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Intel Pentium Quad core Q6600 for $200?

good. biggest boost is MEMORY, MEMORY, MEMORY.

I have 8 gigs on my system that renders video, and even that is barely adequate.

remember that when building a system. 2gigs *minimum*.

r
 
Lumberg said:
Uhh, yeah.

So what OS you using for that rendering, dude?
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vista 64-bit.

people put it down, but it's been rock solid, lotsa new features, and very fast for me. I can count on one hand how many times it's crashed.

r
 
That's a great price actually. I've gotten away from dual processors with the advent of dual cores. I've had a dual Xeon 1.8ghz for 5-6 years now and it's still pretty snappy.
 
might as well get it, you should be able to push it over 3ghz without breaking sweat.

quads are total overkill for most things.. no point getting a more expensive one for a couple of years until software catches up
 
Mr. dB said:
Do you actually listen to Danel Johnston records?
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Hell yeah...

see his documentary. It's so great.

One day i wanna go on the road and follow him around. Closest to feeling like you're in a "family" that follows the Grateful Dead as one can get in 2008.

r
 
Tweakle said:
might as well get it, you should be able to push it over 3ghz without breaking sweat.

quads are total overkill for most things.. no point getting a more expensive one for a couple of years until software catches up
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Few of the xeon boards give you much of a chance for OC'ing like the enthusiast boards do.
 
Razorguns said:
Hell yeah...

see his documentary. It's so great.

One day i wanna go on the road and follow him around. Closest to feeling like you're in a "family" that follows the Grateful Dead as one can get in 2008.

r
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Do you have the Kathy McCarthy album of Johnston songs? "Dead Dog's Eyeball" It's wonderful too.

I didn't know there was a film.
 
I've been seeing a lot of bargain basement prices on the Q6600 lately, I wonder why? It's less than I paid for an E6600 last summer.
 
Razorguns said:
vista 64-bit.

people put it down, but it's been rock solid, lotsa new features, and very fast for me. I can count on one hand how many times it's crashed.

r
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What video editing software has 64bit support?
 
Smurfy said:
lol dude you're talking to a man who builds systems for a living. jesus christ is there anything you think you dont know?
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i knew you were a guy! fag!

64-bit vista allows more memory to be installed, and is more 'stable', tho my 32-bit vista install performs exactly the same. Doesn't really matter.

r
 
Smurfy said:
my bewbs are at least 2 cup sizes bigger than Lummy's
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yeah but he's got the hairy tomato sized areolas I get all blurry eyed for.
 
damn, when did the q6600 drop? It was around 280-290 like a week or two ago...?? I guess they must be coming out with the new quad cores..........which won't be necessary for years to come anyway. Great deal............that's my chip when I put my computer together.
 
Razorguns said:
vista 64-bit.

people put it down, but it's been rock solid, lotsa new features, and very fast for me. I can count on one hand how many times it's crashed.

r
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Plus you need a 64-bit OS just to be able to use more than 4GB of memory.

Which is why people are getting screwed by the OEMs cos the big ones only offer their systems with 32-bit OSes.

n/m you said it already
 
The only time I need horsepower is when I'm burning movies to DVD; beyond that I've been overcpu'ed for years.
 
Mr. dB said:
I've been seeing a lot of bargain basement prices on the Q6600 lately, I wonder why? It's less than I paid for an E6600 last summer.
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Intel is already sitting on cache of 45nm process chips and they need to clear the channels of the old quad-core inventory.

To give you an example of one of their recent market maneuvers, they released the e8400, which is Core Architecture, 2 cores, 3.0Ghz, 6MB L2, and 1333FSB. The damn thing retailed for $183. One place put it out for $200 and they were sold out in days. That's cos GHz/Ghz, the new Penryns (45nm chips) are like 10-20% faster, while using way less energy than their Conroe (65nm) brethren.

The equivalent Conroe proc, the e6850, was and remains on sale for $250.

So Intel has a Conroe-killer ready to ship, but they need to milk everything they can out the current technology.

That and/or the smart retailers know that the Penryns are about to arrive in droves and need to sell out for the same reason.

The bin price for the q6600s I believe is $279, and there's going to be a price cut on April 22nd to $225 or so. By then the Penryns will be out in full force.

Edit: price drop happened around 2-3 days ago.
 
Dial_tone said:
That's a great price actually. I've gotten away from dual processors with the advent of dual cores. I've had a dual Xeon 1.8ghz for 5-6 years now and it's still pretty snappy.
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Dial_tone you're an SMP enthusiast? Hottest system I work on right now is a Dual Xeon MP box. 3.0Ghz, HT enabled for 4 virtual processors. Also last year found a 2.8GHz Xeon that was a perfect match for the empty socket in a system for like $80!

Maybe Skulltrail is for you dude! That or a dual socket L system with Phenoms
 
Lumberg said:
Intel is already sitting on cache of 45nm process chips and they need to clear the channels of the old quad-core inventory.

To give you an example of one of their recent market maneuvers, they released the e8400, which is Core Architecture, 2 cores, 3.0Ghz, 6MB L2, and 1333FSB. The damn thing retailed for $183. One place put it out for $200 and they were sold out in days. That's cos GHz/Ghz, the new Penryns (45nm chips) are like 10-20% faster, while using way less energy than their Conroe (65nm) brethren.

The equivalent Conroe proc, the e6850, was and remains on sale for $250.

So Intel has a Conroe-killer ready to ship, but they need to milk everything they can out the current technology.

That and/or the smart retailers know that the Penryns are about to arrive in droves and need to sell out for the same reason.

The bin price for the q6600s I believe is $279, and there's going to be a price cut on April 22nd to $225 or so. By then the Penryns will be out in full force.

Edit: price drop happened around 2-3 days ago.
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Will these go in the same socket/chipset/motherboard? Mine's a P35, Asus P5K.
 
Lumberg said:
Dial_tone you're an SMP enthusiast? Hottest system I work on right now is a Dual Xeon MP box. 3.0Ghz, HT enabled for 4 virtual processors. Also last year found a 2.8GHz Xeon that was a perfect match for the empty socket in a system for like $80!

Maybe Skulltrail is for you dude! That or a dual socket L system with Phenoms
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Yeah buddy! I have not had a single cpu box as my main home PC since probably 1996. I think my first was a dual Cyrix 166, which was still slower at FPU than a single Intel. I also had a dual Pentium 200; then a dual 600mhz Pentium 3. I've had this dual Xeon since 1991 or so though I've added RAM and bigger drives over time.

I used to have seven boxes at home til I got tired of the noise and heat. Now I'm all about quiet systems, though I would kill for a loaded Mac Pro running Ubuntu.

jnuts said:
I thought the XP-32 limit was 3gig, not 4 gig.
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I think it was 2GB physical RAM and 2GB virtual memory; then MS released a tweak of some kind that allowed 3GB physical RAM and 1GB virtual.
 
I've seen 3 1/2 GB and 3.74 GB or so depending on the MoBo. It's 2^32 (you can only represent that many addresses with one word) minus some constant.

I believe the variation has to do with memory allocated to onboard GPU, among other things.
 
Mr. dB said:
Will these go in the same socket/chipset/motherboard? Mine's a P35, Asus P5K.
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Same socket, I think like maybe 30% of existing LGA 775 MoBos will take it with a BIOS update. You need to check on Asus' website to be sure. Some will accept it only by "overclocking" the FSB but it's officially supported. The Mobos I bought said 1333 somewhere in the name and 45nm ready on the box.
 
Good to see Lumberg posting, too.

I'm still running an old Athlon XP on this Kubuntu box. Only time it gives me fits is if I try to watch HD vids in VLC player.
 
Dial_tone said:
Yeah buddy! I have not had a single cpu box as my main home PC since probably 1996. I think my first was a dual Cyrix 166, which was still slower at FPU than a single Intel. I also had a dual Pentium 200; then a dual 600mhz Pentium 3. I've had this dual Xeon since 1991 or so though I've added RAM and bigger drives over time.

I used to have seven boxes at home til I got tired of the noise and heat. Now I'm all about quiet systems, though I would kill for a loaded Mac Pro running Ubuntu.


I think it was 2GB physical RAM and 2GB virtual memory; then MS released a tweak of some kind that allowed 3GB physical RAM and 1GB virtual.
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Why would you get a mac pro to run Ubuntu? I have Ubuntu running on like 4 machines, from a 1GHz Celery to the e8400 referenced above (like buttah, baby!).

Heck the P-D 805 I have OCed to 3.4GHz runs Ubuntu great! The AMD 64x2 is a little unresponsive but that's cos I am using some old ass PCI GPU and an IDE main HDD (RAIDED SATA for content storage tho).

Hey I have this dual socket 370 Mobo, I got it then I realized it only takes server memory (I forget if it's ECC or registered), plus I don't have two matching processors. You want it?
 
Mr. dB said:
I've been seeing a lot of bargain basement prices on the Q6600 lately, I wonder why? It's less than I paid for an E6600 last summer.
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The quad doesn't really have much of an advantage over the dual because the knowhow to utilize those cores is still in its infancy for the most part. They might also have a smaller die version of it out, or plan on having it out soon. Already I think Intel recently announced a successor to the Core 2 architecture as well. Nehalem is planned to have 8 cores on a 32nm die but they'll probably start out a bit bigger. Why they don't just milk the current tech before moving on is....well....a financial issue with emphasis on competition most likely.
 
redguru said:
Good to see Lumberg posting, too.

I'm still running an old Athlon XP on this Kubuntu box. Only time it gives me fits is if I try to watch HD vids in VLC player.
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HD support in VLC blows right now. I've been having problems with 1080 and 720 working in VLC.
 
A lot of the REAL high end chips, are notorious for their machines overheating and shutting down. Read the reviews on the high-end DELL XPS desktops on the webs. Nothing but overheats, freezes and shutdowns.

Research the machine well.

r
 
Razorguns said:
A lot of the REAL high end chips, are notorious for their machines overheating and shutting down. Read the reviews on the high-end DELL XPS desktops on the webs. Nothing but overheats, freezes and shutdowns.

Research the machine well.

r
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Vendor rigs blehgh.
 
Lumberg said:
Why would you get a mac pro to run Ubuntu? I have Ubuntu running on like 4 machines, from a 1GHz Celery to the e8400 referenced above (like buttah, baby!).

Heck the P-D 805 I have OCed to 3.4GHz runs Ubuntu great! The AMD 64x2 is a little unresponsive but that's cos I am using some old ass PCI GPU and an IDE main HDD (RAIDED SATA for content storage tho).

Hey I have this dual socket 370 Mobo, I got it then I realized it only takes server memory (I forget if it's ECC or registered), plus I don't have two matching processors. You want it?
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I'm not crazy about OSX but I'd probably dual boot it or something. I haven't had as much as need for SMP since I stopped using FreeBSD. I used to compile everything from source then so it helped a lot. I had a Celeron 400 running FreeBSD as my file server until I outgrew the disks in it last year.

Thanks but no thanks on the box. I'm forcing myself to stick with one now. The only reason I'm still using the dual Xeon is because it's too good to throw away, probably won't sell for much and I don't want to have two running. I've already got my next box spec'ed out.
 
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Lumberg said:
Well? Let's hear it.
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Nothing outrageous or expensive; trying to keep the cost under $1K and high end graphics cards are pretty pointless in Linux since I don't really do games.

  • Antec P182 case
  • GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3P motherboard
  • SIIG JU-91RW12-S4 9-in-1 USB 2.0 Card Reader/Write + Floppy
  • Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz
  • GeIL Esoteria 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
  • SAMSUNG 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S203B
  • SeaSonic S12 II SS-430GB ATX12V / EPS12V 430W Power Supply
  • SAPPHIRE 100228L Radeon HD 3850 512MB graphics

I'll stick with onboard sound.
 
Dial_tone said:
Nothing outrageous or expensive; trying to keep the cost under $1K and high end graphics cards are pretty pointless in Linux since I don't really do games.

  • Antec P182 case
  • GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3P motherboard
  • SIIG JU-91RW12-S4 9-in-1 USB 2.0 Card Reader/Write + Floppy
  • Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz
  • GeIL Esoteria 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
  • SAMSUNG 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S203B
  • SeaSonic S12 II SS-430GB ATX12V / EPS12V 430W Power Supply
  • SAPPHIRE 100228L Radeon HD 3850 512MB graphics

I'll stick with onboard sound.
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You spec that off of newegg or what? You OCing?
 
Lumberg said:
You spec that off of newegg or what? You OCing?
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Mostly; it's based on the Hot Rod recommendation of ARS Technica. I plan to OC the tar out of it. With that setup I should be able to to get an extra 1Ghz out of it.
 
That's not much different from the one I built last summer:

  • Lian Li black aluminum case
  • Asus P5K P35 mobo
  • Intel Core2Duo E6600 Conroe 2.40GHz
  • Mushkin 4GB(2 x 2GB) DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066
  • Plextor PX760A CD/CDR/CDRW/DVD/DVDR*
  • Seasonic 500W power supply
  • EVGA GeForce 7900GS video

It runs well, never crashed or locked up yet, on old 32-bit XP Pro. A 10,000 RPM WD Raptor primary drive was a big plus. I'm using on-board sound and it's fine.





*carried forward from previous system, along with monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, diskette, printer...
 
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I'm a big fan of onboard video. I've had pretty good luck with the limited OCing that you get w/most mobos with onboard video.

Like the Pentium D 805 I got up to 3.5GHz on a cheapie $50 ECS.
 
'tis the season for upgrading... I'm adding about 4 of those WD green 1TB hard drives to the machine. Temps are cool and the come with a 3 year warranty.... which is nice considering how shitty some hard drives can be.
 
jnuts said:
'tis the season for upgrading... I'm adding about 4 of those WD green 1TB hard drives to the machine. Temps are cool and the come with a 3 year warranty.... which is nice considering how shitty some hard drives can be.
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I've heard mention of those. What are they, low energy?

Also, what about the Samsung SpinPoints for $.05/GB and 32MB of cache?

Yeah, baby!
 
I'm still on a single 260GB and one 36gb scsi. I think my isp is cracking down on torrents so I might not need much space anymore.
 
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Lumberg said:
I've heard mention of those. What are they, low energy?

Also, what about the Samsung SpinPoints for $.05/GB and 32MB of cache?

Yeah, baby!
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I assume they are a little lower nrg - they only spin at 5400, so they run a lot cooler than the drives they are replacing. Great for a RAID or JBOD machine.... and I'm really liking a 3 year warranty.
 
jnuts, you have any opinion on creative sound cards? I have a ''gamer'' from the audigy series, and am looking to upgrade to the front panel I/O card in the fatal1ty series.

Also, I'm looking to take advantage of my RAID controller and need a handful of 500GB drives, what should I end up paying for 3-4 500GB drives?
 
jnuts said:
I'm not much help on the sound side.

I'm guessing around $100/per for 500gb drives:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010150014 103530113&bop=And&Order=PRICE
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Do I really need to do a mirrored RAID 1 setup or 0+1 for data protection or would you recommend having a document/storage drive and a separate drive for OS/programs?

Right now my documents are on a 250gig IDE drive while OS/programs are on an 80 gig SATA drive. I was hoping to have a 500 for each, or a high RPM lower capacity drive for the OS. I'm wanting to dual boot XP and Vista, evenutally completely migrating to 64bit vista.
 
juiceddreadlocks said:
Do I really need to do a mirrored RAID 1 setup or 0+1 for data protection or would you recommend having a document/storage drive and a separate drive for OS/programs?

Right now my documents are on a 250gig IDE drive while OS/programs are on an 80 gig SATA drive. I was hoping to have a 500 for each, or a high RPM lower capacity drive for the OS. I'm wanting to dual boot XP and Vista, evenutally completely migrating to 64bit vista.
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Pretty much what I plan on doing (OS/programs on a faster, smaller drive, storage on another). I'm holding off on Vista til there's more 64 bit software support though. When I make the change though I'll probably install it on a 10,000rpm drive and switch the one I have now to storage. I'll wait until Vista is hands down better than XP SP2 though before doing so.
 
That's what I've got now, a small fast primary drive and a biggish slower drive for data. The primary drive is a 75G WD Raptor SATA, I've got it partitioned c:\=25G for the OS, d:\=50G for apps. The secondary drive e:\=300G EIDE.
 
It doesn't make sense to prepay for storage. There's no point in buying 1TB of disks if you're only using a 1/3 of it. If you wait til you actually need it you could probably get the same disk for 1/2 price.
 
If you want storage, buy one of those USB 500gb lan drives.

I got one, and works great for throwing tons and tons of media content on them. And the drive is like what, $139 on sale? Sweet.

r
 
If you plan on dual booting, keeping a separate boot drive makes sense.

Regarding RAID setups - it depends, IMHO. A simple manual redundancy is probably smarter. Just have two large data drives in your machine, one of which is in a removable caddy (Newegg has a bunch). Manually sync up the data once a week or whatever. The option for HD removal gives you a bit of physical security in case your house gets hit by lightening and fries all kinds of shit on your machine... I speak from experience on that one.

Be very careful buying any of those external firewire/usb hardrives the stores are pimping right now. I've had shitty experiences with them failing. Multiple brands, multiple times. Fuckers run too hot and go splat.
 
I love RAID-5. Especially since almost all mobos come with 4 SATA headers. One for the boot disk and 3 for the RAID.
 
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