for me....
less bloat noticed, not as much strength gain, but not pushing as hard possibly.
More solid muscle gain, but this is to be seen on this cycle, but with the less bloat, I feel good about keeping this with good PCT.
Only problem I noticed is SEVERE joint pain...SEVERE!!!!!!! Not sure WTF is going on. I have heard a few comments about this from others, but still unsure of reason.
Overall good results. Solid gains, not as drastic strength increase, less bloat (IMO all good things).