Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I train 4 days a week and I'm off on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. I want to drop a few pounds but not go crazy with the T3. Would it make sense to take T3 only on the off days? I want to keep the fire burning on the days I am not as active but also reduce or eliminate any thyroid shutdown. My schedule doesn't permit me to do any additional cardio on the off days and I just want to drop about 10-15 lbs in about two months. Is T3 fast acting enough that it will immediately rev up your metabolism? Because it's never taken on consecutive days will there be any shutdown? I'm thinking of only taking about 25mcg on the off days.
Intermittent T3 use
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Makavelli
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mt said:
You need to do more research. You should only take T3 if your natural T3 is low due to chronic dieting, which happens around 4-6 weeks into the diet. Yes, T3 is very fast acting. If you're going to take it, research about how to ramp up and down safely. Use it everyday. You'll be all fucked up if you throw it in sporadically. It's safe if you know how to do it.
Makavelli said:
Yes, I see, but that's just like saying you should only take testosterone if your natural levels of test is low. The whole point of all this is pushing the envelope in pharmacological manipulation. The standard protocol for T3 usage is pretty well known. I'm trying to back off a little. Your metabolism (and thyroid output) does vary from day to day base on diet and activity. The dosage I'm contemplating is usually considered the standard beginning doses before you start ramping things up so I am not sure if I'll be all f-ed up. The danger with all drugs always seems to be in long term usage.
needtogetaas
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get some ephedren that shit works
Makavelli
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mt said:
OK bro before you get ahead of yourself realize that I have extensive experience and done extensive research on the correct application of T3 as it applies to BB. I've had a large article published in MuscleMag Int on it. So I know what I'm talking about. Whether you chose to ignore my recommendation is up to you, but any vet on here will vouch for me. It's not the same as using supraphysiological levels of test. Your test levels aren't going to move much after puberty. When adding test your goal is to increase the amount of androgens causing muscle growth that would not have happened with even high normal test levels. Contrarily when employing T3 during a cutting cycle, it's use is due to the fact that your metabolism has slowed down because of less T3. Therefore by adding T3 at this point fat loss will continue.
scriptfactory
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Umm, I don't want to step on your toes but people have been using T3 for YEARS and have achieved great results without following your guidelines. Just because you have an article published in MuscleMag International doesn't mean that you are 100% correct. I'm not saying you are wrong but do you have any studies to back up your statements?Makavelli said:
I suffer from a mild case of hypothyroidism and it is hard for me to drop weight on a low calories/low carb diet. The only things that work for me are Keto diets. In fact, I was on a high protein 1500 calorie diet and GAINED muscle when in fact I was only trying to lose weight. I went on approximately 2 months of T3 with a 2wk on/2wk off clen cycle and lost about 15kg putting me at my target weight.
Why would you suggest to only use T3 when your metabolism slows due to dieting? Do you have anything to back this up besides your own personal experiences?
Makavelli
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scriptfactory said:
OK bro, you just answered your own question! You have a SLOW METABOLISM! Of course by increasing your metabolism you'll see fat loss. That's the correct application for it. You're good to go!
I'm not being cocky, but I feel the poster was taking an unecessarily pompous stand. Being a published writer doesn't make me infallible. Far from it. It does say that some very knowledgeable people happen to value the articles I've written enough to pay me for them. That's all. Good luck, Peace!
ÐiÐi-¢rüë£
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why do u don´t try clenbuterol ???
i have took t3 and i don´t like it. My muscle was "stollen"...i lose bf but a lose muscle too....
sorry about my english !!!!
i have took t3 and i don´t like it. My muscle was "stollen"...i lose bf but a lose muscle too....
sorry about my english !!!!
ÐiÐi-¢rüë£
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Thak u.fireflyer said:
was using 500mg per week of durateston ( the same of sustanon )
ÐiÐi-¢rüë£
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i've used 250mcg/day....
nuthnbutfords
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I wouldn't recommend using t3 by itself. T3 will eat through muscle as well as fat. I'd use a nice heavy test based cycle if your going to run it to counteract the effects of the T3. And make sure the test has fully kicked in before you start the T3. Don't make the mistake starting your T3 the day you start your test(like i did w/test enanthate). At such a light does of 25mcg a day, why not just follow a strict diet? Probably get same results. I would not go above 100mcg, unless you either know exactly what your doing.
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I know i've took a high dose. i was started with 100mcg/day and was elevating it in the weeks. I really lost bf but i don´t like the final result. I lost "power" and had have problens to sleep. If u will use the t3 less a anabolic drug, forgot it...
Sorry about the english ( how can i fixed it in all my posts ^? hehehe )
Sorry about the english ( how can i fixed it in all my posts ^? hehehe )
Makavelli said:
Don't most people in BB that use T3 do it to increase metabolism beyond normal levels? In fact, that guy from Balco said in an interview that he was planning on including T3 in his drug program as they found it speeded up everything regarding the processing of carbs and protein. I've even read of T3 being used in bulking programs to aid in the processing of the huge amount of calories being taken in. Most people on T3 are on it not because they have a thyroid defiency but to make cutting easier/more efficient. A fitness competitor I know swears by it because she can eat enough to fuel her workouts and still lose weight without having to starve herself. Like taking androgens to cause muscle growth that would not have happened with normal levels, exogenous T3 allows more calories to burned that would not be burned with normal levels. Don't competitive bodybuilders routinely use T3 when cutting even though their natural levels are normal? Isn't this one of the reasons they can get so lean?
I'm not trying to argue just for the sake of arguing. I'm not getting ahead of myself because I have gone anywhere yet (in regard to T3 use). Just speculating. If T3 speeds up the metabolism which aids in the burning of fat but long term use causes a shutdown then short term use, like with steroids, will minimize this effect. Maybe even intermittent use will have very little shutdown effect. With steroids this wouldn't make sense because it takes a while for gear to kick in. If the effects of T3 is immediate perhaps I can continue burning calories I normally wouldn't burn on the days I don't train since my activity level is way down.
will b huge
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(First of all, all T4 (synthroid) gets converted to T3 (cytomel) anyways, but taking only T4 will cause severe depression. Straight T3 is better on the body, however I was completely under the impression (somewhat educated) THAT YOU MUST take T3 daily and ramp up slowly and RAMP BACK DOWN VERY SLOWLY, otherwise your body will not function or produce normally==it will shut down its production!!!!!
Please educate me if I am incorrect.....
Please educate me if I am incorrect.....
will b huge
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WILL B HUGE said:
Please refer to the below quote:
juve said:Thyroid dangers are extremely overstated, oversimplified and misleading
N Engl J Med 1975 Oct 2;293(14):681-4 Recovery of pituitary thyrotropic function after withdrawal of prolonged thyroid-suppression therapy.
Vagenakis AG, Braverman LE, Azizi F, Portinay GI, Ingbar SH
In 1951, Greer reported the pattern of recovery of thyroid function after stopping suppressive treatment with thyroid hormone in euthyroid [normal] subjects based on sequential measurements of their thyroidal uptake of radioiodine. He observed that after withdrawal of exogenous thyroid therapy, thyroid function, in terms of radioiodine uptake, returned to normal in most subjects within two weeks. He further observed that thyroid function returned as rapidly in those subjects whose glands had been depressed by several years of thyroid medication as it did in those whose gland had been depressed for only a few days
Patterns off recovery of the hypothalamic-pituitary-thyroid axis in patients taken of chronic thyroid therapy
LG Krugman, JM Hershman, IJ Chopra, GA Levine, E Pekary, DL Geffner and GN Chua Teco
To determine the patterns of recovery of the hypothalamic-pituitary- thyroid axis following long-term thyroid hormone therapy, TRH tests were performed on 8 euthyroid nongoitrous patients, 5 euthyroid goitrous patients, and 5 hypothyroid patients while they were taking full doses of thyroid hormone and 3, 7, 10, 14, 17, 21, 28, 35, 42, 49, and 56 days after stopping it. Serum TSH, T3, and T4 were measured before and at multiple intervals over a 4-h period after giving 500 mug TRH iv. In euthyroid non-goitrous patients, the mean duration of suppressed TSH response to TRH (maximum deltaTSH less than 8 muU/ml) was 12 +/- 4 (SE) days after stopping thyroid hormone and the mean time to recovery of normal TSH response to TRH (maximum deltaTSH greater than 8 muU/ml) was 16 +/- 5 days. None of the euthyroid nongoitrous patients ever hyperresponded to TRH; their average maximal deltaTSH was 24.5 +/- 2.2 muU/ml. Serum T4 fell below normal in 4 euthyroid non- goitrous patients, reaching lowest values at 4 to 28 days. While serum T4 was low, deltaTSH was subnormal. Normal increments of T4 and T3 after TRH occurred at 19 +/- 5 and 22 +/- 6 days, respectively. In the 5 goitrous patients, patterns of recovery of pituitary and thyroid function assessed by the same parameters were much less consistent. In the 5 hypothyroid patients, the mean duration of suppressed basal TSH and suppressed deltaTSH was 13 +/- 3 days; mean time to attain a supranormal basal TSH (greater than 8 muU/ml) was 16 +/- 4 days and to reach a supranormal deltaTSH (greater than 38 muU/ml) after TRH was 29 +/- 8 days. Following prolonged thyroid therapy in euthyroid patients, recovery of normal TSH responsiveness to TRH preceded recovery of the normal T3 and T4 response to TRH by 3 to 6 days. Basal serum TSH may be used to differentiate euthyroid from hypothyroid patients 35 days after withdrawal of thyroid therapy; the response to TRH does not improve this differentiation.
Jenetic
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Jenetic said:
So in laymen terms is this saying that the whole shut down thing is unlikely to happen and that recovery of normal T3 levels will take place quickly? What is a safe and effective cycle to use? I've read it's the start with half a pill and increase by half a pill every 3 days until you get to three for three days then ramp back down the same. Is that the only safe way to do it? Are they talking about 25mcg pills or the 50mcg pills?
A little more info please Jenetic - I know you know this stuff.
