is it REALLY necessary to let your HPTA shut down ever???

[Wulfgar]

In regards to AAS cycling, if one were to take the proper amounts of anti-aromatase,anti-prolactin, anti-progesterone...etc etc.. during the course of any cycle with some HCG or clomid spiked in at the propertimes(depending on the type of drug use you should be able to estimate when the high activity of the drug is) my belief is there is NO reason your nuts should ever shrink up.

during my these last 12 weeks i have been in prep for the Orange county muscle classic and i ran everything from test enan to drol to tren to winny at differing times, but during this i kept running low dose A-dex, nolva, proviron, cabergoline, HCG and clomid at differing times to keep my HPTA up.
ill get my blood work done on monday but as of now i(or my girlfriend) cant notice ANY size change in my nuts and while on cycle i noticed no bloat or drop in libido, erectile dysfunction or anything.


any comments on this? do any of you try maintaining HPTA while on cycle to minimize losses post cycle??

 

[Dial_tone]

anti-aromatase,anti-prolactin, anti-progesterone have little to do with endogeous testosterone production. As long as your body an excess it's going to shutdown HPTA.

 

[genarr3]

Anytime you take hormones you're going to get HTPA suppression.
You can have HTPA suppression without testicle atrophy.

 

[Wulfgar]

anti-aromatase,anti-prolactin, anti-progesterone have little to do with endogeous testosterone production. As long as your body an excess it's going to shutdown HPTA.

well in order for your body to have a negative feedback loop to cause HPTA suppression doesnt it have to detect an increased amount of estrogenic activity? since obviously if testosterone is elevated, the body will attempt to restore balance by lowering HPTA and increasing estrogen.


also, wouldnt the timing and short cycled use of LH producing drugs(clomid, tribulus, HCG etc..) help to keep endogenous testosterone elevated even on cycle?


the main reason im curious about this is because it seems like i see all these guys let thier gains go post cycle and i think it is from the elevated cortisol and estrogen levels that go unchecked.

 

[mstigi]

I agree with Wulfgar, two doctors who I was referred to from this site, recommend taking a small amount of HCG per week while on cycle to help the crash at the end

 

[Apexx]

I agree with Wulfgar, two doctors who I was referred to from this site, recommend taking a small amount of HCG per week while on cycle to help the crash at the end

HCG doesn't restore test, it brings atrophied testes back to their normal size.

 

[genarr3]

I agree with Wulfgar, two doctors who I was referred to from this site, recommend taking a small amount of HCG per week while on cycle to help the crash at the end

What this does is retain testicle size during cycle course, it will not prevent HTPA suppression.
The idea is to close the barn door before the horses get out, not prevent suppression.