Insulin Question

[badslinky]

Last cycle I did was Test e 600mg/wk-12wks, EQ600mg/wk-12wks, dianabol 40mg/day-6wks and for the last 4 weeks I did 10 IUs of slin post workout. I really didnt notice anything added from the slin so I was curious if maybe Im not so sensitive to insulin. I just started a new cycle today and wouldnt mind giving it another shot. This time do you think i should gradually increase it untill I feel a difference from the slin?

Taking in 4000+ cals aday with roughly 350 to 400 grams of protein a day.
I try to stay away from fatty foods for about 5 hrs after I inject Humulin R.

Current cycle is NPP ~600mg/wk-8weeks, Test E ~750mg/wk-8weeks, and Dbol 50mg/day for 5 weeks.

Stats are 215 9-10% BF Karma for some imput!

 

[bluetwistedsteel67]

I wouldn't up your dose much more. Maybe 12iu's total. Some people respond better than others on slin just as some people respond better to test than other people. I have taken slin and found it worked ok with AAS but found (for me at least) it worked great while taking HGh. If you are not getting super results I would not take slin. The risk has to be worth the reward and with slin the risk is significant. Are you pounding some fast carbs and protein shortly after taking your slin injection? If not that could be a problem (plus it make it even more dangerous). You need to slam (IMO) 80-100 grams of fast carbs and about 60 grams of protein after your shot (I usually wait about 15-20 minutes but I really don't think it matters if you ingest your carbs and protein right away). To get the slin to work properly. Good luck and be careful, that shit can kill you.

 

[badslinky]

Thanks for your imput bro, K your way. I guess Ill try 12 this time around but I will really focus on slamming the carbs and protein right to me.

 

[Makavelli]

What was your diet schedule like? We can help more if we know specifics. This game is all about specifics. I would try increasing the slin to 12 IU's and go from there, but let's take a look at the diet first.

 

[idcbp]

This gets into a debatable area, but there are a number of guys I lift with who run18-20ius postworkout. I have done the same with no ill effects, though I always get my carbs preferably during the end of my workout so I can be absorbing it before I shoot, but I found personally my gains leveled off at 10-12 so going higher was unnecessary. Provided you take a metyhodical approach the actual iu # isn't supere important. as I've said before, you have done 10ius with a set carbs (say 80-100g) Next workout up it to 11 ius. Observe for hypo. symptoms and if none are present increase by another iu at your next workout. I'm not saying you should go too high, but just to let you know there are plenty of guys going 20+ who feel it gets them the response they are looking for.

 

[badslinky]

Thanks for the advice guys. I guess Ill just try uppin it some gradually. Karma to both. It says Ive given out to much k in 24hrs so il be sure to hit you guys up later. Ill post a detailed diet later but i gotta take of for a lil.

 

[Outtlaw]

Bluetwisted is on the right track. I think where a lot of people mess up with slin is on their carb intake. The purpose of slin supplementation is to allow the muscle to soak up more carbs and nutrients than it would be able to normally. Therefore, after you take the slin you should really load up on the carbs. If you sit there and calculate the bare minimum you can consume without going hypo then you’re not using the slin to its full potential.

 

[idcbp]

Oh yeah, I was also going to mention that you could try a different approach to feel the insulin response. If you are slamming down too many carbs, then you won't notice anything. The thing to consider is that this doesn't mean the insulin is not working to rush nutrients to your muscles. It just means you are not approaching hypo. which really isn't a bad thing, but it does mean you have room to work with. Another approach I found rewarding was to locate my lowest ideal carb volume. Instead of altering the insulin, I left it at 12ius. Then each workout I reduced my carbs by 10g. and again watched for hypo symptoms. I found that I really only need 50-60g of carbs and this limited fat gains while still providing max muscle gains. You may want to consider this approach before you go sky high with the insulin b/c 10-12 ius will do the job for most. Also, remember that feeling the slin is only of value for locating limits, its not as if hypo. symptoms signify ideal muscle building conditions as some guys seem to think as they pursue this state of feeling it.

 

[Outtlaw]

Oh yeah, I was also going to mention that you could try a different approach to feel the insulin response. If you are slamming down too many carbs, then you won't notice anything. The thing to consider is that this doesn't mean the insulin is not working to rush nutrients to your muscles. It just means you are not approaching hypo. which really isn't a bad thing, but it does mean you have room to work with. Another approach I found rewarding was to locate my lowest ideal carb volume. Instead of altering the insulin, I left it at 12ius. Then each workout I reduced my carbs by 10g. and again watched for hypo symptoms. I found that I really only need 50-60g of carbs and this limited fat gains while still providing max muscle gains. You may want to consider this approach before you go sky high with the insulin b/c 10-12 ius will do the job for most. Also, remember that feeling the slin is only of value for locating limits, its not as if hypo. symptoms signify ideal muscle building conditions as some guys seem to think as they pursue this state of feeling it.

With our knowledge working together, we could write our own insulin post j/k.

"You must spread some Karma around before giving it to idcbp again."

 

[idcbp]

With our knowledge working together, we could write our own insulin post j/k.

"You must spread some Karma around before giving it to idcbp again."

The funny thing is that we must have been writing at the same time b/c I hadn't read your post and mine wasn't meant as a rebutal of any sort. I've always wondered the role of carb intake in terms of whether its function should be viewed mainly as avoiding hypo. while allowing the uptake of protein, thus benefiting from lowest carbs safely allowed vs. carbs themselves being an anabolic contributor, thus benefiting from over carbing. Needless to say, I've done it both ways. For pure bulking I'd definitely agree with the heavy carbing, but for those concerned with fat, reduced carbs maybe more beneficial. The funny thing is that we are debating the valuable part of the two ways, namely the results, we as the questioned seemed to be about feeling it. My main point was that carbs should be chosen in the methodical up and down to ideal manner and that they should be in pursuit of size or limited fat, but not just in pursuit of feeling the slin. This point you and I both know, but I think guys need to remember that you should go by results in terms of muscle rather than hypo. symptoms.

By the way, I swear I don't understand the karma thing. I vaguely understand guys give it and get it and its like a rep or kudos but I don't have a clue how to do it. I think I need to figure it out before I piss people off or get them thinking I don't recognize or appreciate their contributions. Any help or explaination would be appreciated bros, with somethings I'm an idiot.