Is Estrogen really needed to grow while on?

[younesom]

I keep hearing everyone saying that you need some Estrogen to make your muscles grow and only take an AI if needed. I personally always thought that you needed an AI when using aromatizing compounds. A national bodybuilder that trains at the same gym I train at says that its a huge misconception that you need Estrogen to grow, and came from the old days when guys would notice that the water weight from the Estrogen made them look bigger and fuller. In fact, he says that having excess Estrogen is very bad for your health, which can cause heart problems, pancreas, and liver problems. He informed me that no matter what always take an small does of AI when on and on your PCT.

Can anyone attest to this? Input? discussions?

Please and thanks as I am very interested to know

 

[stevesmi]

you don't have to take an AI with aromatizing compounds, but expect water weight sides and looking like a bloated fish.

even if your bp is perfect, you can take dbol/test/deca and it will go sky high on cycle with no AI.

 

[younesom]

but isn't it the water weight that causes the high blood pressure? I've always taken 0.25 of adex EOD whenever on, and I am just thinking did I actually need it? If it wasn't for the BD pressure, I think I would just have it on hand, but I can tell I get bloated by the 3-4 week it seems. Plus its expensive as hell. Where I live I can just walk into the pharmacy and buy it.

 

[joeblow12345]

I only use a low dose adex when needed. From my experience if I take too much it definitely seems to slow my gains. On the flip side if I dont use it at all my nips get itchy and sore, and I feel like crap. So find your ideal balance. Everyone is different. I will add that I have used pharm grade ais and serms and research chems and I react the same too both. The only difference is price.


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[younesom]

So I guess is depends on the individual. QQ- do sore, puffy nips immediately indicate pre-gyno?

Thank for the replys

 

[stevesmi]

but isn't it the water weight that causes the high blood pressure? .

yes water weight gains come with a host of side effects and its a domino. high blood pressure, insomnia, headaches.. its a domino effect

you don't want to obliterate your estrogen. but you want to control it.. there is a difference between the two. if you are unsure then run bloods during cycle and check your estradiol. if its too high you need more AI.

 

[ryan666]

As i realised on my cycle, it is important to regulate your estrogen. Too high and its not good, too low and its not good either. Best to get your bloodwork done and keep your estrogen levels in check.

During my cycle, I started gaining fat, feeling crap and low libido issues - I was taking Arimidex on and off when i "felt the need" for it. Got bw done and it showed that estradoil levels were out the roof..

Now that im taking AI @ 0.5mg EOD i feel a lot better, reduced water, less lethargic. I would recommend taking AI with compounds that have a tendancy to aromatize and always get bw done to verify..

High estrogen can also supress FSH/LH and lead to more sides..

 

[stevesmi]

i don't like adex on cycle.. its another drug, granted the sides are low.. its still another drug and if i can avoid drugs i will. i like to run forma on cycle.. and its strong enough to control estro but won't kill it.

i use the adex a day before my photo's are taken to clean out water weight.

 

[younesom]

How much forma is needed, say for a 2 month period?