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is it possible to get real clean gains quick?

liftingfreak

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i am 20 years old about 6'1" 190lbs and ive always been really skinny and lean. i just started a new diet of eating almost 400 grams of protein a day and keeping the carbs real low and no carbs after 6PM. i was told that its pretty much impossible to get clean muscle gains in a quick amount of time.....im not looking to bulk thats why im asking......
 
liftingfreak said:
ive heard that but ive noticed that i have lost fat around my mid-section since i have been on this diet......?

How many carbs and fats are you eating along with the 400g pro?
 
400g of protein is only 2000 calories. Assuming someone has a BMR of about 3000 calories, then combined with the energy expendature of workouts you may burn another 300. That leaves 1300 calories from carbs and fats. Then of course to gain some weight you're gonna have to go over this number. He's already said he's always been lean and skinny so I doubt he's even eating enough to gain by what he's said so far.

This sounds a bit like DC's diet plan which many seem to be having great success on. Down double your weight in protein(better to get more protein than needed and waste it than to get less and possibly slow muscle gain. Pro also has high TEF so it's safer to get extra calories from it versus carbs or fat), eat it first in every meal and then fulfill the rest of your hunger with some fat and protein, preferably of the good kind. If you eat 6 meals a day thats 60-70 grams of protein per meal... If a good portion of that comes from real food then it will go a long way towards filling you up. That's about 8oz of cooked lean steak per meal, or 10oz of chicken breast, etc... If you pound down an 8oz steak then you probably won't have as much room to eat an overabundance of good carbs. Perhaps for one or two meals you may, but 6 times a day? In fact for ectomorphs that simply don't have enough hunger or require massive calories to gain weight he advices for you to not eat clean so long as you get in your protein first. He also advices downing olive oil with protein shakes for extra calories.

The answer to his question is yes you can get some good clean gains in short order if you can put down enough food/protein and stimulate your muscles enough and be consistant about all of it. If you're an ectomorph it may be slower than a mesomorph, though most likely you'll be able to stay leaner doing it. Personally I can pack on muscle pretty quickly, it's keeping fat at bay that is the challenge. As I'm an open minded guy I am going to be giving DC's methods a try very soon and hope to see good results. Based on his theories which I belive to hold water, and on the success of many others I think it's a valid method.

At any rate if he is getting leaner while doing what he's doing I'd definately say he should keep it up. Who are we to tell him it's wrong if it's working? If he gets no muscle gain after a week or so then he should simply up his calories until the scale moves.
 
last 7 wks, i've been consuming about 215 g protein/day and eating pretty clean... Also eq, but put on 6 lbs of lean muscle mass.... went from 183 lbs to 189 lbs at 6'0
 
vageta,
i have been doing DC's routine in the gym as well as his theory of high protein intake. the routine is the most intense workout i have ever experienced but i havent really put on any good pounds from it.....i have been doing it for about a month.....maybe i need to keep eating clean, up my calories, and keep my protein high......?
 
I'd say due to your build that you probably simply need to take in more calories. Also if you seem to be naturally lean I'd say that you don't have to eat so cleanly, in fact it may benefit you not to eat clean all of the time. The protein requirement itself is not enough to guarantee growth, you basically have to increase calorie intake until you see the scale start to move. It may be hard for you to get enough calories in while eating clean so as I said go for some higher calorie foods in a few meals and see what the scale says. DC recommends adding olive oil to protein shakes for ectomorphs(which you probably are).

Basic rule is if you aren't gaining weight then you aren't eating enough. Since you're getting that much protein just increase the carbs and fats but still follow the 6pm cutoff rules.
 
ya i ocassionly add some extra virgin olive oil to my protein shakes but its hard cause i read that you shouldn't mix your EFA's with your carbs (which i eat during the day), and i dont drink shakes at night cause i usually mix them with milk and i dont take it carbs at night.....so i sometimes mix the olive oil with tuna at night....
 
I don't think mixing fats and carbs is something DC is concerned about, that started with John Berardi at T-mag. I think it holds water for those of us that tend to gain fat easily, but from what I've gathered from you this isn't the case. I think at this point you need to just get the calories down whichever method you find easiest. I wouldn't even worry about fat gain until you start to see the scale start to go up consistently. Once you see some weight gain just keep an eye on your fat gain. If you see it increasing rapidly then you can tweak down your calories a little. Personally if I was in your shoes I wouldn't worry about a little fat gain anyways. Once you put on some muscle that fat will come off very easily for you with just a bit of extra cardio and cleaner eating.
 
DUMBASS!

hey liftingfreak, you are a little bitch! I think that you should go on a CKD diet and try to take in less than a 1000 cals a day with no more than 5 carbs. That will get you real big and ripped. You should lift heavily six days a week and do a twice a day split. I can't wait to see how big you will be at the end of the summer. Or you might consider suicide you fucking idiot and do the world a favor.
 
that's not very nice

gezzz jacked, how about you get the tampon out of your ass and grow some real pecs (not bitch tits) and then we can talk but untill then "suck me off."
peace


ps-cant wait to live with you next semester AGAIN :(
 
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