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Interesting observation about HST

psychedout

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Just something I noticed. HST seems to be largely unique to this board. I post on 3-4 other boards and no one, and I mean no one does HST on any of them.

Not meant to start shit or anything, just something I noticed. Strange.
 
It's all my fault. seriously.

yeah, I don't go elsewhere much but it's like what elite was before people started branching out.

I also think that this board's powerlifting and strength training influence has been helpful in getting people to broaden their horizons
 
BBers spend an inordinate amount of time on the response side of the equation tweaking diet, supplementation, and anabolics yet for some reason they are literally decades behind on training - the stimulus side of the equation. Most BBers couldn't name a single good book on training. If it weren't for the drugs, they'd be just another guy in the gym plateaued after a year or so of training. A sad state of affairs IMO.
 
Madcow2 said:
BBers spend an inordinate amount of time on the response side of the equation tweaking diet, supplementation, and anabolics yet for some reason they are literally decades behind on training - the stimulus side of the equation. Most BBers couldn't name a single good book on training. If it weren't for the drugs, they'd be just another guy in the gym plateaued after a year or so of training. A sad state of affairs IMO.

Real intelligent statement there. :rolleyes:
 
well... look at the majority of workouts espoused on the anabolic forum, and realize it gets 5x the amount of activity as this one
 
psychedout said:
Real intelligent statement there. :rolleyes:
Yeah, that didn't come out exactly right. It's a generalization that is unfair to many individuals but go into most gyms or review most people's programs and one will find that it is applicable to the overwhelming majority.

Over the years I've asked multiple pros about their training, I've lifted in the same gyms and seen their workouts, I worked right next to one for a period of 4 months right before he earned his pro card that year and went on to have a successful career. I can honestly say that were it not for the drugs he'd be just another decently build guy running around the gym. I'm not going to take anything away from his dedication to diet and his discipline in execution and knowing his body to come to a show in condition but his knowledge of training was insufficient to coach a good high school team or grow a lifter with more than a year's experience. His PT clients went no where besides a doc who got frustrated and got himself some roids.

So, is this small population that I have some personal experience with indicative of the whole - not really but we are also talking guys at the highest levels so obviously a decent level of training knowledge is not required to compete at the top and I can't ever remember being impressed by anything any pro BBer has ever said with regards to training (look at the machine dominated programs of the 1980s for instance - shitty stimulus but take enough drugs and you can still grow).

So yeah - it's unfair to a small number of BBers (and I'd say <1% and that's likely generous) and I definitely don't want to take anything away from them and their pursuit of knowledge but the overwhelming majority of that population up through the highest levels knows a lot more about anabolics and diet than they do about training.
 
Madcow2 said:
Yeah, that didn't come out exactly right. It's a generalization that is unfair to many individuals but go into most gyms or review most people's programs and one will find that it is applicable to the overwhelming majority.

Over the years I've asked multiple pros about their training, I've lifted in the same gyms and seen their workouts, I worked right next to one for a period of 4 months right before he earned his pro card that year and went on to have a successful career. I can honestly say that were it not for the drugs he'd be just another decently build guy running around the gym. I'm not going to take anything away from his dedication to diet and his discipline in execution and knowing his body to come to a show in condition but his knowledge of training was insufficient to coach a good high school team or grow a lifter with more than a year's experience. His PT clients went no where besides a doc who got frustrated and got himself some roids.

So, is this small population that I have some personal experience with indicative of the whole - not really but we are also talking guys at the highest levels so obviously a decent level of training knowledge is not required to compete at the top and I can't ever remember being impressed by anything any pro BBer has ever said with regards to training (look at the machine dominated programs of the 1980s for instance - shitty stimulus but take enough drugs and you can still grow).

So yeah - it's unfair to a small number of BBers (and I'd say <1% and that's likely generous) and I definitely don't want to take anything away from them and their pursuit of knowledge but the overwhelming majority of that population up through the highest levels knows a lot more about anabolics and diet than they do about training.

I can make that same argument for powerlifters. Its something I like to call institutional insanity....you do the same thing over and over and expect different results. Being a BBer I take offense to the way your saying we are so far behind when in reality 99% of people who pick up weights have no clue what they are doing. I work out in a gym that is a training ground for some pretty competitive power lifters. I get along great with those guys but you can see some of the guys do the same thing over and over and over again and get pissed when they can't come any closer to a 600lb bench then where they were last year.
 
I've been using HST for a few years now and continue to see steady gains.

About to start my 11th cycle of it...

Bench Stats:
Starting 5 rep max was 185

Current 5 rep max is 230
 
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