Is it possible that deca dick is mostly psychological??

[rush]

I know so many bros complain about the problem but what baffles me is that Deca has been around for so long and the
"deca dick" phenomenon is what no more than 5 years old???

What gives... if it was so bad wouldnt it have been know back in the 60s 70s 80s and most of the 90s... it seems strange that
it took so long for the cat to be let out of the bag... so to speak.

Lets face it hard ons can be influenced very heavily by ones own
mind... If one thinks too hard (pardon the pun) about it then it can invariably cause problems....

anyone agree>>

 

[Deleted member 33117]

rush, part of the issue is that in research, the sexual problems caused from deca were not impotence (which IS rare among steroid users of any type while on cycle), but rather delayed ejaculation, or the inability to even have an orgasim during some sexual encounters. This is common, and I have experienced it repeatedly on the one deca only cycle I've done. I think the impotence is very psychlogical for most who claim to have it. It is the same as eq anxiety. How many people actually got it before the idea became prevalent on anabolic boards? The only steroid shown to cause this sort of effect in animal testing was winstrol, which also had a high rate of causing an inability to ejaculate in animals who were given the drug.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

What gives... if it was so bad wouldnt it have been know back in the 60s 70s 80s and most of the 90s... it seems strange that
it took so long for the cat to be let out of the bag... so to speak.

what gives... free flow of information.. btw- impotence was a essentially taboo subject until the development of viagra

 

[Sigmund Roid]

Re: Re: Is it possible that deca dick is mostly psychological??

what gives... free flow of information.. btw- impotence was a essentially taboo subject until the development of viagra

I agree. Back in the days BB's didn't have the boards on which they could complain anonymously about noodle problems. And at that time and in these times it is not cool to talk about it in the locker room LOL.

 

[Spidey]

Deca dick is most likely caused by it's binding to the progesterone receptors. When bound to the PR's, the body sees it as progesterone, which is a strong inhibitor of the HPTA and therefore test production.

 

[CanadianGhoust]

bro deca dick has been around a long time, I took deca in the late 80's and 90's and just this spring and all three times it shuts down my wood, I love deca just hate that one negative effect it gives me.

 

[pharmguy]

Depo-provera, a long acting progesterone is given in some states to rapists and child molesters on early-release programs making rape (at least with their dick) impossible or at least extremely difficult and also removing or at least significantly lowering the desire for sexual impulses.It (depo-provera) binds to the very same receptors as deca does, psychological, I don't think so.......

 

[gwl9dta4]

Dunno, it might be.

The very first time i used Deca i used it alone @ 400mg per week, They were organon yellow tops. It shut my dick down so hard i thought i got castrated. But oddly enough the same exact cycle about a year later gave NO side effects at all. No Deca dick and sex drive was through the roof. Same drug, same manufacturer, same dosage different time. Maybe it was psychological after all.

This brigs me to a point and observation made by BBF.. He noticed that with more cycles under your belt the side effects were less and less noticable and would subside significantly with each use. I thought about it and noticed the same thing. Namely with Deca. Also d-ball made me loose hair like crazy the first time i used it, but the second and third time around i did not loose a single hair, even with 500mg of sust thrown in. Something to think about for sure.

 

[khavanin]

Some of the infos on this board are exagerated just as steroid dosage is.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Dunno, it might be.

The very first time i used Deca i used it alone @ 400mg per week, They were organon yellow tops. It shut my dick down so hard i thought i got castrated. But oddly enough the same exact cycle about a year later gave NO side effects at all. No Deca dick and sex drive was through the roof. Same drug, same manufacturer, same dosage different time. Maybe it was psychological after all.

This brigs me to a point and observation made by BBF.. He noticed that with more cycles under your belt the side effects were less and less noticable and would subside significantly with each use. I thought about it and noticed the same thing. Namely with Deca. Also d-ball made me loose hair like crazy the first time i used it, but the second and third time around i did not loose a single hair, even with 500mg of sust thrown in. Something to think about for sure.

I was refering to trenbolone actually, but to a certain extend, I guess you are right. It seems to be the case with other roids a well. Perhaps over time to body adapts to elevated levels of certain hormones, and accepts them as normal, or at least it becomes less of a shock to the body after it adapts. Otherwise, how could we have pro's who use a gram of test a day, with 200 mg a dbol and 200 mg of tren thrown in (yes there are guys doing cycles like this). I think after years of heavy androgen use, they are able to work up to these doses with much fewer problems. The human body is adapable beyond belief.

 

[gwl9dta4]

I was refering to trenbolone actually, but to a certain extend, I guess you are right. It seems to be the case with other roids a well. Perhaps over time to body adapts to elevated levels of certain hormones, and accepts them as normal, or at least it becomes less of a shock to the body after it adapts. Otherwise, how could we have pro's who use a gram of test a day, with 200 mg a dbol and 200 mg of tren thrown in (yes there are guys doing cycles like this). I think after years of heavy androgen use, they are able to work up to these doses with much fewer problems. The human body is adapable beyond belief.

I agree with this. Also with time the cycles were more effective at smaller dosages. There is definitely a shock to the body at first then over time it seems the body works with the substances and they become very synnergistic, or so it would seem. If anyone can shed any light on this feel free.

And BBF thanks for chiming in.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Right, I'm making better gains on my current cycle that I did on a higher doses cycle a year ago. New research may shed some light on this though. Over time, androgen receptors UPREGULATE due to higher doses of steroids, not downregulate. This is now been proven with multiple studies and results have been published in the New England Journal of Medicine.

My theory is this: iif there are more androgen receptors available to utilize the otherwise excessive levels of androgens, then a smaller percentage of them will be acted up on enezymes such as aromatase and alpha-5-reductase to convert them into other substances. Also drugs such as the various nandrolones that can cross-bind with other types of receptors will tend to do so at a much smaller rate, since they have a stronger affinty for type II AR's. This part is not something I can prove, but it seems to make sense based on current scientific knowledge. Any thoughts?

 

[muscleup]

Hell no it's not psychological...I have experienced it first hand...I will never touch deca again

 

[daveyboy]

Hell no it's not psychological...I have experienced it first hand...I will never touch deca again

I hear ya on that bro. If I even look at a bottle of deca my dick goes limp....heheh. I really do like the results strength wise that I get from it, but it just absolutely kills Mr. Winkie.

 

[majutsu]

Will viagra counteract it? I have never got deca dick, but you never know what the future will bring. If it happens will viagra wipe it out?

 

[Mr. Black]

Will viagra counteract it? I have never got deca dick, but you never know what the future will bring. If it happens will viagra wipe it out?

...it might but why pay $20 per night when you don't have to.

 

[pharmguy]

...it might but why pay $20 per night when you don't have to


Liquid V is way cheaper than that, plus cialis is cheap and works well too

 

[Austrian]

Will viagra counteract it? I have never got deca dick, but you never know what the future will bring. If it happens will viagra wipe it out?

no, because Viagra / Cialis / Levitra work only on improving the blood flow but it does nothing to increase your libido. Stacking some testosterone like 250mg enanthate per week will do away with any deca/tren dick though.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I hear ya on that bro. If I even look at a bottle of deca my dick goes limp....heheh. I really do like the results strength wise that I get from it, but it just absolutely kills Mr. Winkie.

I really hope that was a joke. He just said that it isn't psychological because he's had it (if it were psychological he could still have it of course, so very poor logic). Then you agree with him and state "if I even look at a bottle of deca....". So are you admiting that it is psychological, because you get it from looking at the bottle?










j/k I know it was a figure of speech. Just picking on you to make my point. Those who get this side effect are saying it is real because they get it. Obviously ALL psychological effects would appear to be real, and you really do suffer the effect. However, I have noticed that guys I know who use deca, but have not heard of this, or believe it to be a myth, simply do not suffer from the side effect. They usually claim the opposite. That use of nandrolone actually causes an increase in libido and/or longer sex.

 

[twistedneck]

Originally posted by BodyByFiniplix

The only steroid shown to cause this sort of effect in animal testing was winstrol, which also had a high rate of causing an inability to ejaculate in animals who were given the drug.

Interesting how winstrol reduced drive in animal testing but its common to see Winstrol used with Deca and Tren to reduce the progestenic sides.. Has winstrol done this to you guys? I'm about to embark on a Winstrol cycle. Regards, twistedneck.

 

[Dr. JK]

Winny counters Deca dick

I have experienced Deca dick and don't think it was pshycological becasue I just didn't have any sex drive.

I did ntoice that when I used Winny with Deca, my libido imrpoved and felt close to normal.

I think the Progesterone theory of Deca is correct if you consider the Winny theory of countering Progesterone binding.

I don't use much test, so I stack Deca or EQ with winny + Proviron and do HCG shots every 4-6 weeks to spike the little guys

I think spiking HCG every 4-6 weeks is a good thing to ensure HPTA does not go into a deep sleep.

Add Proviron to your next Deca stack and you will see a big difference

 

[wend]

Sometimes I wonder if the term "Deca Dick" has just been popularized because of the alliteration.

 

[solidspine]

Yes

I have been on deca 8 weeks, no problems with erections, but have recently had problems cumming, bummer. Switching to EQ in Week 9

good luck and viagra is a blessing from heaven

 

[pharmguy]

Switching to EQ in Week 9

It is going to take several weeks that deca level to decrease, and about the same time for that EQ to build up

 

[muscleup]

I really hope that was a joke. He just said that it isn't psychological because he's had it (if it were psychological he could still have it of course, so very poor logic). Then you agree with him and state "if I even look at a bottle of deca....". So are you admiting that it is psychological, because you get it from looking at the bottle?










j/k I know it was a figure of speech. Just picking on you to make my point. Those who get this side effect are saying it is real because they get it. Obviously ALL psychological effects would appear to be real, and you really do suffer the effect. However, I have noticed that guys I know who use deca, but have not heard of this, or believe it to be a myth, simply do not suffer from the side effect. They usually claim the opposite. That use of nandrolone actually causes an increase in libido and/or longer sex.

LMAO...No, I know first hand what deca does to your HPTA...I'm not one of these guys that copy and paste all the research that you read...What I'm telling you is first hand experience. I was on deca @400 mgs per week along side of that was test@500 mgs per week. Everything was fine until weeks 6. My erections sucked and my sex drive even while on test was low at best. It got WAY worse as I came off. My sex drive and ability to maintain an erection got so bad, that I went to a urologist to get checked...Well he did all the standard testing{LH, Test levels, Prolactin} all came back somewhat in the normal range but, it still took me 3-4 months after that cycle to start feeling "normal"...Post cycle therapy was very aggressive and made little to no difference{on my sex drive that is}...This is my experience from deca. The gains are great from this drug. But one thing we all need to realize before we start saying that it's "psychological" is that we ALL react different from different compounds...In other words, what may work for you may not work for me.

 

[daveyboy]

I really hope that was a joke. He just said that it isn't psychological because he's had it (if it were psychological he could still have it of course, so very poor logic). Then you agree with him and state "if I even look at a bottle of deca....". So are you admiting that it is psychological, because you get it from looking at the bottle?

j/k I know it was a figure of speech. Just picking on you to make my point. Those who get this side effect are saying it is real because they get it. Obviously ALL psychological effects would appear to be real, and you really do suffer the effect. However, I have noticed that guys I know who use deca, but have not heard of this, or believe it to be a myth, simply do not suffer from the side effect. They usually claim the opposite. That use of nandrolone actually causes an increase in libido and/or longer sex.

Yes, of course it was a joke. The fact is that deca does shut me down hard though.....very hard. I'd love to use it for a little power lifting training because of the strength results I get from it but it destroys my sex drive.....& not because I looked at the bottle either....heheh. Like I said before, that part was intended as a joke. That's really the only gear that's done that to me. Just passing on my experience with it. Sorry if anyone took that the wrong way.

 

[pharmguy]

It is not the shutdown that kills you only, It is the progestenergic agonism