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I just got a copy of my monthly blood test results in the mail. Yes, I said monthly. I'm on HRT and everytime I go to renew my script I get a blood test. It's covered by my plan -- even hormone tests which tend to cost a fortune -- so I figure, why not? It's good to clean out a little old blood anyway and although doing it monthly may seem excessive, it gives me a chance to do some testing, first hand.
It wasn't until last month that I realized I never tested for estrodiol, so I decided to try an experiement:
I didn't take any anti-e's all month. Now when I say anti-e's I'm refering mostly to natural stuff. I found chrysin and calcium D glucarate work best for me. On occasion, I'll do a little proviron if I feel too "estro-gy."
I don't like DIM and 13 carbinol for the simple fact that they are mild estrogens which , in some cases may occupy estrogen receptor sites, therefore preventing estrogen from binding. If you think about it, that's very similar to what Clomid does, and not suprisingly, they the same effect as Clomid on me -- they seem to INCREASE the effects of estrogen. Maybe I can't convert it and my body just recognizes it as more estrogen, which is what happens to a lot of people when using Clomid. It's very hit or mis. So maybe if Clomid works for you, DIM and 13carbinol might be worth a try. At any rate, it's chrysin and calcium d glucarate for me.
So getting back to the blood test. Last month my estro was a bit high -- 38 ngs. Normal for men is 10 - 40 ngs. Honestly, it was barely noticable. No sides at all. Besides, I'd rather have it a litle high than too low, because a level lower than 10 will sevrely affect libido. Anyway, this month I went on my daily anti- e routine which is 500 mgs of chrysin with 10 mgs of biotene alternating days with 100mgs of CDG.
My estrogen came back at 27.
Okay, there are few things to consider here:
First, levels of just about anything on a blood test flucuate day to day. Secondly, this is just one person, one time, so a 100% conclusion can not be made. Nevertheless, I think 11 points is pretty good. And I do look a little tighter.
Now, if you're doing a gram of test a week, will the same amount bring you down to around 27 ngs? Doubt it. If you already have low e, will it bring it down even further? I have no idea. My guess is probably not much, since according to research studies, (for what they're worth) CDG only removes EXCESS estrogen. (How it knows what's excess and what isn't, I'm really ot sure). But supplements and nutrients do tend to find the natural cut off point, much like excess vitamins get excreted in the urine, whereas a drug will force the body beyond what it's capable on its own.
This just goes to show, even somthing as simple as my comparison, to be be completely accurate, would require multiple tests with multiple people performed multiple times under multiple situations. And there simply isn't any funding for anything like that. So for now, this is the best we can do. But it's better than nothing, and better than guessing, and I'm pleased with the results.
Next month. I'm going to try the new ergo-pharm 6-OXO. I'm a little hesitant for a few reasons. One: There's been no testing on this stuff outside the company who makes it. Two: Mr. Arnolds track record for effective supps is less than steller. And three: It's expensive as hell. Still, I'd be curious how it rates. Blood tests don't lie. But supplement companies do. If it passes the test, I'll say so. If it sucks. I'll say so.
I just got a copy of my monthly blood test results in the mail. Yes, I said monthly. I'm on HRT and everytime I go to renew my script I get a blood test. It's covered by my plan -- even hormone tests which tend to cost a fortune -- so I figure, why not? It's good to clean out a little old blood anyway and although doing it monthly may seem excessive, it gives me a chance to do some testing, first hand.
It wasn't until last month that I realized I never tested for estrodiol, so I decided to try an experiement:
I didn't take any anti-e's all month. Now when I say anti-e's I'm refering mostly to natural stuff. I found chrysin and calcium D glucarate work best for me. On occasion, I'll do a little proviron if I feel too "estro-gy."
I don't like DIM and 13 carbinol for the simple fact that they are mild estrogens which , in some cases may occupy estrogen receptor sites, therefore preventing estrogen from binding. If you think about it, that's very similar to what Clomid does, and not suprisingly, they the same effect as Clomid on me -- they seem to INCREASE the effects of estrogen. Maybe I can't convert it and my body just recognizes it as more estrogen, which is what happens to a lot of people when using Clomid. It's very hit or mis. So maybe if Clomid works for you, DIM and 13carbinol might be worth a try. At any rate, it's chrysin and calcium d glucarate for me.
So getting back to the blood test. Last month my estro was a bit high -- 38 ngs. Normal for men is 10 - 40 ngs. Honestly, it was barely noticable. No sides at all. Besides, I'd rather have it a litle high than too low, because a level lower than 10 will sevrely affect libido. Anyway, this month I went on my daily anti- e routine which is 500 mgs of chrysin with 10 mgs of biotene alternating days with 100mgs of CDG.
My estrogen came back at 27.
Okay, there are few things to consider here:
First, levels of just about anything on a blood test flucuate day to day. Secondly, this is just one person, one time, so a 100% conclusion can not be made. Nevertheless, I think 11 points is pretty good. And I do look a little tighter.
Now, if you're doing a gram of test a week, will the same amount bring you down to around 27 ngs? Doubt it. If you already have low e, will it bring it down even further? I have no idea. My guess is probably not much, since according to research studies, (for what they're worth) CDG only removes EXCESS estrogen. (How it knows what's excess and what isn't, I'm really ot sure). But supplements and nutrients do tend to find the natural cut off point, much like excess vitamins get excreted in the urine, whereas a drug will force the body beyond what it's capable on its own.
This just goes to show, even somthing as simple as my comparison, to be be completely accurate, would require multiple tests with multiple people performed multiple times under multiple situations. And there simply isn't any funding for anything like that. So for now, this is the best we can do. But it's better than nothing, and better than guessing, and I'm pleased with the results.
Next month. I'm going to try the new ergo-pharm 6-OXO. I'm a little hesitant for a few reasons. One: There's been no testing on this stuff outside the company who makes it. Two: Mr. Arnolds track record for effective supps is less than steller. And three: It's expensive as hell. Still, I'd be curious how it rates. Blood tests don't lie. But supplement companies do. If it passes the test, I'll say so. If it sucks. I'll say so.
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