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[Iron Camel]

I just wanted to say hello to everyone. I'm new here and have been lurking for a couple days and reading every post I can. I've found tons of great info here. I'm currently 24 5'11" 195 (don't know BF% but I still have a little pudge after losing 115 lbs). I was looking at my first cycle to be something like:

Week 1 Clenbuterol 60mcg day / deca 200mg
Week 2 Clenbuterol 80mcg day / deca 200mg
Week 3 Clenbuterol 100mcg day / deca 300mg
Week 4 Cytomel 50mcg day / deca 400mg
Week 5 Cytomel 50mcg day / deca 400mg
Week 6 Cytomel 100mcg day / deca 300mg
Week 7 Cytomel 100mcg day / Clenbuterol 60mcg day / deca 200
Week 8 Clenbuterol 80mcg day / deca 200mg
Week 9 Clenbuterol 100mcg day

Any opinions or advice? Should I use anything else like maybe Clomid or add some winny? Thanks for any help.

 

[Ttokkyo Jack]

Looks pretty solid. I would frontload the deca though since it takes a long time to kick in and clear your system. Maybe think about adding just a little test to help with your johnson, but those doses of deca probably wont affect your wood at all. I would definitely do clomid post cycle, for some deca can be pretty suppressive. Otherwise looks like a pretty good cutting cycle.

 

[Iron Camel]

type of test

any advice on what test to use and what amount??

 

[Ttokkyo Jack]

Any kind of test, but I would say go with enthanate or sust, since you are also using deca which is also a long acting esther. As for the amount, I would use about the same amount of test as the amount of deca that you are using.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Re: type of test

any advice on what test to use and what amount??

First off, I see no need to pyramid the Deca like that, go with 400mg/week for 8 weeks as a straight dose. As for the Test, I think 200-250mg/week of Enanthate or Cyp would be a good addition and keep your sex drive up while on Deca which can(even in that dose) shut you down pretty hard. As for the Clen, I would alternate between that and E/C/A every 2 weeks through out your cycle and with the Cytomel you want to taper up faster and down slower, don't just hit 100mcg and drop it. go something like this (25 day cycle using 25mcg tabs)
111 222 333 4444 3333 2222 1111 starting week 4. Clomid 3 weeks after your last shot of Deca. Combined with a good diet and training I imagine you will be able to shed some good body fat while adding a couple lbs of lbm, Keep us posted

M18

 

[Iron Camel]

What advantage would there be to using ethanate instead of Sustanon?


Why cycle between the clen and ECA stack?


Should I wait until the 12th week for the Clomid or would it be better to use it throughout the cycle?


Thanks for the info.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

What advantage would there be to using ethanate instead of Sustanon?


Why cycle between the clen and ECA stack?


Should I wait until the 12th week for the Clomid or would it be better to use it throughout the cycle?


Thanks for the info.

1. Enanthate is a single ester Test where as Sust has 4 esters with diffrent half lives so it's harder to keep a steady blood level with the Sust. Most belive that with a single ester Test such as Enanthate or Cyp that you can keep steady blood levels through out which leads to better gains, although I don't think it'll mak to much of a diffrence.
2. Your body can build a tolerance to them so you alternate between the 2 as they hit diffrent receptors
3. Start the Clomid 3 weeks after your last shot of Deca. Clomid through out serves no purpose other then a mild anti-e

M18

 

[Iron Camel]

Thanks for all of your help Mustang. I think I'll go with Ethenate, I don't think I'll have to sweat side-effects with a 250mg/wk dosage.

Do you have an ECA stack you prefer?

Any brands I should avoid for any of the gear I'm going to be using?

How long should I continue to use Clomid (what dosage?) and do I taper it's use toward the end? I've found conflicting information.

Your opinion is greatly appreciated.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Any E/C/A will do. I prefer Adipokinetix by Syntrax but it's hard to get now. Go for NYC+ You can buy it at the AF store www.anabolicfitness.net
Start your Clomid 3 weeks after your last shot of Deca. Use 300mg/Day for the first day of use then take 100mg/Day for the next 10 days and 50mg/Day for the last 10 days

M18

 

[Iron Camel]

dude your the shit. I'm naming my first born after you. Of course I'll have to run it by my girlfriend but I'm sure she'll be cool about it.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

dude your the shit. I'm naming my first born after you. Of course I'll have to run it by my girlfriend but I'm sure she'll be cool about it.

LOL...thanks buddy You need anything just holla

M18

 

[Ttokkyo Jack]

I would reccomend that you end the deca a couple of weeks before you end the test, because the deca takes a little longer to recover from.