Is it true clomid can damage your eyesight???

[rush]

I know of some reporting visuals, but I was reading that it
can actually "damage" your eyesight... ??? Pls tell me this
is bullshit!!!

 

[Juicifer]

i think i've read that too but i have never had any problems and have NEVER heard of anyone complaining about it...i do know that while i'm on it i get very annoying trails and fuzzy vision especially right when i wake up

 

[OXANDRIN]

i don't see why it would......bump

 

[jubei]

Possible side effects from clomid include "tracers" and blurred vision, however these are only temporary.

 

[Diesel31]

it can damage your eyesight from crying too much

 

[Lift Chief]

It CAN possibly damage eyesight... though this is certainly rare...

Medical professionals recommend stopping use of clomid if you experience any visual disturbances... to be on the safe side.

It is pretty scary stuff.

Although i have taken clomid after 3 cycles now and i do get visual disturbance and my vision has been fine *thank god*... kind of scary though.

I use a combination of nolvadex and clomid to reduce the amount of clomid i have to take- and thereby keep visual disturbances to an absolute minimum.

 

[jubei]

chief, I've never heard that, do you remember where you read it?

 

[Lift Chief]

I saw a study posted by a doctor on a UK board... i don't remember any specifics of the study though.

 

[Bigbillybear]

Bro,

I think your getting that confussed with masterbation but have no fear if that where the case Id been blind a long time ago.... Just kidding bro... There again as with many issues we hear something because of a study or what it looks like it could do on paper and it turns out not to be the case in RL usage... I wouldnt worry because some people use clomid as much as they masterbate and im sure we would have heard this from the real scientist by now "The Users" hehe... Clomid would be the least thing I would worry about when it comes to some things we take to get that awsome body!!

Take care bros and be safe

BBB

 

[Lift Chief]

Bro,

I think your getting that confussed with masterbation but have no fear if that where the case Id been blind a long time ago.... Just kidding bro... There again as with many issues we hear something because of a study or what it looks like it could do on paper and it turns out not to be the case in RL usage... I wouldnt worry because some people use clomid as much as they masterbate and im sure we would have heard this from the real scientist by now "The Users" hehe... Clomid would be the least thing I would worry about when it comes to some things we take to get that awsome body!!

Take care bros and be safe

BBB

It's just about the visual disturbances continuing after stopping clomid... apparently it can happen.

 

[Bigbillybear]

Bro,

My post didnt say it couldnt lol... Have you ever used Clomid? anyway I have used it enough and have NEVER had these effects... Am I saying it dont happen, Nope just that I wouldnt worry about it...

BBB

 

[Citruscide]

Never had any eyesight problems with clomid... never had any eye problems from DNP... now that heroin... whoooo!!

C-ditty

 

[Lift Chief]

Bro,

My post didnt say it couldnt lol... Have you ever used Clomid? anyway I have used it enough and have NEVER had these effects... Am I saying it dont happen, Nope just that I wouldnt worry about it...

BBB

1) yes ive used clomid- and i, like a significant amount of others, get these disturbances

2) yes it may be something to worry about as there is the potential for visual disturbances to continue after stopping therapy.

3) did you read my post?... "lol"

 

[Bigbillybear]

Bro,

LOL down boy... Again I have to say I dont get that as many users as you say have these problems? I would think it would be few and far between and even then one might consider it was from something else? Concerned no, I wouldnt be... Clomid has been used by so many at this point I honestly dont believe it has an effect that we all should worry about ANY more then what we should be thinking about when we are using gear in general... Sounds like you are working for the FDA because thats exactly why we cant get any meds for some folks that really need them just because they say one out of a million might have this problem... Im not saying anything to disrepect ya bro, you are right, you may be one of the ones having problems but do you not realize that one may get dizzy just by standing up to quickly as well? Does this mean you should be worried about standing up quickly? So no offense bro, good post on your part, but I believe mine is too?

take care bro

BBB

 

[DEEZEL]

Yo Chief and Billy, how do u guys recommend doing Clomid after a 10 week sus cycle? What I've been told do so is day 1 300mg, day 2, 200mg, day 3-14 100mg, day 15-21 50mg.

Sound good or could I lower my intake a little? I only want to take as much as I need. Oh, and I have 10,000 of HCG for the first 2 weeks post cycle.

 

[hipsacjack]

These problems are real!!

I am seeing shadows (tracers) right now as I'm typing this. It really only comes at night. (especialy in the dark looking at a computer screen) It is the second time I've used clomid and both times I've experienced these visual problems. It is kinda scary cause it seems like its fuckin with your nerveous system or somthing. Ether way I've been on clomid for about ten days only but I think I'm going to stop now.

 

[AustinTX]

Re: These problems are real!!

I am seeing shadows (tracers) right now as I'm typing this. It really only comes at night. (especialy in the dark looking at a computer screen) It is the second time I've used clomid and both times I've experienced these visual problems. It is kinda scary cause it seems like its fuckin with your nerveous system or somthing. Ether way I've been on clomid for about ten days only but I think I'm going to stop now.

switch to Nolva for post cycle.

that is what one+ of the HRT docs is recommending for his patients now, because of the potential for eye damage (and I'm sure because Nolva helps the lipid profile and Clomid hurts it...)

 

[rush]

So Austin one should take Nolva only...

 

[rrwwdd]

Don't know if it was attributed to AAS or clomid.
And its rare but you can get whats callled "central serous retinopothy". Its when blood vessels behind the retina begin to leak causing a small pocket of fluid build that presses against the retina and cause a blurred spot in the center of your vision. It can not be corrected with glasses or contacts and usually subsides after about 4 months.

If anyone has this problem pm me and I can give you additional information as to the diagnoses and test run, or at least what I had done.

 

[Dark_Stalker]

Damn scary thing ! What would be the best post cycle therapy after a deca-test cycle ?

Nolvadex only ??

 

[Racer-X99]

Nolvadex only ??

No. It is listed in the prescription information that both novla and clomid can cause irreversible eye damage. Although it seems to be very rare there must be some truth to it. The drug companies want their drug labels as clean as possible.

 

[satchboogie]

day 1: 100mg
day 2: 100mg
day 3-28: 50mg

thats my formula for a mild to moderate cycle. (500mg test a week).

 

[Lift Chief]

day 1: 100mg
day 2: 100mg
day 3-28: 50mg

thats my formula for a mild to moderate cycle. (500mg test a week).

I tend to run clomid at 50mg ED for 3 weeks right before i go to sleep so i don't have to deal with the headache/visual disturbances.

Along with this i run 40mg of nolva ED for the first week- and 20mg for the last 2 weeks.

That way i can keep the amount of clomid i've used to a minimum.

 

[Lift Chief]

Bro,

LOL down boy... Again I have to say I dont get that as many users as you say have these problems? I would think it would be few and far between and even then one might consider it was from something else? Concerned no, I wouldnt be... Clomid has been used by so many at this point I honestly dont believe it has an effect that we all should worry about ANY more then what we should be thinking about when we are using gear in general... Sounds like you are working for the FDA because thats exactly why we cant get any meds for some folks that really need them just because they say one out of a million might have this problem... Im not saying anything to disrepect ya bro, you are right, you may be one of the ones having problems but do you not realize that one may get dizzy just by standing up to quickly as well? Does this mean you should be worried about standing up quickly? So no offense bro, good post on your part, but I believe mine is too?

take care bro

BBB

I'm not sure you're understand bro- I'm not saying this side happens to every clomid user. I've been around boards like this for awhile now and i have seen at least 30 different people complain about these side effects. Do a search and you'll find it too. So of course it doesnt happen to everyone, but to say the disturbances are from something else is simply naive.

Almost every time these sides will stop after stopping clomid, but there is a slight chance they won't- as doctors have said... so if you dont get these sides then you have nothing to worry about- and if you do, be careful. That's it--

 

[jubei]

Hcg and nolvadex would be my choice. It is widely known that clomid causes "visual disturbances" in a large amount of users.

 

[Quadsweep]

it can damage your eyesight from crying too much

HAHAHAHA! No shit!

Quad

 

[Max10]

Don't know if it was attributed to AAS or clomid.
And its rare but you can get whats called "central serous retinopothy". Its when blood vessels behind the retina begin to leak causing a small pocket of fluid build that presses against the retina and cause a blurred spot in the center of your vision. It can not be corrected with glasses or contacts and usually subsides after about 4 months.

Just got back from the retina specialist, been having that problem for 3 yrs. Small vessels behind my retina leaked causing a spot in my line of vision. The first time it happened it cleared up in around 5 months, drove me crazy. It went away completely.

The second time it happened when the fluid cleared it left a scar on my retina, nothing could be done, to risky to have laser surgery, have to live with it. The retina specialist said heavy lifting and stress was the factor. Alot of bodybuilders get it from holding there breath on a lift and pressure builds up behind the eyes. Once it happens you are acceptable to it. I never took clomid or any other type of steroid yet but still have problems with my eyes.

Trust me , you don't want to mess with your eyes, the doc told me most of the time the fluid will clear up with no scaring, but this time it didn't. You could lose alot of your eyesight from this permanently.

 

[JibbyJabba]

I experienced extreme visual disturbances last time I used clomid.

I had never had this porblem before, having used Clomid at least 4 times before - however this particular time was the only time I went over 50mgs a day.

This was almost a year ago, and now, every time I go from a dark room to a lighted one, I deal with very bad tracers for a few minutes. I feel absolutely certain that Clomid was to blame for this.

Fuck Clomid... for someone like me, who does light, mainly non-suppressive cycles, it is simply not worth it.

 

[Bigbillybear]

Bros,

I can tell you right now BP effects your eyes more then freaking clomid!! I have used Clomid for years and this is not a problem for me, My wife knows more about prescription drugs then anyone I know do to the fact she has worked around them for over 10 years... When they list a potential side effect on the bottle or box it can be a very very long shot that it may happen, if it happens to a hand full of people in a million plus users they will say it has the potential to do this or that... You say 30 people cheif you have read about saying they have had this problem, well to be honest if they are roid users I guarantee you that most of them have it due to BP or some other problem then the clomid... Like I said at the start and you want to continue it over and over again... Im not saying it will not EVER effect your eyesight I just say it would have to be rare or the tons of users that use the stuff would all be saying the same thing... Would I worry about Clomid, NO, Why? Because if you want to worry about anything worry about the Growth hormone, or the Test you just injected, or the Anadrol you just ate, those have more potential to cause a problem then clomid bro... MAX10 is right on!! listen to the bro!!

BBB

 

[Choker_22]

heh, its kinda funny reading about this issue right now... i mean, people have been´taking clomid for a don't know how many years, and this is the first time its been brought up.. it seems.
i personally have only used it two times.. 100mg a day for the-three weeks..
i did get the visual disturbance problem, but it wasn't really something i got bothered about...
day one after i discontuined the use if it, the problem stoped so...

 

[Lift Chief]

Bros,

I can tell you right now BP effects your eyes more then freaking clomid!! I have used Clomid for years and this is not a problem for me, My wife knows more about prescription drugs then anyone I know do to the fact she has worked around them for over 10 years... When they list a potential side effect on the bottle or box it can be a very very long shot that it may happen, if it happens to a hand full of people in a million plus users they will say it has the potential to do this or that... You say 30 people cheif you have read about saying they have had this problem, well to be honest if they are roid users I guarantee you that most of them have it due to BP or some other problem then the clomid... Like I said at the start and you want to continue it over and over again... Im not saying it will not EVER effect your eyesight I just say it would have to be rare or the tons of users that use the stuff would all be saying the same thing... Would I worry about Clomid, NO, Why? Because if you want to worry about anything worry about the Growth hormone, or the Test you just injected, or the Anadrol you just ate, those have more potential to cause a problem then clomid bro... MAX10 is right on!! listen to the bro!!

BBB

OK- CLOMID CAUSES VISUAL DISTURBANCES IN SOME USERS... THIS IS A KNOWN SIDE-EFFECT AND A FACT... PERIOD.

You've used it for years and you don't get the sides, ok. Now to parlay that fact into saying that these side effects are amazingly rare is a false conclusion.

It's common enough to where a few people on this thread have reported the disturbances... There is nothing more to argue about here.

 

[Bigbillybear]

Chief,

LOL its rare bro... I talked to about a dozen doctors that my wife knows and most of them knew about what you were talking about and they said it was in rare cases lol... go figure you know more then the docs

BBB

 

[Lift Chief]

It CAN possibly damage eyesight... though this is certainly rare ...

Billy,
My first post on the subject... ever bother to read before you try and contradict?

But then again i feel like i know "more than the docs"... oh and LOL.

 

[Bigbillybear]

Cheif,

Contradict myself? Nope... look at your post just above my last and you will see that YOU are the one that contradicts himself or is that your other personality?

You said:

OK- CLOMID CAUSES VISUAL DISTURBANCES IN SOME USERS... THIS IS A KNOWN SIDE-EFFECT AND A FACT... PERIOD.

You've used it for years and you don't get the sides, ok. Now to parlay that fact into saying that these side effects are amazingly rare is a false conclusion.

It's common enough to where a few people on this thread have reported the disturbances... There is nothing more to argue about here.

Hummmmm... Make up your mind.... LOL

BBB

 

[JibbyJabba]

Chief,

LOL its rare bro... I talked to about a dozen doctors that my wife knows and most of them knew about what you were talking about and they said it was in rare cases lol... go figure you know more then the docs

BBB

Are you considering that the typical dose for a women using the drug for fertility purposes is to take 50mgs a day for 5 days, whereas someone using it for post-cycle therapy is often take it for 3 weeks plus and at much higher doses?

I never had problems with visual disturnances until I went over 50mgs and only after I had used it for about 10 days.

Given that the doctors you are referring to likely have only had experience with women who use the drug in small amounts over shorter periods of time, I fail to see how their opinion on the matter is of any real consequnce to juicers. While visual disturbances might be rare at a dose of 50mgs a day for five days, could it not be the case that the degree to which one gets these visual side effects is largely dose dependent, therefore visual disturbances might occur much more often in those taking a higher amount?

I think most juicers who use clomid for post-cycle, HPTA restoration do not experience visual disturbances, though I do think that enough people have had this problem to where it should not be considered a rare occurence.

 

[Bigbillybear]

Bro,

Good opinion but 2 of the docs I refered to where docs that use to prescribe gear to me in the 80s so they know the usage... But anyway It doesnt matter if its rare or not, if it occurs and you dont like it, Dont use it!! I have gotten blurred vision etc from BP issues but never from Clomid nor have I heard anyone ever having this problem until you FEW have said... Its hard for me to believe that you can point the finger at Clomid if your ass was full of Test, etc? I mean if you want to know if its the Clomid that would mean that your system was clean of everything and all you were taking was the clomid!! and that didnt happen... So yeah the lard ass that was trying to sue McDonalds because he was fat is doing what you are doing, blaming one thing but not considering that maybe it was all the other shit you where doing?

Go figure

BBB

 

[Lift Chief]

Cheif,

Contradict myself? Nope... look at your post just above my last and you will see that YOU are the one that contradicts himself or is that your other personality?

You said:

OK- CLOMID CAUSES VISUAL DISTURBANCES IN some USERS... THIS IS A KNOWN SIDE-EFFECT AND A FACT... PERIOD.

Where is the contradiction... do you understand that SOME implies that it does not happen all the time?

 

[Lift Chief]

Bro,

Good opinion but 2 of the docs I refered to where docs that use to prescribe gear to me in the 80s so they know the usage... But anyway It doesnt matter if its rare or not, if it occurs and you dont like it, Dont use it!! I have gotten blurred vision etc from BP issues but never from Clomid nor have I heard anyone ever having this problem until you FEW have said... Its hard for me to believe that you can point the finger at Clomid if your ass was full of Test, etc? I mean if you want to know if its the Clomid that would mean that your system was clean of everything and all you were taking was the clomid!! and that didnt happen... So yeah the lard ass that was trying to sue McDonalds because he was fat is doing what you are doing, blaming one thing but not considering that maybe it was all the other shit you where doing?

Go figure

BBB

Wow you really are dense.

I used test alone- no visual disturbances.
I stopped taking test- began taking clomid and NOTHING ELSE- visual disturbances 30 minutes after taking the pill.
Took another pill and 30 minutes later had the same visual disturbances.
Stopped taking clomid and symptoms completely ceased.

Hmmmmm... wonder what it could be?

And regardless, it's common knowledge this is a side-effect. This is an acknowledged side effect of the drug among the medical community- it's even written among the list of potential side effects included with the drug! To try and argue this point is simply stupid. "LOL"

Sigh...

 

[jubei]

Clomid DOES cause visual disturbances in a number of users. You can take that for what it is. Now we come to the subject of doctors. Doctors are great for a cold or the flu, or even when you need some antibiotics but they don't know dick about AAS. Also it may be very rare for people to get visual irregularites from clomid when used as prescribed but as I'm sure you know (or you should) this is not the way they are taken for recovery after a cycle.

 

[Stillgoing]

I just finished up clomid. I got the visual disturbances quite bad. Night tracers mainly, but, some days my eyes just hurt and were puffy. I've been off for a couple days and its getting better, but, I'm going back to nolv from now on. Your eyesite is nothing to fuck with.

 

[kwik95gt]

visuals

i remember reading something about this on rippedcanadians awhile back. someone posted a study- women that had been prescribed clomid for sometime (years). basically it said that the blurriness, tracers, etc. had not gone away after 7 years of discontinuing use- so they labeled it permanent. but keep in mind these women took clomid for long periods of time.

 

[Bigbillybear]

Little Cheif,

Bro calling one dense after constantly contradicting oneself is quite funny... At least I can make up my mind on to what is fact and what is fiction... Go ahead and believe everything you read on the bottle will happen to you, if that were the case who would take anything? My Knowledge about bodybuilding supplements, gear, training, etc is quite extensive and I try to help as many as I can instead of trying to contradict everything everyone reads.... You my friend seem to be very negative...It has been you that keeps the topic going because I feel that you have an arrogance problem that wont let it go... Breath... feel better? If not lets do it again... Breathhhhh.... Ahhhh... See there is life after this post... hehehe

Take care bro

BBB

 

[Triple J]

if you blow a Peter North load and hit yourseself in the eye it can be damaging, goggles are a recommended safety precaution

 

[Lift Chief]

Little Cheif,

Bro calling one dense after constantly contradicting oneself is quite funny... At least I can make up my mind on to what is fact and what is fiction... Go ahead and believe everything you read on the bottle will happen to you, if that were the case who would take anything? My Knowledge about bodybuilding supplements, gear, training, etc is quite extensive and I try to help as many as I can instead of trying to contradict everything everyone reads.... You my friend seem to be very negative...It has been you that keeps the topic going because I feel that you have an arrogance problem that wont let it go... Breath... feel better? If not lets do it again... Breathhhhh.... Ahhhh... See there is life after this post... hehehe

Take care bro

BBB

I before E except after C.... it's spelled chIEf... heh.

You win- clomid doesnt cause visual disturbances in any users. It is due to something else... glad people here have someone as knowledgable as you posting your insights.

 

[Bigbillybear]

Bro,

You my friend take the cake... So I did a typo I didnt spell your name right what was it, oh yeah chef right... anyhow I never ONCE said that it didnt cause it... DAMN GO BACK AND DO WHAT YOU TOLD ME TO DO, READ!!! because I said it was rare, stupid ass...

BBB

Damn people that get under my skin are the ones that post over 2k and have nothing but negative bullshit to say...

If you just looked up the few posts I have made and realize most of what I said except the shit geared toward you is helpful... and I guarantee if you looked up your 2k posts it would be statements against or flames... You are more and more proving yourself chef...

 

[Lift Chief]

Bro,

You my friend take the cake... So I did a typo I didnt spell your name right what was it, oh yeah chef right... anyhow I never ONCE said that it didnt cause it... DAMN GO BACK AND DO WHAT YOU TOLD ME TO DO, READ!!! because I said it was rare, stupid ass...

BBB

Damn people that get under my skin are the ones that post over 2k and have nothing but negative bullshit to say...

Yes i noticed you said that- but every other post you go back and imply it doesnt happen or is due to something else. Who knows what you're trying to say...

I love people with 16 posts who are know it alls.

 

[Lift Chief]

Chef,

To be honest my 17 posts are more informative then your 2k...

BBB

This conversation is over.

 

[Bigbillybear]

Chef,

To be honest my 17 posts are more informative then your 2k...

BBB

Thank the God above you finally said something that is good to hear...

 

[hhajdo]

Fertil Steril 1994 Feb;61(2):390-1 Related Articles, Links


Optic neuropathy associated with clomiphene citrate therapy.

Lawton AW.

Department of Ophthalmology, Louisiana State University School of Medicine, New Orleans.

A 31-year-old woman developed acute visual loss in her right eye immediately after a 5-day course of CC for primary infertility. Although she gradually recovered vision, she did not return to 20/20 acuity in that eye. As CC may cause vascular sludging, it is hypothesized that increased blood viscosity resulted in sufficiently reduced flow in a posterior ciliary artery to produce an anterior ischemic optic neuropathy. Patients experiencing visual symptoms while taking clomiphene should have their eyes examined promptly for evidence of visual changes or optic nerve injury.



Visual disturbance secondary to clomiphene citrate.

Purvin VA.

Midwest Eye Institute, Methodist Hospital of Indiana, Indianapolis, USA.

OBJECTIVE: To identify a distinctive constellation of persistent visual abnormalities secondary to treatment with clomiphene citrate. DESIGN: Description of the clinical findings in three patients with visual disturbance secondary to clomiphene treatment. SETTING: A neuro-ophthalmology referral center. PATIENTS: Three women aged 32 to 36 years treated for infertility with clomiphene for 4 to 15 months. RESULTS: All three patients experienced prolonged afterimages (palinopsia), shimmering of the peripheral field, and photophobia while undergoing treatment with clomiphene. The results of the neuro-ophthalmologic examination and electrophysiologic studies were normal in all three patients. Unlike previously reported cases, visual symptoms did not resolve on cessation of treatment. Patients remain symptomatic from 2 to 7 years after discontinuing treatment with the medication. CONCLUSIONS: Treatment with clomiphene can cause prolonged visual disturbance. Patients who develop such symptoms should be advised that continued administration may cause irreversible changes. Women with characteristic visual symptoms should be questioned about past use of clomiphene.

 

[poantrex]

BBB, you're clearly in the wrong on this one.

EVERYONE I know that has used clomid reported visual anomolies to an extent.

 

[Bigbillybear]

Thanks bro,

No one said it didnt happen but we do appreciate the reports on women again... It still doesnt state if its rare or happens to everyone.... but then again who gives a... if you use it with no problems fine if it bothers you dont lol...

BBB

 

[Bigbillybear]

Bro,

Thanks for telling me im in the wrong for saying its rare... other then that you cant say anything because I did say that it could happen lol... So I said it was rare I didnt realize that the Chef was going to send out his best little chefs to tell me Im wrong lol so macho to show that one has said one word wrong... hummm I take rare back, it happens to every human that looks at the bottle so DONT TAKE IT... And please send your stock to me so I can properly destroy it...

BBB

 

[Fonz]

Bro,

Thanks for telling me im in the wrong for saying its rare... other then that you cant say anything because I did say that it could happen lol... So I said it was rare I didnt realize that the Chef was going to send out his best little chefs to tell me Im wrong lol so macho to show that one has said one word wrong... hummm I take rare back, it happens to every human that looks at the bottle so DONT TAKE IT... And please send your stock to me so I can properly destroy it...

BBB

No offense, but its not "rare".

A LOT of people who use Clomid get visual disturbances.

Doesn't man its UBER dangerous...but it is a bonafide side effect.

Fonz

 

[Lift Chief]

No offense, but its not "rare".

A LOT of people who use Clomid get visual disturbances.

Doesn't man its UBER dangerous...but it is a bonafide side effect.

Fonz

Sorry had to chime in again.


Thank you, Fonz

Maybe now he'll be quiet.

 

[poantrex]

"LOL."

 

[MrMemphis]

I just finished up clomid. I got the visual disturbances quite bad. Night tracers mainly, but, some days my eyes just hurt and were puffy. I've been off for a couple days and its getting better, but, I'm going back to nolv from now on. Your eyesite is nothing to fuck with.

Tamoxifen (nolvadex) is a lot worse for potential eye problems than clomid. Trust me, I've seen about 20 cases of Tamoxifen induced crystaline retinal deposits.

 

[rush]

so, are there any options available that do not effect ones
eyesight, after reading all this I for one, will not even
CONTEMPLATE taking a chance with my eyes... I thought
losing ones hair was bad enough... kinda puts it into
perspective...

 

[pol]

Are you considering that the typical dose for a women using the drug for fertility purposes is to take 50mgs a day for 5 days, whereas someone using it for post-cycle therapy is often take it for 3 weeks plus and at much higher doses?

Women use it for only 5 days because it is only effective
for fertility during a certain portion of their monthly cycle.
My wife, for example, has it for 5 days starting on day 3.
Men have had it prescribed for continuous use for as long
as a year for fertility treatment (low sperm count) as well.
My count almost doubled, overall load size increased
considerably.

I do get the tracers at night. So far, my eyesight has stayed
basically 20-20.

--Pol

 

[Bigbillybear]

Chef,

Me stop? Hell you have said you are stopping what twice now... Please stop adding to your reply numbers now I know how you got 2k, and it sure wasnt from helping anyone...

lol

BBB