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I just did not respond very well to it..........My diet was great also.......I gained very little from "log". I also have heard various reports from other guys who say the same thing.
 
muscleup said:
I just did not respond very well to it..........My diet was great also.......I gained very little from "log". I also have heard various reports from other guys who say the same thing.

So what? Humalin was better for you and them?
 
humalog and do alot of research satch... personally IGF-1 is alot better.
 
humalin worked for some of them very well.......I personally have not tried it yet.

I went as high as 20iu's of log and never really gained much......I even waited to go hypo just to make sure the slin was working.....and it was. Just did not do much for me.
Carth said:
So what? Humalin was better for you and them?
 
I think the 2 hour window that the humalog gives you is too small of a time frame to load all those carbs into the muscle efficiently.I have used humalog twice and didnt get all that great of results either.
 
gymratforlife said:
I think the 2 hour window that the humalog gives you is too small of a time frame to load all those carbs into the muscle efficiently.I have used humalog twice and didnt get all that great of results either.

I don't know bro. Humalin just made me too fat. And always going hypo. Humalog gets big and pumped up. Fat too...but not as bad as humalin.
 
satchboogie said:

Out of curiosity (and lack of knowledge on the subject), what are the risks of becoming insulin resistant/dependent if you are injecting insulin (as opposed to manipulating your own natural production)? Diabetes is friggin scary plus, correct me if I'm wrong, but there ain't no PCT for insulin use (like juice use).
 
Carth said:
I don't know bro. Humalin just made me too fat. And always going hypo. Humalog gets big and pumped up. Fat too...but not as bad as humalin.
How long did you wait for the second shot of humalog bro?I was taking mine one hour after the shot and it seemed I was getting a crazy spike like 2 1/2 hours after the shot.I have always read that humalog is only active for 2 hours but I know that spike I was getting was definetly 2 1/2 hours after the shot maybe more.
 
digimon7068 said:
Out of curiosity (and lack of knowledge on the subject), what are the risks of becoming insulin resistant/dependent if you are injecting insulin (as opposed to manipulating your own natural production)? Diabetes is friggin scary plus, correct me if I'm wrong, but there ain't no PCT for insulin use (like juice use).

Very true my friend. Even my doc said it. He said that any hormone...wether it be steroids, gh, t3, insulin...after time the body will get lazy in making its own production and eventually slow down or halt its own production.

I only use Slin on the days I train which is only 2-4 times a week. I do 1 month on/ 1 month off and back again.
 
indy69camaro said:
Humalin R is good stuff and it's all you need, dont have to go Humalog
I agree but be on guard and no feel good drugs for 4 hours or better after in case you start to crash and do not notice till yer shakin' and quakin'!

Q.
 
gymratforlife said:
How long did you wait for the second shot of humalog bro?I was taking mine one hour after the shot and it seemed I was getting a crazy spike like 2 1/2 hours after the shot.I have always read that humalog is only active for 2 hours but I know that spike I was getting was definetly 2 1/2 hours after the shot maybe more.

What I do is wake up at 4am. Take 2ius of Slin and down some Potassium and Vitamin C caps with 30grams of Dextrose. Go back to sleep and wake up at 4:30. Then I get up and have a whey/maltodextrin shake and hit the gym. I sip dextrose water every now and then.

And 15minutes prior to leaving the gym, I take r-ALA with 10ius of Slin and then down a whey/dextrose shake. Then 2.5 hours later I take another r-ALA with 4ius of Slin and eat Potatos and Tuna. And then down a weighgainer shake.
 
Took a while to find, but this might help. I also have articles on running slin with gh, or igf or both if youd like.


what is insulin?

Insulin is a hormone secreted by the beta cells of the pancreas that controls the metabolism and cellular uptake of sugars, proteins, and fats. As a drug, it is used principally to control diabetes. Insulin is not a steroid.

What type of insulin should I use for bodybuilding?

Humulin R and Humulog are the only insulins I recommend because they act fast and are out of the body fastest(this makes them the safest). I have never used Humalog but understand that aside from quicker onset and half-life it is essentially the same.
I have used Humalog and I feel that it is the only insulin that should be used. Hum**** R active for too long IMO.

Why do I want to use insulin?

Insulin has been called "Anabolicus Maximus" by some gurus of the bodybuilding world. Insulin can give you greater gains than you have ever had using anabolics alone. Insulin, in combination with androgens and resistance exercise, may trigger maturation of satellite muscle cells (small, more or less useless cells that are held in reserve, which do not contribute to muscular strength) into mature muscle cells that do contribute to muscular size and strength. How freakin cool is that. Hyperinsulinemia has been shown to stimulate protein synthesis in isolated limb infusion experiments , these anabolic properties seem to be the result of insulin binding to IGF-1 receptors.

If insulin is so great why aren't all diabetics huge?

Diabetics have a disease and use insulin to replace endogenous insulin that they cannot produce. Bodybuilders use insulin in a totally different way. Some diabetic bodybuilders manipulate their insulin use to use insulin for muscle growth and get good results but changing dosages and times of injection of insulin for diabetics can be dangerous.

Isn't taking insulin dangerous?

ummm YES! Before deciding to take insulin here is what you have to do to be safe.

Insulin safety

1. Do not use slin alone have a training partner or girlfriend who's not using slin hang around with you from the time you take the slin to about 2.5/4 hrs after.
Assuming that Humalog is used and shot IM (intramuscular) the time is just 2.5 hours.

2. Tell you're partner to look for anything out of the norm for your personality and have a list of questions like your ssn or address etc that they can ask you. Don't joke around, and answer them without ****, because if you cant answer or refuse to answer it could be a sign of hypoglycemia(low blood sugar). Symptoms of hypoglycemia include disorientation, headache, drowsiness, weakness, dizziness, fast heartbeat, sweating, tremor, and nausea.
Personal side note, do not take a shower while slin is active, it can be very hard to pick up the sides...

3. If you cant/wont answer or are feeling the symptoms of hypoglycemia they should be prepared to feed you carbs like pancake syrup, coke, sugary stuff. I bought glucose tablets at walmart. kinda like candy but gets in the blood faster and dissolve quickly. these are for diabetics ask at the pharmacy.

4. Have your partner know that if they suspect low blood sugar and cant convince or force you to consume carbs until your better. CALL 911 and ask for an ambulance and tell the truth to the operator... that they suspect you are in insulin shock and explain when they get there(the ambulance guys not the cops) that you are not diabetic but using insulin for anabolic purposes. Have the type of slin, the dosage and carbs consumed recorded to give the paramedic. They will save your life. Then you refuse transport to the hospital and eat. It might be a good idea to make sure your house is "clean" before every workout just in case the bad thing happens and the cops ask a lot of questions.

5. Why so much preparation for the possible problem?? insulin can kill you in minutes if you go down!!

6. Take the carbs and protein together immediately after injecting the slin(dont take chances trying to time out 15 min after injection). Take the protein with the carbs because the protein is pushed into the muscles with the slin also(creatine too).
This HAS TO BE whey protein, and the sugar should be dextrose. The whey should be taken in water... you want a fast absorbing protein at this point, so do not have a meal here.

7. Before an hour passes you should eat a normal balanced meal(high protein low fat with carbs).
Steak and brown rice is a very good meal here.

8. Consume another small high protein medium carb low fat meal at 2.5 hours after the injection. Congrats you lived.(keep some gatoraid on hand just to make sure because your not gonna have a lifeline)

9. YAWN... Don't go to sleep within 4/6 hours of using insulin since you can develop hypoglycemia while asleep and not have warning signs.
Once again, assuming humalog shot IM was used 4 hours is all you have to worry about.

Ok I'm not scared I still want to use insulin...
Im not scared of slin.... but I respect it!

Where do i get it?

Humulin R is over the counter (OTC) just about everywhere. Humulog is new and is still a prescription drug is some places. BUT... Insulin is NOT a controlled substance and will not be confiscated by customs or postal inspectors so order it online if you cant get it locally. Its legal.
Humalog can be purchased... PM me for details of doing so.

Where do I keep it? (STORAGE)

The FDA requires that all preparations of insulin contain instructions to keep in a cold place and to avoid freezing. The refrigerator is a good spot. Unrefrigerated insulin can be kept of 28 days as long as it stays in a cool and dark place.

Where/how do I inject insulin?

The best sites for insulin injection are in the subcutaneous tissue of the abdomen(avoid the area close to bellybutton) .Usually, you should not inject within 1 inch of the same site within 1 month. The arms and legs can also be used, but insulin uptake from these sites is less uniform. Insulin should be injected subcutaneously only with a U-100 insulin syringe. "B-D ultra-fine" insulin syringes are good. Insulin syringes are available without a prescription in many states. If you cant purchase the syringes at a pharmacy, you can mail order them. Using a syringe other than a specific insulin syringe is dangerous since it will be difficult to measure out the correct dosage.

NO NO NO this needs to be an IM (intramuscular) shot. Subc is not good for what we use it for, IM cuts the duration of the insulin in half. Also a good place to inject is a place with low body fat. ie tricep, bicep and the tear drop on the quad.
How much insulin should I take?

I recommend never using over 10IU. 10IU is enough to make you grow.
In general Dosages used are usually 1 IU per 20 pounds of lean bodyweight. So a 220lb bodybuilder with 9% body-fat would use 10iu of insulin(aprox200lb lean mass/20 = 10iu). But even experienced insulin users shouldn't use max dosage at the beginning of an insulin cycle. First-time users should start at a low dosage and gradually work up. For example, first begin with 2 IU and then increase the dosage by 1 IU every consecutive workout until you reach your calculated dose or determine a maximum personal dose(some people are more sensitive to insulin sides like hypoglycemia). This will allow the athlete to determine a dosage he can safely use. Insulin dosages can vary significantly among athletes and are dependent upon insulin sensitivity and the use of other drugs. Athletes using growth hormone and thyroid might have higher insulin requirements.


When do I take insulin?

It is my opinion that you should only take insulin after a work out, never before or when not working out, because before a work out you could crash and die during the workout and when your not working out it makes you fat. Some people disagree with this. IF you want, get some info from them and try it. But remember I told ya so.

PWO ONLY!!!

When do i eat after using insulin?

Immediately!!! DO NOT TRY TO TIME YOUR CONSUMPTION OF CARBS!! You should immediately take a carbohydrate AND protein drink after taking you're insulin. I've stated this twice because it is very important. Even experienced insulin users can get a surprise now and then.
Eat a meal at about an hour after using insulin. Consume another small high protein medium carb low fat meal at 2.5 hours after the injection. keep some gatoraid on hand just to make sure. Remember that insulin can still work much later so be careful and eat if you feel hypoglycemia symptoms.

Once again no first meal it needs to be whey protein/dex in water...

What do I eat after using insulin?

Some people recommend a zero fat intake for 4 hours after taking insulin. I do not disagree with this. But if your bulking you can be a little relaxed on this. But high fat intake after taking insulin can lead to high body fat.
The carb/protein drink taken after the insulin shot should contain AT LEAST 10 grams of carbs and 5 grams of quality protein per IU of insulin injected with little or no fat(creatine taken in this drink is optional but works great). Before an hour passes you should eat a normal balanced meal(high protein low fat with carbs). At 2.5 hours after the injection you should Consume a small meal. keep some gatoraid on hand just to make sure. Remember that insulin can still work much later so be careful and eat if you feel hypoglycemia symptoms. Once again i've stated this twice because it is important.

I feel that the 5g per IU is a little low... as far as your shake 10-15 min after your injection, I have got better results whenever I consumed 80g of whey. Id rather have too much than not enough whenever the insulin is active.

***Some insulin users recommend far less carbs than I have stated above. This is a personal decision you will have to make since it could be very dangerous...Even deadly! My opinion is to take the carbs and learn to diet after bulking if you gain too much fat.***

How long should/can I take insulin?

Short cycles please because you could have side effects. It is suspected that you could become an insulin dependant diabetic but I have never seen proof, but is it worth the risk? I would only use it a few times a week(maximum 4 on 3 off) for no more than 3/4 weeks.

What should I avoid while using insulin?

Do not use alcohol. It lowers blood sugar, and you may experience dangerously low blood sugar levels
Do not change your workout in the middle of a cycle of insulin. Changes in how much you exercise can change the amount of insulin you can tolerate and maintain blood sugar levels.

Do not take any recreational drugs at the same time as insulin since they could mask symptoms of hypoglycemia.

Do not change the brand of insulin or syringe that you are using without first talking to a doctor or pharmacist. Some brands of insulin and syringes are interchangeable, while others are not.

Do not use insulin if you are sick with a cold, flu, or fever. These illnesses may change your insulin requirements..

Do not use any insulin that is discolored, looks thick, has particles in it, or looks different from the way it looked when you bought it.

Do not use OTC drugs that will cause drowsiness within 6 hours of using insulin.

Do not go to sleep within 4/6 hours of using insulin since you can develop hypoglycemia while asleep and not have warning signs.


What are the possible side effects of insulin besides hypoglycemia?

Rarely, people have allergic reactions to insulin. Seek emergency medical attention if you experience an allergic reaction (difficulty breathing; closing of your throat; swelling of your lips, tongue, or face; or hives).

Hypothetically, one could become an insulin dependent diabetic if insulin is used too long
 
you want it in ur system the quickest and the shortest

it absorbes much quicker IM so all of it is absorbed quicker so all of it is out quicker

u want IM b/c post workout u want that insulin spike ASAP so repair and replenishment can begin quicker and in theory the sooner post workout the less fat put on

i have done both and IM hits me much faster
shot and then a serving of cell tech along with sum hydrolyzed whey immediately, i then shower (he says not to if its the same article im used to seeing, bt im out of ther b4 the 15 minute mark after the shot anyway.

then i eat half hour after the shot (when bulking) and consistly sip on a shake or am eating something during my 4 hours post shoot.

i notice when on slin (3 weeks) during and a short time after i am ripped
only ran it along w/ anabolics no gh or igf

7ius 75grams dextrose and probably 250 grams of protein within that 4 hour period

i went to 10iu bt felt like shit even after taking in so many carbs during the first 2 hours after the shot
 
ive used most types of insulins, even the long ones, up to 20iu, 2-3 times a day with NO GAINS. i used it subQ and IM and found it pretty useless. if i didnt get it directly from a drug store myself, i would say the shit was fake.

on a side note, slin is no joke, u can and will die from it. satch, youve only been training for 2.5 years! u are very far from NEEDING to go to these drastic measures to gain. you should have extremely good results with basic stacks like test dbol deca.
 
gotta bump this shit to answer one fuckin question:


SLIN IM OR SC?????
 
satchboogie said:
gotta bump this shit to answer one fuckin question:


SLIN IM OR SC?????

Satchoooo!!! WTF bro. Look at my before and after pics. Slin IM!!!! Into the bicep! Just make sure that you aspirate first.
 
Oh! Just wanted to throw this in. But I noticed that when I take r-ALA with Slin. I do go hypo damn quick! I take it that with r-ALA, you can use less slin.
 
alltraps said:
on a side note, slin is no joke, u can and will die from it. satch, youve only been training for 2.5 years! u are very far from NEEDING to go to these drastic measures to gain. you should have extremely good results with basic stacks like test dbol deca.


i hear ya bro..
but i gained 40 pounds of muscle in 2.5 years.
dont you think gains will at this point wont be as easy to acheive?

i mena how effective will test/deca/dbol be at this point?

5 pounds a year?
8 pounds a year?

im aiming for 15 this year!
 
satchboogie said:

Oh no! I hope you know what your getting yourself into. And make sure that somebody is with you. Going hypo when no one is around sucks! You want to scream for help. But you can't! You completely lock up! I'm serious!
 
Borg4902 said:
Do not inject IM! It totally throws the timing off, and you really need to be presice with it. Trust me, Sub - Q!

And why wouldn't he be precise? Inject the shit and then down a shake. What is so hard about that?
 
Because when shooting IM it may not spike for a half hour later making the carbs injested directly after the injection less useful increasing the change of going hypo big time. If you want I can present quite a few articles on it, but tell you the truth it will be a pain in my ass but ill do it if you dont beleive me.
 
Borg4902 said:
Because when shooting IM it may not spike for a half hour later making the carbs injested directly after the injection less useful increasing the change of going hypo big time. If you want I can present quite a few articles on it, but tell you the truth it will be a pain in my ass but ill do it if you dont beleive me.

And if I inject SubQ. When will it spike?
 
Carth said:
What I do is wake up at 4am. Take 2ius of Slin and down some Potassium and Vitamin C caps with 30grams of Dextrose. Go back to sleep and wake up at 4:30. Then I get up and have a whey/maltodextrin shake and hit the gym. I sip dextrose water every now and then.

And 15minutes prior to leaving the gym, I take r-ALA with 10ius of Slin and then down a whey/dextrose shake. Then 2.5 hours later I take another r-ALA with 4ius of Slin and eat Potatos and Tuna. And then down a weighgainer shake.

i thought going to sleep after taking slin was a big no no !
 
Borg4902 said:
Immidiately, hence the rush to compensate.

So then why does this article say that IM is faster??

I've done both IM and SubQ and can't tell the difference.

I'm not being a smartass with you ok. Just trying to learn like we all do when we come here to EF. Teach me please.
 
Fucking humalog has snuck on me after the 2 hour mark a few times Ive done as much as 15ius pwo.I never use the 10g of per iu aproach though because I try to gain as little fat as possible when I use it.
 
gymratforlife said:
Fucking humalog has snuck on me after the 2 hour mark a few times Ive done as much as 15ius pwo.I never use the 10g of per iu aproach though because I try to gain as little fat as possible when I use it.

Yeah but I eat 2 hours after my slin and protein/dextrose shake anyways! So I never felt what you felt. OK! Actually yes! It did happen to me once or twice. But it was my fault. I was late to eat my meal by say....half an hour.
 
Insulin FAQ

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

lots of questions that come up regularly and a pretty safe guide to use. this took a lot of research and time so be nice.

Acnemans Insulin FAQ

what is insulin?

Insulin is a hormone secreted by the beta cells of the pancreas that controls the metabolism and cellular uptake of sugars, proteins, and fats. As a drug, it is used principally to control diabetes. Insulin is not a steroid.

What type of insulin should I use for bodybuilding?

Humulin R and Humulog are the only insulins I recommend because they act fast and are out of the body fastest(this makes them the safest). I have never used Humalog but understand that aside from quicker onset and half-life it is essentially the same.

Why do I want to use insulin?

Insulin has been called "Anabolicus Maximus" by some gurus of the bodybuilding world. Insulin can give you greater gains than you have ever had using anabolics alone. Insulin, in combination with androgens and resistance exercise, may trigger maturation of satellite muscle cells (small, more or less useless cells that are held in reserve, which do not contribute to muscular strength) into mature muscle cells that do contribute to muscular size and strength. How freakin cool is that. Hyperinsulinemia has been shown to stimulate protein synthesis in isolated limb infusion experiments , these anabolic properties seem to be the result of insulin binding to IGF-1 receptors.

If insulin is so great why aren't all diabetics huge?

Diabetics have a disease and use insulin to replace endogenous insulin that they cannot produce. Bodybuilders use insulin in a totally different way. Some diabetic bodybuilders manipulate their insulin use to use insulin for muscle growth and get good results but changing dosages and times of injection of insulin for diabetics can be dangerous.

Isn't taking insulin dangerous?

ummm YES! Before deciding to take insulin here is what you have to do to be safe.

Insulin safety

1. Do not use slin alone have a training partner or girlfriend who's not using slin hang around with you from the time you take the slin to about 2.5/4 hrs after.

2. Tell you're partner to look for anything out of the norm for your personality and have a list of questions like your ssn or address etc that they can ask you. Don't joke around, and answer them without shit, because if you cant answer or refuse to answer it could be a sign of hypoglycemia(low blood sugar). Symptoms of hypoglycemia include disorientation, headache, drowsiness, weakness, dizziness, fast heartbeat, sweating, tremor, and nausea.

3. If you cant/wont answer or are feeling the symptoms of hypoglycemia they should be prepared to feed you carbs like pancake syrup, coke, sugary stuff. I bought glucose tablets at walmart. kinda like candy but gets in the blood faster and dissolve quickly. these are for diabetics ask at the pharmacy.

4. Have your partner know that if they suspect low blood sugar and cant convince or force you to consume carbs until your better. CALL 911 and ask for an ambulance and tell the truth to the operator... that they suspect you are in insulin shock and explain when they get there(the ambulance guys not the cops) that you are not diabetic but using insulin for anabolic purposes. Have the type of slin, the dosage and carbs consumed recorded to give the paramedic. They will save your life. Then you refuse transport to the hospital and eat. It might be a good idea to make sure your house is "clean" before every workout just in case the bad thing happens and the cops ask a lot of questions.

5. Why so much preparation for the possible problem?? insulin can kill you in minutes if you go down!!

6. Take the carbs and protein together immediately after injecting the slin(dont take chances trying to time out 15 min after injection). Take the protein with the carbs because the protein is pushed into the muscles with the slin also(creatine too).

7. Before an hour passes you should eat a normal balanced meal(high protein low fat with carbs).

8. Consume another small high protein medium carb low fat meal at 2.5 hours after the injection. Congrats you lived.(keep some gatoraid on hand just to make sure because your not gonna have a lifeline)

9. YAWN... Don't go to sleep within 4/6 hours of using insulin since you can develop hypoglycemia while asleep and not have warning signs.

Ok I'm not scared I still want to use insulin...

Where do i get it?

Humulin R is over the counter (OTC) just about everywhere. Humulog is new and is still a prescription drug is some places. BUT... Insulin is NOT a controlled substance and will not be confiscated by customs or postal inspectors so order it online if you cant get it locally. Its legal.

Where do I keep it? (STORAGE)

The FDA requires that all preparations of insulin contain instructions to keep in a cold place and to avoid freezing. The refrigerator is a good spot. Unrefrigerated insulin can be kept of 28 days as long as it stays in a cool and dark place.

Where/how do I inject insulin?

The best sites for insulin injection are in the subcutaneous tissue of the abdomen(avoid the area close to bellybutton) .Usually, you should not inject within 1 inch of the same site within 1 month. The arms and legs can also be used, but insulin uptake from these sites is less uniform. Insulin should be injected subcutaneously only with a U-100 insulin syringe. "B-D ultra-fine" insulin syringes are good. Insulin syringes are available without a prescription in many states. If you cant purchase the syringes at a pharmacy, you can mail order them. Using a syringe other than a specific insulin syringe is dangerous since it will be difficult to measure out the correct dosage.

How much insulin should I take?

I recommend never using over 10IU. 10IU is enough to make you grow.
In general Dosages used are usually 1 IU per 20 pounds of lean bodyweight. So a 220lb bodybuilder with 9% body-fat would use 10iu of insulin(aprox200lb lean mass/20 = 10iu). But even experienced insulin users shouldn't use max dosage at the beginning of an insulin cycle. First-time users should start at a low dosage and gradually work up. For example, first begin with 2 IU and then increase the dosage by 1 IU every consecutive workout until you reach your calculated dose or determine a maximum personal dose(some people are more sensitive to insulin sides like hypoglycemia). This will allow the athlete to determine a dosage he can safely use. Insulin dosages can vary significantly among athletes and are dependent upon insulin sensitivity and the use of other drugs. Athletes using growth hormone and thyroid might have higher insulin requirements.


When do I take insulin?

It is my opinion that you should only take insulin after a work out, never before or when not working out, because before a work out you could crash and die during the workout and when your not working out it makes you fat. Some people disagree with this. IF you want, get some info from them and try it. But remember I told ya so.

When do i eat after using insulin?

Immediately!!! DO NOT TRY TO TIME YOUR CONSUMPTION OF CARBS!! You should immediately take a carbohydrate AND protein drink after taking you're insulin. I've stated this twice because it is very important. Even experienced insulin users can get a surprise now and then.
Eat a meal at about an hour after using insulin. Consume another small high protein medium carb low fat meal at 2.5 hours after the injection. keep some gatoraid on hand just to make sure. Remember that insulin can still work much later so be careful and eat if you feel hypoglycemia symptoms.


What do I eat after using insulin?

Some people recommend a zero fat intake for 4 hours after taking insulin. I do not disagree with this. But if your bulking you can be a little relaxed on this. But high fat intake after taking insulin can lead to high body fat.
The carb/protein drink taken after the insulin shot should contain AT LEAST 10 grams of carbs and 5 grams of quality protein per IU of insulin injected with little or no fat(creatine taken in this drink is optional but works great). Before an hour passes you should eat a normal balanced meal(high protein low fat with carbs). At 2.5 hours after the injection you should Consume a small meal. keep some gatoraid on hand just to make sure. Remember that insulin can still work much later so be careful and eat if you feel hypoglycemia symptoms. Once again i've stated this twice because it is important.

***Some insulin users recommend far less carbs than I have stated above. This is a personal decision you will have to make since it could be very dangerous...Even deadly! My opinion is to take the carbs and learn to diet after bulking if you gain too much fat.***

How long should/can I take insulin?

Short cycles please because you could have side effects. It is suspected that you could become an insulin dependant diabetic but I have never seen proof, but is it worth the risk? I would only use it a few times a week(maximum 4 on 3 off) for no more than 3/4 weeks.

What should I avoid while using insulin?

Do not use alcohol. It lowers blood sugar, and you may experience dangerously low blood sugar levels
Do not change your workout in the middle of a cycle of insulin. Changes in how much you exercise can change the amount of insulin you can tolerate and maintain blood sugar levels.

Do not take any recreational drugs at the same time as insulin since they could mask symptoms of hypoglycemia.

Do not change the brand of insulin or syringe that you are using without first talking to a doctor or pharmacist. Some brands of insulin and syringes are interchangeable, while others are not.

Do not use insulin if you are sick with a cold, flu, or fever. These illnesses may change your insulin requirements..

Do not use any insulin that is discolored, looks thick, has particles in it, or looks different from the way it looked when you bought it.

Do not use OTC drugs that will cause drowsiness within 6 hours of using insulin.

Do not go to sleep within 4/6 hours of using insulin since you can develop hypoglycemia while asleep and not have warning signs.


What are the possible side effects of insulin besides hypoglycemia?

Rarely, people have allergic reactions to insulin. Seek emergency medical attention if you experience an allergic reaction (difficulty breathing; closing of your throat; swelling of your lips, tongue, or face; or hives).

Hypothetically, one could become an insulin dependent diabetic if insulin is used too long.
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Ther is a notable difference between the two. IM hits hard and fast. My recomendation to anyone that uses insulin would be to inject subq until you get a good handle on timing and meals etc.

All im sayin is you are recommending IM injections on an open forum with newbie's galore. I dont think the dangers of insulin are being brought out in this thread. Its not as lax as your portraying it. Im just trying to keep people safe here. You know how stupid some questions are on here. Insulin should NOT be used until you have done lots and lots of proper research! I read at least 100 articles before ever trying it. I just dont want to hear about someone going hypo because the timings wernt stressed. Carth you know what your doing, you know your body, but be careful when recommending things when the dangers are this high. Sub-Q is the safest methos timing wise, was all I was trying to say.
 
Disclaimer: I am not Carth and I am not a bodybuilder in real life. I only role play as the character Carth on Elitefitness.com for entertainment purposes only. Carth is a fictitous character that has been created by a creating staff. Everything Carth says is purely fictitous information just for the sole purpose of entertainment. Carth and his creators do not condone the use of illegal AAS. So please do not take any advice from the character Carth seriously as it is all fictitious. Carth and his creators will not take responsibility for the damages done to your health and well being from the use of illegal AAS.
 
i want to try slin... hmm...
what would be a good anabolic compound to take with it. i dont use test anymore.
would it go well with deca?
and i feel more more comfortable with IM injections, how often can i hit the same muscle group when injecting slin ?
 
carth you dont REALLY think that silly disclaimer is gonna protect you in case some shit goes down with the law? or do you???????
 
carth to answer your PM...

assuming that you get busted for info tranfering on the internet, a disclaimer on your signature will not protect you at all.

its not like you're some skinny ass kid that TRULY doesnt bodybuild.
you, and many others including myself, openly post about our steroid use including how we inject, amounts of gear we take, and where we buy our needles.

i never heard of average users busted from sharing info on the net.. but i guess its possible if the feds feel like this person has something they want... maybe a big time source who he buys from.. or maybe they feel he's a source when he's really just an average dude who spends alot of time on the net.
shit if i lived in the u.s i woudlnt dare to anything even remotely against the law... its fuckin nuts right now!

anyhow, chances of getttin caught are slim to none but even slim to none leaves a small entry of chacne... its part of the risk we take sharing info on the net.

hell.. some of us even post pics of ourselves WITHOUT blocking out the face!!

and the courts use logic, and evidence when prosecuting (well.. at least most of the time)... so the sig wont help.

instead this signature may work better for ya:

'I AM IN NO FUCKIN WAY ASSOCIATED WITH ANY SOURCE OF STEROIDS NOR WILL I ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE I BOUGHT MY STEROIDS.. SO PLEASE DONT EMAIL ME OR CONTACT PERIOD BECAUSE I WONT REPLY!! MY STEROIDS ARE FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY SO THERE'
 
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satchboogie said:
carth to answer your PM...

assuming that you get busted for info tranfering on the internet, a disclaimer on your signature will not protect you at all.

its not like you're some skinny ass kid that TRULY doesnt bodybuild.
you, and many others including myself, openly post about our steroid use including how we inject, amounts of gear we take, and where we buy our needles.

i never heard of average users busted from sharing info on the net.. but i guess its possible if the feds feel like this person has something they want... maybe a big time source who he buys from.. or maybe they feel he's a source when he's really just an average dude who spends alot of time on the net.
shit if i lived in the u.s i woudlnt dare to anything even remotely against the law... its fuckin nuts right now!

anyhow, chances of getttin caught are slim to none but even slim to none leaves a small entry of chacne... its part of the risk we take sharing info on the net.

hell.. some of us even post pics of ourselves WITHOUT blocking out the face!!

and the courts use logic, and evidence when prosecuting (well.. at least most of the time)... so the sig wont help.

instead this signature may work better for ya:

'I AM IN NO FUCKIN WAY ASSOCIATED WITH ANY SOURCE OF STEROIDS NOR WILL I ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE I BOUGHT MY STEROIDS.. SO PLEASE DONT EMAIL ME OR CONTACT PERIOD BECAUSE I WONT REPLY!! MY STEROIDS ARE FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY SO THERE'


I don't use anything but my own PRESCRIBED HRT MEDICATION. And I have the prescriptions and insurance info to prove it. So fuck them! The only thing that is NOT prescribed to me is the insulin. But!!! Insulin doesn't require a prescription. I just go to the pharmacy, ask for slin, they give it to me, I pay and I leave. Simple as that!
 
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