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humm is he from earth?? he must not be if he made the fucker...
.....do you people worship an alien..??
.....do you people worship an alien..??
what if C-A-T really spelled dog?
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it dosn't??Devastation said:
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roidpuple
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....oh ya very true.... when you are done clean her up and send her my way..
... I will have to change my way and pray for at least a day or too.....
... I will have to change my way and pray for at least a day or too.....
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Well not a classic alien like in scifi pictures. But Ive taken spiritual trips to the fourth plateau and beyond and met God or the embodiment of a higher being. Also I met what could be called aliens. That was in the frequency realm, like how light behaves as both a wave and a particle there is the duality there as there is with this universe. We are of the particle world and the aliens are of the wave world, I have travelled there and they are very curious and friendly. Much higher intelligence than us. They are responsible for all spiritual experiences and religious teachings.
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BrothaBill said:
hummm .... wtf? ha ha...
...... I to like your avatar funny movie.. ha ha
if you believe in aliens... then they could explain anything.. depending on what you blieved they could do....
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look up Zacharias Sitchin - he has some very interesting ideas about god.
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big_bad_buff
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god=god
aliens=demons
aliens=demons
Dirk Howat
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What is an alien?
Isn't that something qualitatively different to us. I.e. its ALIEN to us.
For Jews and Christians God is an alien because he is qualitatively different from us.
According to their logic:
God = Demon
Isn't that something qualitatively different to us. I.e. its ALIEN to us.
For Jews and Christians God is an alien because he is qualitatively different from us.
According to their logic:
God = Demon
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.....god = magic
..magic = god
demons = magic
..magic = god
demons = magic
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I cant quote you but Ill answer your questions that you had Dirk.Dirk Howat said:
In the frequency realm they were separate entities and could communicate separately as individuals, they spoke but it was not like a voice but I definitely got the message as if they were.
They stretched frequency like strands of the universe making up the blanket that the universe is make out of. Some of them would snap as the universe expand and pulled the threads til they broke and it was the most intruiging sound, sorta like a guitar string if you were to break it but much more depth and longer sound.
Well the entities were very friendly. While I was there my mind was a rush of ideas, the universe all made sense to me and I felt so much at peace. As a very scientific person that wasnt spiritual before this, actually somewhat of a reluctant existentalist, this really changed me and my view on life and death. I was able to be at peace with the thought of dying and that was something that used to bother me. ...and the band played... the notion of dying and being forever forgotten as my life drifted out of peoples memories. Now I am at peace. They filled me with many ideas, yet I am able to only to think of them as concepts not with specifics.
On other journies, I felt an omnipresent force that I can only describe that it felt as if I was touching the face of God. The sense is that it was female but I could not tell. I floated through the hall of the gods and intricate layout with murals and marble images of all the Gods. But you see they are all part of a collective Spirit. They just represent different aspects of that spirit, its hard to describe. But I am a believer in what I saw and felt, there was a voice explaining things to me, not like a voice but I knew what was being conveyed to me in clear terms. This wasnt at all like a dream. I was fully aware and my long term and short term memories were intact and had full cognitive abilities. THis was an out of body experience that chemically induced based a substance wont name and its all laid out scientifically based on studies from the fifties on the use of the substance. The user reports from these studies are remarkably similar nature and also with my experience as well.
So this experience is scientifically reproducible and the amount is based on mg/kg so you can take just the right amount.
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Bwahahaha...I haven't seen that in yearsDevastation said:
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Dirk Howat said:
Wow Dirk, that really is similar to what I was trying to describe, although its very hard to describe such an encounter like that, at least for me.
I was not a believer in the afterlife at all, but after this I totally believe now. Ive always been of the mindset that I have to see it to believe it and now I have done just that.
I know 99% of the people are skeptical that I had that experience but I know what I saw and experienced. I cant blame them b/c they didnt see it so they shouldnt believe it.
But for the brave, its a reproducible journey that can be had that will make more spiritual.
Im tired, time for a nap.
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I actually lost the book in which I wrote it all down, but I put part of it on my notebook and uploaded on the web for safekeeping
It was a real as talking to someone in person. The deal is, I have a very powerful mind which is why I could do that shit.
It was like my mind was so strong and I had this mental connection which was like a mental hold on first my mom, while her soul was being suck up into the air and then I keep that connection and then I talked to her to tell me about reality, existence and then some man came and I KEPT this strong mental connection until I was done. It was like I was stronger, etc......... then him. It lasted about an hour.
It was real or realer then communicating with you now.
More direct.
FYI, I was sober and not on drugs.
It was a real as talking to someone in person. The deal is, I have a very powerful mind which is why I could do that shit.
It was like my mind was so strong and I had this mental connection which was like a mental hold on first my mom, while her soul was being suck up into the air and then I keep that connection and then I talked to her to tell me about reality, existence and then some man came and I KEPT this strong mental connection until I was done. It was like I was stronger, etc......... then him. It lasted about an hour.
It was real or realer then communicating with you now.
More direct.
FYI, I was sober and not on drugs.
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Yeah, we talked about about that you dont like drugs and neither do I, it was just away for me to experience the plateaus where that is possible.
Totally hear you on the communication, the whole thing was very strong and it was mental communication but it was a full communication I knew so much with the thoughts conveyed. I was able to reproduce the visits on dozens of occasions on my journies and I was becoming more known and each visit built upon the last. Again, impossible to describe.
Well if you ever feel comfortable sharing that experience I would be very interested in looking at for any more similarities.
Damn so tired right now, anyhow take it easy Dirk.
Totally hear you on the communication, the whole thing was very strong and it was mental communication but it was a full communication I knew so much with the thoughts conveyed. I was able to reproduce the visits on dozens of occasions on my journies and I was becoming more known and each visit built upon the last. Again, impossible to describe.
Well if you ever feel comfortable sharing that experience I would be very interested in looking at for any more similarities.
Damn so tired right now, anyhow take it easy Dirk.
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why wait??
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good luck on that witch hunt..
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What UP BrothaBill.
This was the most powerful experience in my life from a physical power/mental state. Meaning I am a very powerful man mentally and physically but it was like this Cosmic force or a tornado sucktion in which my Mom's soul like went from her body into mine and part of MY spirit/sould/mind (I believe the soul and spirit is mental as is God) when with her up into heaven. Even at the very begining when I went outside, I was looking down at myself like I was in the sky. It was kind of like my mind was up in heaven and on the ground at the same time and there was much more power then one person can possess but I was strong enough mentally to keep that connection alive for about an hour.
After I left on the bus from Oregon to Utah, believe it or not, this spirit was with me. It was SURREAL. I had soo much f'n god power, part of it was my mom because for the first couple of days when I arrived in Utah, I felt like part of her was in me. I even was snifeling like my mom did. Then her spirit gradually left. But even before, I felt like God came to me physically, and is still with me to the extent, sometimes it is someone else who is controlling my actions, like shit I do is for-ordained to happen. In Asatru, we call it fate, the fates tell you your future. The past, present and future are like the web of consciousness. I just feel like I am connected 24/7 to that web of consciousness because for the last 15 years I have been studying existence and I feel that existence CAME TO me. IMO, because I was worthy and NOT A USER of God but rather a person is recepticle (knowledge and power).
Its kick ass shit but the power is so strong, its hard to control.
But yo, IMO, I have this moral code which makes me unable to do unethical things even if it will cost my life. Its like power combined with morality, which is why I believe, God incarnated in me and some USER fuck.
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Dirk Howat said:
An Old Roman: The fates lead him who will, him wont; the drag.
Its actually pretty amazing the stuff you are saying b/c you are explaining some of my experiences better than Ive been able to. Yes, alot of that makes sense and I too have studied philosophy of men. Not to the extent that you have though Im thinking b/c you are talk on a deeper level with your posts and Ive focused more on science as a career.
Thats just the thing, I read tons on philosophy trying to figure this crazy thing called "Life" out and the more I read the more hollow I felt. I got one of my degrees in Psych and was a cognitive researcher and it was depressing to see the human patterns that are so predictable as if there was no free will in this animal called human. Pretty pessimistic about that and I had a hard time not using what I knew how about human nature so that I wouldnt influence them unethically.
Anyhow before the similar experience of yours I was scattered in terms of spirituality. My experience like yours I felt a higher power and the rush of ideas was amazing and while I was out of body, it all finally made sense. Like all the circuits in my brain connected and I figured it all out. That was the sense that I got that I had the prize. By being who I was an avid seeker to understand the psyche then this was my deserved reward.
Since then, I also seem to feel that something is still with me.
The way you talk about still part of that web is an excellent to describe how I feel after my experience. Like part of the whole, I dont know, I cant describe it as well as you.
I totally see what you mean about the ethical code that makes you strong and that was why you experienced what you did. That was an underlying feeling in my experience as well.
From what youve written I think that we are on the same page on alot of the God issues. I dont pay attention though to organized religion though. Ive studied the concepts years ago but I dont pay attention to it. IMO they are all faces of God. Each culture sees it own mask of God and describes the same entity differently with a blend of their cultural beliefs.
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Pretty much for the last 15 years, I have been reading about philsophy, religion and science. The more I read it was like the more mental power I possessed, and the higher my consciousnes became. My head is in the clouds literally and God basically, IMO, is bored and has no one to talk to on a even par mental basis. When people pray, because their mind is weak and on a earthly animal level, they are not connected to God or God's conscious in the cosmos. But the more mental power you have, its like God comes to you, and then its like you are God because that power and knowledge over takes you. You harmonize with it, communicate with it, are OPEN to whatever truth it is, and you are objectively RECEPTIVE to it being you believe in truth, a seeker, then that power comes to you and guides you in life, you become an aspect of God as long as you keep that power. People actually try to take that power away from you. Seriously, this is the biggest problem. People are takers. Religous people especially. The ask for shit, pray for shit for themselves or other in whom they indirectly benefit. I said in an earlier post, how many people would commit suicide for God. None but everyone wants to kill for God because they think they will get a benefit from it, eternal life, feeling of power in killing when they know they will not be harmed. Do you think God likes users and self interested idiots?
God likes givers, who give themselves without that person's self interest at stake or where they would use that power for their own interests.
Its like when some begger comes to you asking for a dollar. How do you feel?
This is in the position God is in all the time when people pray to him. Can you do this for me? Can you do that for someone?
What would it be like if someone came up to you to understand you disinterestly without judgement and open minded. You would take to that person and after awhile that person would be you.
God likes givers, who give themselves without that person's self interest at stake or where they would use that power for their own interests.
Its like when some begger comes to you asking for a dollar. How do you feel?
This is in the position God is in all the time when people pray to him. Can you do this for me? Can you do that for someone?
What would it be like if someone came up to you to understand you disinterestly without judgement and open minded. You would take to that person and after awhile that person would be you.
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I actually have these Jewish, Christian and their henchmen stalkers who try to convert me and threaten or do violence if I do not. They try to bribe me. In essence, they try to take my God power from me. Like beggers asking for money, In the END, they are self interested users which is why I have more God power and knowledge then them. Because I have sacrificed more of my life then they have, i.e. suffered.
My advice to them is to become objective, personally detach your self from you bigotry, and give your life over, i.e. sacrifice yourself by time and energy and they will then have the same knowledge and godpower as I do and then they would not have to bribe me, black mail, or do violence to me.
Its a more moral way.
My advice to them is to become objective, personally detach your self from you bigotry, and give your life over, i.e. sacrifice yourself by time and energy and they will then have the same knowledge and godpower as I do and then they would not have to bribe me, black mail, or do violence to me.
Its a more moral way.
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I can appreciate your views on that and they make sense to me. I dont really focus on peoples actions and their motivations so I cant describe how I feel about that. I think that you are right about them seeking things from God and asking for shit rather than giving. I dont I could go on for awhile on that.
I dont see God though as someone or having a personality really. Ill never be able to describe it. Actually you had posted something about the Brahmans, so I looked it up and ran across Brahman, although not the peoples you were discussing, but upanashadic discussion. It is a somewhat descriptive way to describe God, only they use Altman and Brahman and altman. This is loosely a way Id describe the higher being.
The hymns of the Rig Veda are addressed to a huge collection of devas , or gods; however, there are several references to a single god or single principle which is the source or the totality of all other divinities and phenomenon in the universe; this is an early attempt in Hinduism to unify the many into the one. This single, originary divinity is sometimes the combination of all the gods put together, the Vishvadevas, or "Allgods." Sometimes this single divinity or principle is a concrete, active force, such as the World Maker (Vishvakarman: "All-maker"), or it's highly abstract, such as Rita, or cosmic order, an idea similar in some respects (but different in others) to the Chinese concept of the Tao or the Great Ultimate.
Upanishadic literature tended to talk about this unitary or single divinity, power, or principle to the exclusion of all other gods, so that philosophically Indian thought during the Upanishadic period moved towards many of the same conclusions as Parmenides and the Eleatic philosophers did in ancient Greece. This single, unitary divinity had several aspects and names in the Upanishads, two of the most important are Atman, "Universal Spirit," and Brahman. The word "brahman" in Sanskrit originally meant "power" and specifically referred to the power of prayer or sacrifice to bring about material change in the world (hence the word brahmin for priest); so that Brahman seems to refer to the power that brings about and changes the physical universe. In the Upanishads , Brahman is not only the principle and creator of all there is, but is also the sum totality of the universe and its phenomena.
This dual nature of the single divinity or totality of the universe, Brahman and Atman, gets worked out in the following way. Brahman can be located both in the physical, external world and also in the spiritual and inner world where it is present as Atman, "universal spirit." Now every human being has an undying soul (atman) which, because of samsara, lasts through eternity from life to life; this undying atman is a microcosm of Atman, the universal spirit, which is identical to Brahman. By understanding your true Self, by coming to know one's own undying soul, one then arrives at the knowledge of Brahman itself; the key to understanding the nature of the one unitary principle of the universe is to see one's (undying) self as identical with Brahman: "aham asmi Brahman": I am Brahman.
Here's the equation: Brahman=Atman=atman. Brahman is the totality of the universe as it is present outside of you;, Atman is the totality of the universe as it is present within you; Brahman is the totality of the world known objectively, Atman is the totality of the world known subjectively. This equation fundamentally underlies the whole of Krishna's teachings concerning dharma in the Baghavad Gita .
I dont see God though as someone or having a personality really. Ill never be able to describe it. Actually you had posted something about the Brahmans, so I looked it up and ran across Brahman, although not the peoples you were discussing, but upanashadic discussion. It is a somewhat descriptive way to describe God, only they use Altman and Brahman and altman. This is loosely a way Id describe the higher being.
The hymns of the Rig Veda are addressed to a huge collection of devas , or gods; however, there are several references to a single god or single principle which is the source or the totality of all other divinities and phenomenon in the universe; this is an early attempt in Hinduism to unify the many into the one. This single, originary divinity is sometimes the combination of all the gods put together, the Vishvadevas, or "Allgods." Sometimes this single divinity or principle is a concrete, active force, such as the World Maker (Vishvakarman: "All-maker"), or it's highly abstract, such as Rita, or cosmic order, an idea similar in some respects (but different in others) to the Chinese concept of the Tao or the Great Ultimate.
Upanishadic literature tended to talk about this unitary or single divinity, power, or principle to the exclusion of all other gods, so that philosophically Indian thought during the Upanishadic period moved towards many of the same conclusions as Parmenides and the Eleatic philosophers did in ancient Greece. This single, unitary divinity had several aspects and names in the Upanishads, two of the most important are Atman, "Universal Spirit," and Brahman. The word "brahman" in Sanskrit originally meant "power" and specifically referred to the power of prayer or sacrifice to bring about material change in the world (hence the word brahmin for priest); so that Brahman seems to refer to the power that brings about and changes the physical universe. In the Upanishads , Brahman is not only the principle and creator of all there is, but is also the sum totality of the universe and its phenomena.
This dual nature of the single divinity or totality of the universe, Brahman and Atman, gets worked out in the following way. Brahman can be located both in the physical, external world and also in the spiritual and inner world where it is present as Atman, "universal spirit." Now every human being has an undying soul (atman) which, because of samsara, lasts through eternity from life to life; this undying atman is a microcosm of Atman, the universal spirit, which is identical to Brahman. By understanding your true Self, by coming to know one's own undying soul, one then arrives at the knowledge of Brahman itself; the key to understanding the nature of the one unitary principle of the universe is to see one's (undying) self as identical with Brahman: "aham asmi Brahman": I am Brahman.
Here's the equation: Brahman=Atman=atman. Brahman is the totality of the universe as it is present outside of you;, Atman is the totality of the universe as it is present within you; Brahman is the totality of the world known objectively, Atman is the totality of the world known subjectively. This equation fundamentally underlies the whole of Krishna's teachings concerning dharma in the Baghavad Gita .
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You know your shit.
In Arya Dharma, the Upanishads, Brahman is the eternal soul and then you have your soul or Atman. There goal is for Atman and Brahman to be ONE. This really the goal of religion for an individual. Now a religious organization may be different. Some are like political parties and governments, they are about power, getting more power and using whatever Machivellian techniques to get and hold power.
The Rig Veda is before the Upanishad and before this they had a God call Dyaus Pater, or Heavenly Father who was the orginal Indo-European God. As the proto-Indo-European evolved, grew and spread out, they tookd their religion with them. In Greek they called it Zeus, in Teutonic world Tiwaz, Roman Ju-pitar, Hitite Tius, etc......
I am reconstructing that PIE (proto-Indo-European or Aryan) religion in a Teutonic context.
Do you know about Purusha?
In Arya Dharma, the Upanishads, Brahman is the eternal soul and then you have your soul or Atman. There goal is for Atman and Brahman to be ONE. This really the goal of religion for an individual. Now a religious organization may be different. Some are like political parties and governments, they are about power, getting more power and using whatever Machivellian techniques to get and hold power.
The Rig Veda is before the Upanishad and before this they had a God call Dyaus Pater, or Heavenly Father who was the orginal Indo-European God. As the proto-Indo-European evolved, grew and spread out, they tookd their religion with them. In Greek they called it Zeus, in Teutonic world Tiwaz, Roman Ju-pitar, Hitite Tius, etc......
I am reconstructing that PIE (proto-Indo-European or Aryan) religion in a Teutonic context.
Do you know about Purusha?
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No, I am not familiar with Purusha.
You are on a much higher level than I am with philosophy and ancient studies, so Ill prolly get a little lost as you reference things.
Purusha as a vedic hymn on the creator.
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BrothaBill said:
In Arya Dharma, Purusha is the Primordial man. Dyeus Pitar, or God is evolving and God created this world by destroying matter and creating life. God destroyed primordial man/matter called Purusha and from this destruction man was created. The Brahman from his Mind, and other people for other limbs. The Brahman is the mind of god and the offspring of God.
This is also in Teutonic religion. Same deal. God, or Tiwaz or Air as I have deduced (Airmanareiks is a gothic extant name. Air meaning god of the sky, man meaning man, and reiks meaning power or rule. So Airmanareiks is God incarnated God man with power and dominion)
God destroyed the primordial giant or Thurs/Jotun we call Ymir and various kinds where born. In Rigsthula, it states God incarnated in midgard or earth and begot progeny first the thrall,. then karl then jarl who was the noble class. He choose this noble class (ario) gave them knowledge (runes) of God and gave them dominion. This is the same as in Arya Dharma and the Laws of Manu.
In both Arya Dharma and Teutonic or what I call (Irminism because Airmanarics is also derived into Ermanaric or Irminaric, Ir being God, or Air) you have God destroying primordial man or matter and creating or begetting a offspring or Godpeople, (Brahman Aryans (Ario, or Irmins in Teutonic religion).
They are both offshoots of the proto Aryan religion which is around 20,000 years old.
More about the Primordial man:
The Primordial man, as Ymir, is displaying the creation of man,
the breaking up of the material giant into the more spiritual man,
also by the breakup, illustrates the nature of divine society, As in
Purusha destruction divides itself into distinct qualitatively
differing beings, new beings, from one to many. Then from Primordial
Man/Ymir to Man/Laws of Manus/Rigsthula, to have the rede or log
of the god who broke it up, thus giving a reason for the
destruction/killing of this being into something qualitatively
different. Which was the gods intentional of being objectifying
itself in space and time. Manifesting itself.
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In the Rig Veda you have Aryanman, some scholars thought it
men "Aryan hood personified" by in my take is like Manu type of God
the tribal begettor god of the Arya, the people of the Vedas.
Then I remember I came across this word Gauls used "Ariomannus"
Then you have the Gothic name Airmanareiks (Airman + reiks
(power/ruler). Lit, the power of Airman or the ruler of Airman.
Aryaman (they called themselves arya ).
Ariomannus,
Ariovistus - historical individual.
Airmanareiks (Ermanaric) historical individual.
IMO, this would translate to:
Airmanareiks
Irmin - ric
Arya
Ario
Air
Ir
Irmin the god as the sybol of the begetor of the people.
Ruler or power of Irmin, the Sky God of the tree symbolizing cosmic
expansion as Irminsul, the pillar of Irmin, the original Teutonic
Sky god.
Thus you archaic Teutonic religion
Skt Aryaman
Zorastrain Airyaman
Gaul Ariomanus
Gothic Airmanreiks
Ireland Ermon
Anglo Saxon Irmin
For all our sons, good wives.
For all our daughters, good husbands.
For all our people, happiness and health
in a land ruled by just law:
Aryamen, we pray to you.
Dyéus Patér and Aryamen are often linked together, here is a prayer
for them both:
Dyéus Patér Aryamenkwe:
May what we do be according to the Dhétis.
May what we accomplish conform to the Artus.
Dyeus Pater and Aryaman
Tiuz Fader and Irmin
The Meaning of Air
In Hitite, it means belonging to one's own group,peer, friend.
In old irish aire means free, noble.
In general, when one wants to understand the origins of a language
or a religion, the earliest texts, linguistic meaning are most
valuable. Thus, Hititte being older, Airoman would mean the god of
our group. In gothic, something like, the god of our kuni(kind),
Airmanreiks, or the power of our kuni, the ruler of our kuni.
So if this was the god of our thjod, then you would look for some
degree of a latter afteraffect relevence.
Rigsthula, Rig(ON Rik, Gothic Reiks) begets man.
This god would be the ruler of the kuni, of that kind.
It is not far to understand that Rig/Rik/Reiks is Airmanoreiks,
Aryaman. The god who begets the Arya/Airo/Ir - mans.
Earliest is Veda society where Manu (lit man) gave laws as the Laws
of Manu which relates establishing society according to their way,
to contracts of god and man, man and man, and man and women. Rig in
ON, taught Jarl, knowledge, taught him runes, the mysteries of
existence.
Thus, the God Generator begets man, his kuni, and is his link to the
divine. Irman the god of the thuida, begets man and gives him god-
law.
The problem lie in early self indentification.
Early in India, they called themselves Arya as stated in the Rig
Veda. What would this be in a Teutonic context? Ir. Or better yet,
Irmins.
We must look at Germania:
In their old ballads (which amongst them are the only sort of
registers and history) they celebrate Tuisto, a God sprung from the
earth, and Mannus his son, as the fathers and founders of the
nation. To Mannus they assign three sons, after whose names so many
people are called; the Ingaevones, dwelling next the ocean; the
Herminones, in the middle country; and all the rest, Instaevones.
Some, borrowing a warrant from the darkness of antiquity, maintain
that the God had more sons, that thence came more denominations of
people, the Marsians, Gambrians, Suevians, and Vandalians, and that
these are the names truly genuine and original.
Tiuz - The original PIE sky god, in Rigsthula as Reiks, the Ruler
proper, the god, begets three kuni, Thrall, Karl, Jarl. Jarl is the
favored and taught god knowlege, i.e. runes which really symbolizes
the way of god, the knowledge of existence and God. He is the man.
If you were Hebrew, he would be choosen. In Germania, Tacitus
states it is Tuisto, surely Tiews, who begets Mannus (see Arya Laws
of Manu), and from there has three sons. One being none other then
Herminones which is the Irmins, or something to that affect. As the
favored people in Rigsthula and looking at the absence of the other
names (Instaevones, Ingaevones/Vanir) you would believe that Hititte
Ariyaman, Sanskrit Aryaman, Gaul Ariomanus, Gothic Airmanreiks, OS
Irman, and the absence of extant relevence, importance to the other
kuni, that:
the proto-Germanic religion is originated from (in Germania terms):
Tuisto
Mannus
Herminones
The Instaevones, Ingaevones/Vanir people, if Tacitus is fully
accurate, are not proper in, i.e. foreign to, Teutonic religion, and
maybe not even Indo-European at all.
So from Germania to Gothic:
Tiews
Mans (not sure) but most probably Airmanareiks
Airman
Then in Gothic you have this word:
Mana-seth
man - seed
So our would, or heim, gard, could be called a manaseth in Gothic.
Which corresponds to Rig doing his seeding-deed in Rigsthula to
create us.
Which, IMO, relates to Tiews/Airmanareiks begetting the Irmins or Aryans.
Earliest extant
Sanskrit, Hititte, Zorastrian
Aryaman
Manu (laws of man establishing godlaws, the right, rita)
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Linguistic Proof (earliest to latest, using logical consistentcy).
Dyaus Pitar
Aryaman
Manu (Laws of Manu from Aryaman creating Arya as a
spiritual/material connection to god.)
Arya
Germania:
Tuisto
Mannus
Herminones
Gothic:
Airmanareiks
Mana-seth
Old Norse:
Rigr
Jarl (the Noble man, rather then Thrall/Slave, Karl/farmer).
Logical construction leads to:
Irmin/Teiws (god of law among other attributes).
Irminsul (the pillar of god/irmin, the tree of life, the tree of
god, i.e. world, as the expansion of space and time creating
existence, Trees expand and grow as does our cosmos)
Irminaric (the power of god being manifest in space in time)
Manaseth (creating a kuni with his man-seed, the result being)
Irmins (which in gothic are thuida, or people living in Gutthiuda,
the people flowing from god from his manaseth if Gutthiuda means
land of the Gotic people and Goth means to pour out)
From their perspective and god, they are man (mannus/madr) and
people (thuida/thjod). But their self identification is with god as
in Herminones/ Irmins.
From another context:
Irmin/Irmins
God/Gods
men "Aryan hood personified" by in my take is like Manu type of God
the tribal begettor god of the Arya, the people of the Vedas.
Then I remember I came across this word Gauls used "Ariomannus"
Then you have the Gothic name Airmanareiks (Airman + reiks
(power/ruler). Lit, the power of Airman or the ruler of Airman.
Aryaman (they called themselves arya ).
Ariomannus,
Ariovistus - historical individual.
Airmanareiks (Ermanaric) historical individual.
IMO, this would translate to:
Airmanareiks
Irmin - ric
Arya
Ario
Air
Ir
Irmin the god as the sybol of the begetor of the people.
Ruler or power of Irmin, the Sky God of the tree symbolizing cosmic
expansion as Irminsul, the pillar of Irmin, the original Teutonic
Sky god.
Thus you archaic Teutonic religion
Skt Aryaman
Zorastrain Airyaman
Gaul Ariomanus
Gothic Airmanreiks
Ireland Ermon
Anglo Saxon Irmin
For all our sons, good wives.
For all our daughters, good husbands.
For all our people, happiness and health
in a land ruled by just law:
Aryamen, we pray to you.
Dyéus Patér and Aryamen are often linked together, here is a prayer
for them both:
Dyéus Patér Aryamenkwe:
May what we do be according to the Dhétis.
May what we accomplish conform to the Artus.
Dyeus Pater and Aryaman
Tiuz Fader and Irmin
The Meaning of Air
In Hitite, it means belonging to one's own group,peer, friend.
In old irish aire means free, noble.
In general, when one wants to understand the origins of a language
or a religion, the earliest texts, linguistic meaning are most
valuable. Thus, Hititte being older, Airoman would mean the god of
our group. In gothic, something like, the god of our kuni(kind),
Airmanreiks, or the power of our kuni, the ruler of our kuni.
So if this was the god of our thjod, then you would look for some
degree of a latter afteraffect relevence.
Rigsthula, Rig(ON Rik, Gothic Reiks) begets man.
This god would be the ruler of the kuni, of that kind.
It is not far to understand that Rig/Rik/Reiks is Airmanoreiks,
Aryaman. The god who begets the Arya/Airo/Ir - mans.
Earliest is Veda society where Manu (lit man) gave laws as the Laws
of Manu which relates establishing society according to their way,
to contracts of god and man, man and man, and man and women. Rig in
ON, taught Jarl, knowledge, taught him runes, the mysteries of
existence.
Thus, the God Generator begets man, his kuni, and is his link to the
divine. Irman the god of the thuida, begets man and gives him god-
law.
The problem lie in early self indentification.
Early in India, they called themselves Arya as stated in the Rig
Veda. What would this be in a Teutonic context? Ir. Or better yet,
Irmins.
We must look at Germania:
In their old ballads (which amongst them are the only sort of
registers and history) they celebrate Tuisto, a God sprung from the
earth, and Mannus his son, as the fathers and founders of the
nation. To Mannus they assign three sons, after whose names so many
people are called; the Ingaevones, dwelling next the ocean; the
Herminones, in the middle country; and all the rest, Instaevones.
Some, borrowing a warrant from the darkness of antiquity, maintain
that the God had more sons, that thence came more denominations of
people, the Marsians, Gambrians, Suevians, and Vandalians, and that
these are the names truly genuine and original.
Tiuz - The original PIE sky god, in Rigsthula as Reiks, the Ruler
proper, the god, begets three kuni, Thrall, Karl, Jarl. Jarl is the
favored and taught god knowlege, i.e. runes which really symbolizes
the way of god, the knowledge of existence and God. He is the man.
If you were Hebrew, he would be choosen. In Germania, Tacitus
states it is Tuisto, surely Tiews, who begets Mannus (see Arya Laws
of Manu), and from there has three sons. One being none other then
Herminones which is the Irmins, or something to that affect. As the
favored people in Rigsthula and looking at the absence of the other
names (Instaevones, Ingaevones/Vanir) you would believe that Hititte
Ariyaman, Sanskrit Aryaman, Gaul Ariomanus, Gothic Airmanreiks, OS
Irman, and the absence of extant relevence, importance to the other
kuni, that:
the proto-Germanic religion is originated from (in Germania terms):
Tuisto
Mannus
Herminones
The Instaevones, Ingaevones/Vanir people, if Tacitus is fully
accurate, are not proper in, i.e. foreign to, Teutonic religion, and
maybe not even Indo-European at all.
So from Germania to Gothic:
Tiews
Mans (not sure) but most probably Airmanareiks
Airman
Then in Gothic you have this word:
Mana-seth
man - seed
So our would, or heim, gard, could be called a manaseth in Gothic.
Which corresponds to Rig doing his seeding-deed in Rigsthula to
create us.
Which, IMO, relates to Tiews/Airmanareiks begetting the Irmins or Aryans.
Earliest extant
Sanskrit, Hititte, Zorastrian
Aryaman
Manu (laws of man establishing godlaws, the right, rita)
ADVERTISEMENT
Linguistic Proof (earliest to latest, using logical consistentcy).
Dyaus Pitar
Aryaman
Manu (Laws of Manu from Aryaman creating Arya as a
spiritual/material connection to god.)
Arya
Germania:
Tuisto
Mannus
Herminones
Gothic:
Airmanareiks
Mana-seth
Old Norse:
Rigr
Jarl (the Noble man, rather then Thrall/Slave, Karl/farmer).
Logical construction leads to:
Irmin/Teiws (god of law among other attributes).
Irminsul (the pillar of god/irmin, the tree of life, the tree of
god, i.e. world, as the expansion of space and time creating
existence, Trees expand and grow as does our cosmos)
Irminaric (the power of god being manifest in space in time)
Manaseth (creating a kuni with his man-seed, the result being)
Irmins (which in gothic are thuida, or people living in Gutthiuda,
the people flowing from god from his manaseth if Gutthiuda means
land of the Gotic people and Goth means to pour out)
From their perspective and god, they are man (mannus/madr) and
people (thuida/thjod). But their self identification is with god as
in Herminones/ Irmins.
From another context:
Irmin/Irmins
God/Gods
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BrothaBill
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Geez, you are so far beyond my comprehension of this stuff. I find it fascinating but have not pursued it as I would have liked to have.
So are you going to right a book about all of this stuff, if you can rattle that off then you are an expert sounds like.
Man, itd be pretty cool to hang with you maing so that you can explain all of this stuff. I find that I can get lost in the reading. Spending to much time on the menutia rather than the essence of the teachings.
So are you going to right a book about all of this stuff, if you can rattle that off then you are an expert sounds like.
Man, itd be pretty cool to hang with you maing so that you can explain all of this stuff. I find that I can get lost in the reading. Spending to much time on the menutia rather than the essence of the teachings.
Dirk Howat
New member
BrothaBill said:
I am reconstructing the PIE religion bro. The orginial cosmology, god hyms, god law. Then I want to write it in proto-Germanic, Gothic and Old Norse. I am going to brings its philosophic basis up to date and write a philosophic ontological work as well.
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roidpuple
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free will ??? you really thing you have free will...
no no.... it is all chemical reactions... cause and effect...
chance.. no god ... no free will....
...no god... no soul... no heaven... just life.. life happend by chance..
no no.... it is all chemical reactions... cause and effect...
chance.. no god ... no free will....
...no god... no soul... no heaven... just life.. life happend by chance..
