - would be one of the worst things to take. People say dont take them till u are into your 20's not just because of growth plates but muscle maturity too. get all u can out of your natural potential then use anabolic androgenic steroids to blast through your plateu. with most people they dont start lifting intill there 16-18 so they cant possible be at their potential.

this is a great post........and I couldn't agree more

 

[cipherking]

i also dont think at 18 u are mentally prepared to handle any kinda aas. its like getting your first peace of pussy. u want more and more and u want to try others to see if it the same. its a hard temptation but i think u should just be easy and fall back on idea. im telling u bro if u wait a couple more years u will thank your self and US. just think about it.

 

[hyp1]

i also dont think at 18 u are mentally prepared to handle any kinda anabolic androgenic steroids. its like getting your first peace of pussy. u want more and more and u want to try others to see if it the same. its a hard temptation but i think u should just be easy and fall back on idea. im telling u bro if u wait a couple more years u will thank your self and US. just think about it.

-precisely

 

[mavssolaj]

you ppl are hopelessly searching for conflict, its funny, really. But whatever i would trust my doctor and numerous orthos that had seen xray upon xray, of my bones and growth plates. But hey twist all the words you want, i never condoned this kid doing dbol, i simply stated ppl have done it, successfully. I also stated that everyone is differnt and you cant be soo vague and say wait till your 20's. some bodies mature much quicker, look at Greg Oden the KID is 19 and is 7 foot and looks old as fuck. His body is matured, thats what sepraets him, and makes him great. Im sure he still has potential, but aas arnt all about looks, and powerlifting (blasting through platues in lifting), they are also performance enhancers, not physic enhancers, or lifting enhancers, PERFORMANCE. Dont confuse your own use of aas with those of others, we all have our reasons, and this board is predominantly filled with those searching for better looks, and some powerlifters, not very many athletes, so you must expect and aknowledge that some stats, info, etc. is bias. Its like discussing cars, everyine has their favorites, companies, types etc. and find it hard to look through the eyes of others.

 

[mavssolaj]

put yourslef in the impatient shoes of an 18 year old, you dont want to be told your a pussy and stop loking for ways out of hard work. To use cipher kings analogy, did you listen to your parents when they said wait till marriage, or your too young, NO (well i hope not) you fukd whenever you got the oppertunity to, i doubt you said, im not ready, it will only last a minute and it wont be good as it can be, so i will wait till my 20's or my wedding night. Whether your elders thought you were ready of not for it, you were horny as fuk and always wanted the ass. So you can have it, and you think someone saying you shithead, little punk your not ready for it and cant do it, go jerk off, till your 21, is going to work and get through/help someone.

 

[hyp1]

instead of being combative, and vulger, just say eat more till your weight is up and you grow alittle more, everyone is differnt and it seems your not done growing. Instead you go off swearing and go balistic, thast whats wrong with this board, not the kids, its the adults that act like them. Everyone needs to start somewhere, and its not the same for everyone.

whats wrong with this board is adults actually trying to give teenagers advice on how to do steroids.if you think I was wrong in telling him to train harder,increase his protein and caloric intake,rest and repeat for a few years until he puts on size(before even thinking about doing steroids)....then you are seriously lost.truth be told in case you are uniformed that's precisely how an individual should live their lives to put on size and develop muscle maturity and build a solid base to build on.not a single person is 'different' concerning this matter.by you even implying that anyone is you're encouraging him to pick up and use juice,and not put in the hard work and effort required.

So you can have it, and you think someone saying you shithead, little punk your not ready for it and cant do it, go jerk off, till your 21, is going to work and get through/help someone.

I did call him a young punk trying to look for a 'quick fix' because that's precisely what he's doing.I've talked to him quite a few times in pms nicely and he didn't want to listen to a word I said.I've told him all I can and he's going to do what he's going to do,but people giving him actual cycles to do is fucking insane,and irresponsible imo

 

[mavssolaj]

well if you did speak with him and gave him valid advice, like an adult,and he still made posts/remarks such as he did then thats another story. Thats all on him, but imo i just dont thinks its true to catagorise all people and say you cant use till your 20's. Agreed suggesting tren, dbol, test, androl such as someone did is insane.

 

[hyp1]

when a teenager is told something over and over for the benefit of his own good and doesn't listen,it's not worth my time.then when people start recommending cycles it pisses me off,to be honest.

I would say that everyone should wait until their 20's,developing their bodies through correct training and diet before even contemplating using gear.when people younger than that do it we honestly don't know what kind of effect it will have on their hpta (hormone axis) and if it can fully recover as most adults do with proper post cycle therapy.what's even worse is that most of these teenagers aren't concerned with any kind of post cycle therapy,they're just concerned with 'getting big' as quickly as they can and don't give a shit about the long term effects it can have on their bodies.

 

[mavssolaj]

i agree that most dont understand or want to bother with pct, i see where your comming from, but as with all aas and all people using them there are risks involved, some higher some lower, its just up to that person to see if they want to take them. But i got you, this kid at 140 lbs is actually rediculously skinny, and i can see why he wants to use 9dbol of all things also), but its def not right for him.

 

[sshadoww]

ive been lifting since i was 13 but your right i dnt know alot about anabolic androgenic steroids....so im just straight out askin.....what would be the best way to pack 15-20 pounds (not all at once) over the course of a whole cycle.....and then keep it..?.....if you wanna help me, then help.....but if u disagree with me takin it b/c of my age then dont post anything else....

Clean proper diet- especially at your weight and age...just my 2

 

[hyp1]

i agree that most dont understand or want to bother with PCT - post cycle therapy - , i see where your comming from, but as with all anabolic androgenic steroids and all people using them there are risks involved, some higher some lower, its just up to that person to see if they want to take them. But i got you, this kid at 140 lbs is actually rediculously skinny, and i can see why he wants to use 9dbol of all things also), but its def not right for him.

cool bro,I didn't mean to come off as an asshole.

personally I don't think the kid can make a wise decision given his mindset and immaturity.