Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below evidently the fbi and dea have compiled a list of everyone who has bought IP products online, and with this list they are investigating every person who bought or made the transactions to the IP internet addy! Some could probably care less, but I just wish these law enforcement bodies would spend more time busting the real criminals, and not some personal amount test user who is doing nothing but going to the gym and eating his food and protein supplements!!!
IP online ordering/investigation
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Johnny Cut
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where did u get this info from......just curious
Johnny Cut said:
Where did you get this information? Did it impact you?
I mean they really cant do shit to the guy over in china who is or was running the so-called company, but since roids and meds need a prescription now in most places over there, maybe they can levy some sanctions on him, now in asia HOng Kong is the only place you can get roids with no hassle, everywhere else has gone to an illegal system regarding roids, I think they just want leads to the big-time sellers and dealers who have been ordering mass amounts and selling and making a huge profit, for next to nothing!! IF they bust personal users I think that would be a sad case, we're about to engage in war and busting a personal user is just absolutely an unfair thing to do, NOw if a person was selling thousands of dollars of supplements a month then I could see for a reason to build a case, but personal users need to be protected by a law or some kind of legislation, that personal use in private areas such as homes should be allowed!! Alot of these busts are in wake of a operation by the fbi and dea known as "Operation X" which is a ploy of asa hutchinson and the dea to stop the extacy trade in the US, importation, lab cooking, and distribution of the party drug, and alot of roid dealers push coke and extacy also, that is the link where roid users are getting caught up, the tie in with extacy!!
CN1 said:
With all due respect, this does not make sense to me. You cannot buy IP products on line.
I understand and accept the possibilty that email can be traced back to it's source but it would take the cooperation of all of the user's IP providers and that would be alot of work.
All the more reason for everyone, both sides, to use secure mail.
Also, why would the FBI be involved in this? That is not their charter?
CN1 said:
Geeze, I wish sources would just stop screwing around with REC DRUGS!!! It just is ruining it for us!!! We are all about diet, training and health.... Dam it, this pisses me off!!!
CN1 said:
Okay, I understand. Email IP routes where what they prob used. That takes the cooperation of each indiv's ISP. It is quite a bit of work on a large scale.
Again, even more reason to use secure mail.
and see alot of roid dealers dont even workout they sell an array of illegal substances, and this Operation X taskforce is turning over any leaf or lead they can to stop the X trade, I knew of one bust that they seized 250,000 extacy tablets from these two guys, that was earlier this year, the Operation X drug taskforce is running the 0peration until january of 2004, so any illegal substance transactions done online or at anytime in the next year there will be a heightened risk for legal reprecussions, in the last 10 years the government has spent 28 Billion dollars on the fight against drugs, Its sad to see our government will never change their policy, you think after exausting 28 Billion dollars to fight drugs they would stop the madness!!
Skullfucked
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He only has an autoresponder/email address not a website.CN1 said:
And the idea that someone gave you of EVERYONE being investigated is embellishment to say the least. Honestly,they know who he is but they dont have the time to investigate even a fraction of his customers let alone everyone.
Still on the customers end its no reason to sloppy.
Roidaholic
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bump for more info, if there is any
Re: Re: IP online ordering/investigation
Excellent point! Clean out your houses when you are expecting. Good post CN1 - thanks.
Skullfucked said:
Excellent point! Clean out your houses when you are expecting. Good post CN1 - thanks.
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Frackal
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I genuinely have never ordered from IP but I have to say this sounds a little far fetched to me....where did this pro bb get his information
McBane said:
I agree, the work involved with tracking email is not rocket science but would take a lot of work - Considering the volume, it would be a considerable effort. On a one or two email volume it is do-able but to track all of them is a different story.
It a plausible that competition currently springing up might benefit from a rumor of this type,
Enigmaxxx7
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CN1 said:
You win the award for biggest run-on sentence today.
This all sounds like heresay and bullshit.
Originally posted by Serge
Nevermind. I agree. It must be true.
sounds like BS to me but let's assume for a minute its true:
- DEA and FBI are simply making your life easier by keeping dirty gear out of your reach. At least if IP could provide proof of his lab and procedures. That's the difference between him and Organon for example. One is brewing his stuff in a bathtub the other has a hi-tech facility...
- Yes the US CAN do shit on his case. US and China have a very good business relation lately and one might try to make the other happy in order to keep the love story going on.
- DEA and FBI are simply making your life easier by keeping dirty gear out of your reach. At least if IP could provide proof of his lab and procedures. That's the difference between him and Organon for example. One is brewing his stuff in a bathtub the other has a hi-tech facility...
- Yes the US CAN do shit on his case. US and China have a very good business relation lately and one might try to make the other happy in order to keep the love story going on.
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Frackal
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and that are idiots
This story is absolute bullshit!! If they could do anything, they would send a list me thread to IP, then contact his remailers to purchase and bust them. Probably busting some 2nd level suppliers that the remailers name in order to reduce sentencing. Very simple, very fast.
Gateway said:
I don't get what you meant by:
They would send you a list? Not being a smart a$$, I really don't get you.
What I meant, and should have said in the first place, is they would just email IP for a list. Just like any of us do. Then they would grab all the remailer info from that.
Their IP addresses would be the ones they would try to find. However, I am sure they are all working through one hell of a proxy server system.
Their IP addresses would be the ones they would try to find. However, I am sure they are all working through one hell of a proxy server system.
Gateway said:
Yep, it is not hard to do. Even with a proxy server(s) it can be traced. Anon servers, if in the US, can be "searched" with a warrent. ISP's can be served a search warrent. I know this for a fact. If you want to find out you can. Even an average person can find out a lot just from an email header. Not rocket science.
Metal Gear
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This is croak of shit. When they bust dealers, they try to get the people above them not the little people below them. Belive me on this one. I've been on that boat a few times, (not for roids). Goverment doesn't spend the money to bust on personal users or smal timmers, especially when it's an operation to sweep a certain drug. They only go after big people. They might tell you all this shit about what tey are going to do, but that's to scare your surroundings. Just a fucken raid costs thousands of dollars and man hours to do. I should know, I've had the pleasure of been raided 4 times in the past 4 years, so whoever this dude is that told you this shit, is full of it. How in the fuck would he know what the feds are doing? Did he sit and have a conversation with them? Or did he get busted and rated on others and they told him what he wanted to hear?
If he is basing this on the fact that they mgiht have taken the guys computer, well that's a normal thing. They'll take whatever they want when they raid you. They are looking for increminating evidence to get a conviction, not go after the small people bro.
If he is basing this on the fact that they mgiht have taken the guys computer, well that's a normal thing. They'll take whatever they want when they raid you. They are looking for increminating evidence to get a conviction, not go after the small people bro.
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I never said it was absolutely true, all I was doing was passing on some information I recieved at the gym, maybe what he was trying to say is they are trying to trace the people here in
los angeles that have purchased mass amounts and are supplying the substance in a high volume to communities in california and throughout the united states, its always better to have some information, than none, all I was trying to do was inform the board a bit so members can take the option to exercise caution when purchasing anything!!! Better to be safe than sorry!!!!
los angeles that have purchased mass amounts and are supplying the substance in a high volume to communities in california and throughout the united states, its always better to have some information, than none, all I was trying to do was inform the board a bit so members can take the option to exercise caution when purchasing anything!!! Better to be safe than sorry!!!!
Metal Gear
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CN1 said:
Ok, now that sounds more like it. I sounds a bit more believable then, "they are going after everyone who bought stuff from the site"
CN1 said:
Better safe then sorry is right. Thanks for the info bro.
CN1 said:
Tell the guy in the gym to stop worrying.....the FBI and DEA wouldn't waist their time trying to track down and prosiscute any one of the hundreds of thousands of customers that ip has had in the past....The only people that would ever need to worry are his re-mailers and sources that sell his products.
Someone needs to do research
Someone needs to do some more research before they place there hands on the keyboard and start typing? I think my cat could type a better story. That would be a waste of a government agencies time he probably gets thousands of requests per month and 1/2 probably don't ever order from him.
So allot of dead ends.
I'm sure customs and the DEA know all about him.
Thats why he's in communist China nice and safe.
He has to have great connections and protection in China. This is a place they will execute you for drug crimes.
Someone needs to do some more research before they place there hands on the keyboard and start typing? I think my cat could type a better story. That would be a waste of a government agencies time he probably gets thousands of requests per month and 1/2 probably don't ever order from him.
So allot of dead ends.
I'm sure customs and the DEA know all about him.
Thats why he's in communist China nice and safe.
He has to have great connections and protection in China. This is a place they will execute you for drug crimes.
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if were like that would you send your money
lmao
if were like that would you send your money
tbro said:
I kept expecting to read: "Me love you long time."
Metal Gear
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Alpine said:
You bet your ass! Still going to court for some of the shit. Not to mention the hard time I've done.
There are people who panic and put shit like this on the board that pisses me off. Better safe then sorry? Well spreading rumours is no the way to go about it. Espcially when it doesn't concern anyone on this board. The dealers who bought from IP they know when their guy went down so they don't need a heads up bro. Believe me, if your main dude is busted you find out right away, and it aint through posts on the net.
Skullfucked
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Re: Someone needs to do research
This is not to be condescending but what the hell are all of these manufacturing plants there making?I'll tell you what they are copying almost EVERY MEDICATION ON THE MARKET TODAY-including AAS( including AAS powders in mind boggling amounts),antibiotics,and cancer medications . These are all legit, licensed businesses. The andro in your local GNC likely has come from there as well.
If they were doing something illegal or shady they'd be in jail or whacked. Plain and simple.
Twippy you don't have any idea at all as to what the laws are there (other than narcotic traffickers are dealt with severely).twippy23 said:
This is not to be condescending but what the hell are all of these manufacturing plants there making?I'll tell you what they are copying almost EVERY MEDICATION ON THE MARKET TODAY-including AAS( including AAS powders in mind boggling amounts),antibiotics,and cancer medications . These are all legit, licensed businesses. The andro in your local GNC likely has come from there as well.
If they were doing something illegal or shady they'd be in jail or whacked. Plain and simple.
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Juice Authority
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CN1 and His Paranoia
CN1...You and your DEA Bullshit is getting old. Don't you have anything better to do with your time other than being an alarmist? Why don't you go jack off or something.
CN1...You and your DEA Bullshit is getting old. Don't you have anything better to do with your time other than being an alarmist? Why don't you go jack off or something.
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Juice Authority
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CN1 said:
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BayRidgeNY
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Just figured I should post some general facts about IP tracing and Email Encryption.
I have been in the high tech business for a while and provide high tech surveillance and computer forensic services for corporations. I do not work for any Government agencies.
A few important facts that I think many here do not know.
1) IP address is like caller ID, those companies that offer services where you use their IP address to go to a site are like you calling a friend and asking him to call someone for you, so no your caller ID wont show up but his will and threw that they will get to you.
Don’t believe for one second that those middle IP companies do not store information on what IP used their IP at a certain date and time, government agencies fill out a simple form and because the technical mumbo jumbo most judges that need to sign those warrants sign it in a heartbeat and they got access to entire email servers and IP networks.
2) Email encryption, I know many here don’t want to hear this but it is really worthless. When the feds want to monitor an email account or entire computer in most cases they will obtain a “FISA Warrant” (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) this can be installed remotely or fiscally at the PC location.
Regardless it will report “Key Logging” activity plus “Screen Capture” meaning that if you use a “Email Encryption” tool the key logger will still report what you typed, and even if you don’t have the Key Logger on your PC but the person you send it to does, the Screen Capture will forward an actual image of what was displayed on the screen.
The fact that it came from a made up email address does not mean anything because again it is all linked to your IP in one step or in 2 steps.
Unlike tapping a telephone where most of the equipment is located in the Phone Companies Central Office or on the nearest telephone box, most computer monitoring devices are stored on your PC.
Eventually it will be located at the ISP’s making email encryption more useful because in route the email in all scrambled.
You also have to remember that the DA in almost any decent size county has tons of cases they are working on, in most cases they wont go after just a guy who buys it for himself.
Unless they are working to build a RICO case they will get to the smaller guys by hook or by crook to build a large witness base.
I have been in the high tech business for a while and provide high tech surveillance and computer forensic services for corporations. I do not work for any Government agencies.
A few important facts that I think many here do not know.
1) IP address is like caller ID, those companies that offer services where you use their IP address to go to a site are like you calling a friend and asking him to call someone for you, so no your caller ID wont show up but his will and threw that they will get to you.
Don’t believe for one second that those middle IP companies do not store information on what IP used their IP at a certain date and time, government agencies fill out a simple form and because the technical mumbo jumbo most judges that need to sign those warrants sign it in a heartbeat and they got access to entire email servers and IP networks.
2) Email encryption, I know many here don’t want to hear this but it is really worthless. When the feds want to monitor an email account or entire computer in most cases they will obtain a “FISA Warrant” (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) this can be installed remotely or fiscally at the PC location.
Regardless it will report “Key Logging” activity plus “Screen Capture” meaning that if you use a “Email Encryption” tool the key logger will still report what you typed, and even if you don’t have the Key Logger on your PC but the person you send it to does, the Screen Capture will forward an actual image of what was displayed on the screen.
The fact that it came from a made up email address does not mean anything because again it is all linked to your IP in one step or in 2 steps.
Unlike tapping a telephone where most of the equipment is located in the Phone Companies Central Office or on the nearest telephone box, most computer monitoring devices are stored on your PC.
Eventually it will be located at the ISP’s making email encryption more useful because in route the email in all scrambled.
You also have to remember that the DA in almost any decent size county has tons of cases they are working on, in most cases they wont go after just a guy who buys it for himself.
Unless they are working to build a RICO case they will get to the smaller guys by hook or by crook to build a large witness base.
BayRidgeNY
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Re: encryption,
as long as you typed it OR someone is viewing it yes.
Even private tools that are available to the public like Spectorsoft.com and http://www.4hiddenspycameras.com/memkeystrok.html will report everything and trust me what the govmt. and whats available to the pro. market is 100 times better
cgtnaeb said:
as long as you typed it OR someone is viewing it yes.
Even private tools that are available to the public like Spectorsoft.com and http://www.4hiddenspycameras.com/memkeystrok.html will report everything and trust me what the govmt. and whats available to the pro. market is 100 times better
plornive
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Re: Re: Someone needs to do research
Most of the manufacturing facilities are probably legitimate. Also, synthetic hormones are not illegal in China.
All parties involved probably have deniablity regarding the end sale of the drugs. Companies, local authorities, etc. There is probably a network of deniablity that frustrates anyone who seeks to shut IP down. That is how things work in China. As an example, some US companies get deniability that their Chinese factories have horrible conditions by sending a few execs there for a week, while factory managers scramble to make conditions temporarily acceptable.
I bet remailers are the targets, although IP will just find another way.
This is true.Skullfucked said:
Most of the manufacturing facilities are probably legitimate. Also, synthetic hormones are not illegal in China.
All parties involved probably have deniablity regarding the end sale of the drugs. Companies, local authorities, etc. There is probably a network of deniablity that frustrates anyone who seeks to shut IP down. That is how things work in China. As an example, some US companies get deniability that their Chinese factories have horrible conditions by sending a few execs there for a week, while factory managers scramble to make conditions temporarily acceptable.
I bet remailers are the targets, although IP will just find another way.
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BayRidgeNY said:
Based on what you said, it still seems to me that if both sender and recipient are using a web-based encrypted email on a public computer (e.g, at a library), there would not be a way to monitor that unless the gov. has preemptively installed key logger and screen capture software on every public computer. I get your point that if the gov really wants to know what you are doing, they will find out no matter what, but we have to work with what we have, and for bros who want to be as save as possible, does the above make sense?
BayRidgeNY
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cyp said:
Many dont know but part of the new patriot act bill the govt. monitors many library computers. But they have certain filters they use to flag different research and text sent and I dont think any of the filters has anything to do with AS etc.
If you are using an email program like yahoo to send email and your friend is using that too or even you are using hush etc. you have to make sure never to login from anywhere other then the library, because a server side log is created everytime you log onto a site that shows the IP used.
I hope the first dudes that get popped are the dicks that, despite being asked otherwise, kept talking about IP on open boards, gave away his email contact info all too quickly, and placed everyone at risk.
Thanks kiddies! Oh - whats that knock at your door ..... ???
LOL
Thanks kiddies! Oh - whats that knock at your door ..... ???
LOL
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Well, I don't know shit about IP, but I do know this. Quite some time ago CN1 posted that fake Serostim GH kits were circulating, and after catching some shit from the board, I seem to recall that he even mentioned the lot#'s. Sometime later, Serono and the FDA put out news releases admitting this. CN1's "tip" was from his gym friends, I think. He sure as hell was right on that one.
And Riker29, I couldn't agree more.
And Riker29, I couldn't agree more.
Yes when the server is located within the united states and you have a warrant and federal subpeona it is quite easy - assuming the system keeps logs in the first place. As far as extracting logs from a router or switch, forget it - there is imply too much info generated too quickly so these are frequently discarded. The biggest point alot of you guys seem to misunderstand is that there is a tremendous (nearly impossible) burden in handing a subpeona over to an operator of a proxy/isp in nation which is not bound by extradition treaty to the united states. Basically, there is absolutely no incentive whatsoever for the admin to comply, it is just a waste of his time. This is why computer crackers typically hop around the globe through remote computers - the more jurisdictions their packets transverse, the more impossible it becomes to ever trace them back.
BayRidgeNY: You make some good points, but nearly every potential problem you mention can be addressed adequately by someone with only mediocre computer skills. First and foremost, employ an encyrpted proxy to hide the content of your packets from your isp. If the man is listening, most likely the carnivore box is at your isp. Secondly employ an encrypted webmail account from either hushmail or cyber-rights and never, never, never open any attachment sent to you by anybody.
If you are truly intrested in good computer hygiene, then ditch windows. Every lame attempt by the feds to implant key-logging worms on your computer is based on the assumption that the target is running some flavor of windows. Since PGP and similar clones have become so widespread, the feds are really desparate, since they cannot crack your public key, they have to attempt to recover your pass phrase by attempting to place a key logging trojan on your computer. Again if you simply ignore all email attachments you'd normally be safe. It seems now however, the feds now may legally break into your house and attempt to place software of your machine without you knowing (and with very little oversight from the judcial branch). If they see your computer is running a securely configured linux or bsd distribution, they're fucked.
Lift Chief
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This thread has made me realize i don't know jack shit about internet security 
Lift Chief
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I downloaded a multiproxy and an ssh accession thing for free from some websites i got on that steroidology post. Will these things actually do something?
Re: Re: IP online ordering/investigation
Just curious, how did you find out your account was "under investigation"? Did you lose access to the account or were you simply warned by evocash? Also I though evocash was off shore and therefor not really accessible by the US gov. Any info appreciated.plornive said:
BayRidgeNY
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icelandic said:
If you use AOL (even if you don't use their email) a key logger can be installed without you downloading anything, and its not just a logger it grabs screenshots and can easily forward files etc. Same goes with other ISP's that have you download apps. There are other ways they can have it on your machine without entering your home, just to many to list.
The same people who fall for these secret email programs fall for those programs that claim they will erase all your data off your hard-drive and fall for the $199 debugging machine.
The good old way of face to face and dealing with people you know and have a track record is best, and even then chances are there is a wire somewhere laying around.
[Q]I downloaded a multiproxy and an ssh accession thing for free from some websites i got on that steroidology post. Will these things actually do something?[Q/]
If you mean www.anonymizer.com, no they are not nearly as anonymous as they claim to be - they keep logs for several months and are affilated with a major defense sub-contractor, I'm very wary of their 'services'. Secondly, don't place too much trust in any free anonymity service, remember bandwidth costs money.
Multiproxy works by 'bouncing' your packets through a series of open http proxies (ports 1080 or 8080). This can help to mask your ip address, but as mentioned numerous times, the real threat is located at your isp - the feds have computers which filter packets lookig for keyword or even certain email addresses. As long as your outgoing packet streams are transmitted in the clear, they can read everything you send and see everywhere you visit. This is why encryption is so vital in today's post 9/11 suveillance state.
Just in case anyone mentions freedom.net, up until october of 2001, this company ran the most airtight and state-of-the-art anonymity network in the public world. They killed this service shortly after the 9/11 tragedy citing 'lack of profitabilty'. The orignal service was constructed in such a way so that even they could not decrypt and trace packets back to their point of origin. The service they offer today is not anonymous!!! If you read the fine print, it clearly says that they keep logs and will make those logs available to law enforcement when deemed nessecary.
If you mean www.anonymizer.com, no they are not nearly as anonymous as they claim to be - they keep logs for several months and are affilated with a major defense sub-contractor, I'm very wary of their 'services'. Secondly, don't place too much trust in any free anonymity service, remember bandwidth costs money.
Multiproxy works by 'bouncing' your packets through a series of open http proxies (ports 1080 or 8080). This can help to mask your ip address, but as mentioned numerous times, the real threat is located at your isp - the feds have computers which filter packets lookig for keyword or even certain email addresses. As long as your outgoing packet streams are transmitted in the clear, they can read everything you send and see everywhere you visit. This is why encryption is so vital in today's post 9/11 suveillance state.
Just in case anyone mentions freedom.net, up until october of 2001, this company ran the most airtight and state-of-the-art anonymity network in the public world. They killed this service shortly after the 9/11 tragedy citing 'lack of profitabilty'. The orignal service was constructed in such a way so that even they could not decrypt and trace packets back to their point of origin. The service they offer today is not anonymous!!! If you read the fine print, it clearly says that they keep logs and will make those logs available to law enforcement when deemed nessecary.
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plornive
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Re: Re: Re: IP online ordering/investigation
When one enters an incorrect password, I think red letters appear somewhere in the refreshed login screen. In this case, the letters say something like "Account is currently UNDER INVESTIGATION" (*they* put it in caps). I emailed them and they said the investigation might take a while and mentioned a few other evocash account numbers (neither of which are of any sources I know of).
The only two reasons I can think of are my IP and sent/received emails. I don't think my IP would tell them anything useful, so I assume they sniffed some emails between me and a source. Before I emailed IP, my Evocash account was fine. Within two weeks of emailing IP and not any other sources, my Evocash account was under investigation. Kind of makes me nervous, even though I am not under jurisdiction of US laws.
I suddenly couldn't log in.Zyglamail said:
When one enters an incorrect password, I think red letters appear somewhere in the refreshed login screen. In this case, the letters say something like "Account is currently UNDER INVESTIGATION" (*they* put it in caps). I emailed them and they said the investigation might take a while and mentioned a few other evocash account numbers (neither of which are of any sources I know of).
The only two reasons I can think of are my IP and sent/received emails. I don't think my IP would tell them anything useful, so I assume they sniffed some emails between me and a source. Before I emailed IP, my Evocash account was fine. Within two weeks of emailing IP and not any other sources, my Evocash account was under investigation. Kind of makes me nervous, even though I am not under jurisdiction of US laws.
J
Juice Authority
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Re: What bullshit
I couldn't agree with you more!!! The guy who started this thread, CNI, is a complete MORON! He's been preaching this FBI/DEA bullshit on a lot of other threads too. It gets old after awhile.
Bill2k said:
I couldn't agree with you more!!! The guy who started this thread, CNI, is a complete MORON! He's been preaching this FBI/DEA bullshit on a lot of other threads too. It gets old after awhile.
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