i know that ip can be shady sometimes and some people get bad reactions to his gear when they take it, but really guys think about it.....a lot of people on this board are suppliers and sources and what are they about? they are about making money, and its a lot harder to make money on a 50mg winny or a 50mg dbol tab than it is a 5 or a 10mg tab, so eventhough a lot of people are genuine about their complaints and rightfully should alert people about the dangers of dealing with underground labs, there are probably a lot more guys on this board making half the crap up and never actually experienced any problems that a few have gotten to scare people away just to make a buck.(now watch, here come the flamers.) i think that u guys are the bunch of little girl cheerleaders that gossop about his crap, u all spread rumors about it like a bunch of little girls. heck, y would u spend so much of your free time talking on this board about how crapy his stuff is. if u got a personal experience with it then say it, but don't carry on like a bunch of little girls. i know a lot of people that have gotten irritation from mexican gear, and Brovel underdoses all the time on their gear, but i don't hear u complaining or thrashing that, Y? because it is cheap and many can make good money selling the stuff. its all about money. even if IP was the best gear ever, nothing would change and the same guys that are bashing his stuff now would still continue to bash it. u guys got it all backwards, ip supporters are not the cheer leaders....you are the ones that come out of the woodwork that bash his stuff. Let me say it again ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY!!!