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Iraqis say GTFO

Razorguns

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Hey America.

You just borrowed $1T, sacrified thousands of young lives, made Iraq into a democracy - and now they're using it to tell you to GTFO!

And "take your damn WMDs with you!"

:)

r
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Iraq Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki demands US withdrawal timetable

James Hider in Baghdad

Iraq said for the first time yesterday that it wanted to set a timetable for the withdrawal of US troops from its territory.

President Bush has long resisted a schedule for pulling his 145,000 soldiers out, arguing that it would play into the hands of insurgents. Nouri al-Maliki, the Shia Prime Minister, who boasted last week that he had crushed terrorism in the country, suggested that it was time to start setting time-lines.

“The current trend is to reach an agreement on a memorandum of understanding either for the departure of the forces or to put a timetable on their withdrawal,” Mr al-Maliki said during a visit to the United Arab Emirates. He rejected efforts by Mr Bush to hurry through an agreement on vital issues such as the immunity of US troops in Iraq and use of the country’s airspace. Mr Bush had hoped to sign a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) by the end of July to establish the basis for a long-term presence of US troops in the country.

The Iraqi parliament has bridled at pushing through such a binding deal with the outgoing and unpopular Bush Administration, saying that the negotiations have been secretive and could undermine Iraq’s sovereignty. “I don’t know anything about this agreement and neither does parliament,” said Ezzedine Dawla, a Sunni MP. “We’re going to pass something we don’t know anything about.”

Mr al-Maliki’s announcement showed a growing self-confidence that Iraqi leaders can stand up to their powerful ally. His oil minister said last week that leading Western oil companies would not be allowed to set conditions for future deals over Iraq’s main natural resource. The tough stance also comes before Iraqi provincial elections later this year, and may mark the start of the Prime Minister’s campaign to be reelected. His popularity was bolstered by military operations to take back the southern oil city of Basra and the town of al-Amarah from Iranian-backed Shia militias.

His comments may also hint at future cooperation with Barak Obama, the Democratic candidate, who has promised to pull US troops out of Iraq within 16 months, although Mr Obama has since appeared to waver on the commitment.

“The negotiations are continuing with the American side,” Mr al-Maliki said, reflecting the desire of many MPs to wait until a new administration is in the White House, and Iraq’s provincial elections are over, before making any deal. The agreement would govern such issues as immunity for US troops from prosecution, the use of Iraqi airspace, and which side takes operational control for military missions against insurgents.

Mahmoud Othman, a Kurdish MP, said that the issue of immunity for US forces had become a particularly sensitive subject for Iraqis. “We have suffered so much from immunity. Immunity equals committing crimes. In the name of immunity they have killed people, they have their own prisons, they captured Iraqis. We can’t continue like this,” he said.

Haidar al-Abadi, a close aide to the Prime Minister, said that the US had wanted complete control of Iraqi airspace, since Iraq still had no air force. Mr al-Abadi said that the Government had rejected the demand. “Air-space will be decided by the Iraqi Government,” he said.

In a rebuff to the Mr al-Maliki the Pentagon said any timetable would be articifical and withdrawal would depend on conditions on the ground.
 
it'd be pretty funny if we just pulled out now and said "ok, your problem" and the militants just overran the city.

of course that'd never happen because of all that's been invested, but lets see those fucks deal with the threat on their own
 
calveless wonder said:
it'd be pretty funny if we just pulled out now and said "ok, your problem" and the militants just overran the city.

of course that'd never happen because of all that's been invested, but lets see those fucks deal with the threat on their own


actually that could be the solution. there isn't a country out there that appreciates or can embrace democracy unless they have fought for it themselves.

why should they die for a gift of democracy they don't even half ass act like they want? oh they said they did in the beginning, but what they really wanted was nothing but a power change so they could run the country themselves.

give them a year, they'll be pulling the same shit as saddam was.
 
Yes, that trillion dollars could have been better spent. Just look at your currency now, and there may be worse to come.






b0und (and what about Osama, I keep asking)
 
AAP said:
actually that could be the solution. there isn't a country out there that appreciates or can embrace democracy unless they have fought for it themselves.

why should they die for a gift of democracy they don't even half ass act like they want? oh they said they did in the beginning, but what they really wanted was nothing but a power change so they could run the country themselves.

give them a year, they'll be pulling the same shit as saddam was.

I agree that it would really be the best thing but for other reasons. The Sunni's are the people we want running that country as they are the ene,ies of Iran. Enemy of my Enemy is my friend.

Bush just had a hard-on for Sudham and rushed in there with out thinking through the consequences.
 
one positive

at least know we can WASTE billions of dollars of weapons and killing over the long haul

so next time some ass fag Republican cry's the blues about helping college kids with Tuition or inner sity youth with books or the Poor with Medical, I will tell them to GTFO of my face
 
gjohnson5 said:
We're not leaving Iraq.
If (and I say IF loosely) we are attacking Iran , it makes no sense to leave any time soon

+1

Gota keep Iraq as a nice little staging area for kicking off WW3.
 
AAP said:
actually that could be the solution. there isn't a country out there that appreciates or can embrace democracy unless they have fought for it themselves.

why should they die for a gift of democracy they don't even half ass act like they want? oh they said they did in the beginning, but what they really wanted was nothing but a power change so they could run the country themselves.

give them a year, they'll be pulling the same shit as saddam was.

OMG I agree with you.

I think I should get a CAT scan, just in case.
 
b0und said:
Yes, that trillion dollars could have been better spent. Just look at your currency now, and there may be worse to come.






b0und (and what about Osama, I keep asking)


Better spent on what?
 
Stoßtruppe said:
+1

Gota keep Iraq as a nice little staging area for kicking off WW3.


Didnt people say attacking Iraq would do the same. it would set off a chain of events that would lead to all arab nations joining together?
 
Pat_McCrotch said:
Didnt people say attacking Iraq would do the same. it would set off a chain of events that would lead to all arab nations joining together?

And who says it won't? You think our image in the Arab nation has improved since invading Iraq??
 
Those people (aside from a very select few) are incapable of doing anything for themselves. To say it will be interesting to see what happens once we pull out will be the understatement of the year.

By the way, I'm back from Iraq.
 
military.

however, if the fiance and i weren't currently in school, i would be contracting over there in a heart beat. there is soooo much money to be made over there...you really don't know.
 
Pat_McCrotch said:
Better spent on what?


really?? you think that $1t was well spent? Really? And then you ask what possibly it could have been better spent on? How about that money not been spent at all.....better yet.....not been collected. Now that money get's cycled back into our FLAILING ECONOMY!! Please tell me you're not serious?
 
p0ink said:
military.

however, if the fiance and i weren't currently in school, i would be contracting over there in a heart beat. there is soooo much money to be made over there...you really don't know.


well of course there is.......it's the new land of exploitation, ahem, I mean "oppotunity"...... :rolleyes:


Not that I begrudge those private contractors their salaries.......but it kind of makes me ill that it's basically american tax payer money going to mercenaries rather than to our national troops.
 
Razorguns said:
Hey America.



Iraq Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki demands US withdrawal timetable


timetable?? hell no, how about you wake up tomorrow, and we have withdrawn everything..

how bout that for a timetable.. or rather, how about we just put all our forces permanently withing the bases inside your country that you have already agreed to, and we'll just continue on without you..
 
redsamurai said:
well of course there is.......it's the new land of exploitation, ahem, I mean "oppotunity"...... :rolleyes:


Not that I begrudge those private contractors their salaries.......but it kind of makes me ill that it's basically american tax payer money going to mercenaries rather than to our national troops.

not all contractors are working psd's/security detail. a lot of them are simply doing run-of-the-mill jobs that aren't covered by the military. ie heating/ac, engineers, computers, etc.

trust me...there is money to be made without being blown up in the process.
 
redsamurai said:
really?? you think that $1t was well spent? Really? And then you ask what possibly it could have been better spent on? How about that money not been spent at all.....better yet.....not been collected. Now that money get's cycled back into our FLAILING ECONOMY!! Please tell me you're not serious?


The moneys not ours, so ideally we would have spent it on nothing.

People keep talking about all the money were gonna save if we pull out and people (Obama) have all these idea of what to do with it which really makes no sense.

If your income was $1,000 a month, yet you were spending $30,000 a month on your credit card, would it really make a difference if your spending decreased to $29,500?

No, it wouldnt. For some reason people don't understand that this is exactly the situation were in.
 
AAP said:
actually that could be the solution. there isn't a country out there that appreciates or can embrace democracy unless they have fought for it themselves.

I dunno. The Italians took to it after WWII pretty well.

But the Middle East, sigh, they ARE a different breed. I'm all for launching a cultural war on the entire Islamic world. We'll air drop Nintendo WII's, XBoxes, mammoth plasma TV's into their cities. We'll give them 1,000's of satellite cable stations free. No news or religious programming, mind you. We'll block all of that. I'm talking The Food Network, The Golf Channel, Playboy, Spice, MTV, Cartoon Network, and all 12 versions of HBO. The US gov will subsidizes the expansion of franchise restaurants, like Panera, Applebee's, and Outback Steaks, in addition to cheap Chinese buffets and bowling alleys across Syria, Iraq, Iran, and Indochina.

We'll give out Fritos and Bubble Tape, tickets to Disney, and take em to strip bars.

They'll be fat, lazy, and unmotivated in no time. :)
 
75th said:
The moneys not ours, so ideally we would have spent it on nothing.

People keep talking about all the money were gonna save if we pull out and people (Obama) have all these idea of what to do with it which really makes no sense.

If your income was $1,000 a month, yet you were spending $30,000 a month on your credit card, would it really make a difference if your spending decreased to $29,500?

No, it wouldnt. For some reason people don't understand that this is exactly the situation were in.

Instead of accumulating debt you would not accumulate debt...
Credit card companies call that cash advance. You can spend credit as real $$$$ and the balance comes from available credit....
I guess I don't see how it's any different

The main difference is that your spending your money instead of someone elses
 
gjohnson5 said:
Instead of accumulating debt you would not accumulate debt...
Credit card companies call that cash advance. You can spend credit as real $$$$ and the balance comes from available credit....
I guess I don't see how it's any different

The main difference is that your spending your money instead of someone elses

You would accumulate less debt, but you would still be $29,500 in the red every month. It doesn't really improve your situation in practical terms.

The funny thing about Obama is he wants to take that $500 per month that you "save" and spend it on something else he can't afford.
 
75th said:
You would accumulate less debt, but you would still be $29,500 in the red every month. It doesn't really improve your situation in practical terms.

The funny thing about Obama is he wants to take that $500 per month that you "save" and spend it on something else he can't afford.

Yes I absolutely positively agree
In any practical sense spending $29,500 or $30,00 a month while already in debt will make no difference. The issue for me is spending money in debt after a certain point of debt is reached. At some point you have to quit like a hard night of drinking. Macro economics people say deficit spending is a good thing. IMHO this experience should teach that this is not blanket truth
 
gjohnson5 said:
Macro economics people say deficit spending is a good thing.

Only a pure Keynesian would say such a thing. Few people like that exist.
 
calveless wonder said:
it'd be pretty funny if we just pulled out now and said "ok, your problem" and the militants just overran the city.

of course that'd never happen because of all that's been invested, but lets see those fucks deal with the threat on their own

So basically we want a safe stable Iraq now, where their security forces control the country.

Funny, I thought they already had that.

Oh well! Stupid voting idiots of this country fell for that wmd bullshit, and here we are in 2008 ready to give up. And now you're paying for it at the pump cuz of a weak dollar brought upon by debt caused by this failed war. ha! ha!

We leave, another Saddam is made, and we have accomplished NOTHING. We stay, still accomplish NOTHING and continue with rising oil prices and falling dollar.

Well done America. Let's go to Iran too and get our asses kicked and enjoy $9/gallon oil prices. Woo Hoo.

r
 
AAP said:
actually that could be the solution. there isn't a country out there that appreciates or can embrace democracy unless they have fought for it themselves.

why should they die for a gift of democracy they don't even half ass act like they want? oh they said they did in the beginning, but what they really wanted was nothing but a power change so they could run the country themselves.

give them a year, they'll be pulling the same shit as saddam was.

They dont want democracy so I'd just get the fuck outta there and let them deal with their own problems.

Btw Saddam was doing a great job. He knew how to keep all these crazy fuckers quiet.
 
manny78 said:
They dont want democracy so I'd just get the fuck outta there and let them deal with their own problems.

Btw Saddam was doing a great job. He knew how to keep all these crazy fuckers quiet.
agreed
if he would've been a little smarter about it he'd still be in power
but he got napoleon-esque dreams of ruling the middle east and wiping out the joos
 
Bino said:
agreed
if he would've been a little smarter about it he'd still be in power
but he got napoleon-esque dreams of ruling the middle east and wiping out the joos

The middle east has armies. They can fight Iraq themselves. And they can pay us for it. They are free to buy our weapons too (hint hint).

The reason to go into iraq (sold to stupid fat americans) was "a threat to our safety", ie: wmds. You can't get a war approved in Congress, unless people think THEIR LIVES are in danger.

And it never was.

So 4,000 us lives, hundreds of thousands of iraqi lives, $1T, a dollar that's going into the toilet, and an INCREASE in us hatred - all a great byproduct of a fabulous vote in 2004. Now everyone's scrambling to figure out how to end this clusterfuck. Well done in front of the world.

r
 
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